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Meirril · 11-16-2010, 09:34 PM

djshari wrote:

feldon30 wrote:
Meirril wrote:
Maroger wrote:
Meirril wrote:
Just stop right now. Its all been said before, nothing in this thread is new. What your about to say isn't new either. Just leave it alone, k?
You running this forum now? I didn;t know you were a moderator
I perfer to think of myself as a voice of reason. Honestly, have you seen anything new in this thread?
The thread keeps coming up because there is a problem.
To make a stack of 20 food and 20 drink requires 20 combines. That's about 30 minutes effort when crafted at a brisk pace. To provide a week's worth of food and drink to a raid force of, let's say, 30 players, is 30x30 or 900 minutes or 15 hours with your butt strapped to the Stove.
What do 20 combines get you in other classes?
1 1/2 full suits of mastercrafted imbued armor
2 full sets of mastercrafted imbued jewelry
10 mastercrafted imbued weapons
100 totems
2,000 arrows
Unfortunately, you have protectionist responses that quash any creative idea to solve the problem. I've never seen a group of people so dedicated to keeping a certain Tradeskill class unpleasant, ponderous, and tedious than the Tradeskill forum. If Provisioners are going to constantly fight to keep the prices the way they are, I have a bold suggestion. Delete the class and add vendor food that is equal to tradeskilled food. I'm tired of having to sift through the broker to find 20 food and 20 drink with the stat I need (AGI) in a nice neat stack of 20. And it's clear from the professional Provisioners in this thread that they are tired of making it.
Well said!! I have a 90 provisioner and if I'm looking for make money that is the last crafter I'd go with - my time is worth much more on my other tradeskillers. I don't see how more would devalue the food at all and I don't know why anyone would rely on a provi for profit anyway.

You know, I have a 90 provisioner. I make pomagranite ambrosia and satherian tails because it takes exactly 5 combines to make 2 full stacks. I've also got some lower level toons that I don't feel like using 90 food on them. You know what I do? I buy the food for them because it isn't worth the time and effort to make it. I'd rather use the ample coin that I have made doing other things because FOOD AND DRINK ARE CHEAP.

Player made food, the best food in game, is cheap on the broker. If you don't like spending 30 minuites making it, then don't! Buy it just like I do. Buy it just like your customers do. When enough provisioners do this the prices will start to climb and one day you'll think its worth saving the money by spending the time. That is how any free market is suppose to work. Honestly? The "proffessional" provisioners complain they arn't making much. I think that just means there are too many provisioners at work, because there certainly isn't any shortage of supply.

Oh, but you can't find whole stacks for sale? Ya know, seriously if you can find 2 2-hour food and drink how much would you like to be that you'll visit a broker again before you go through another 4 hours of play time? A stack of 20 5-hour food lasts me for multiple months. It isn't like I use up the time when I'm logged out. I'm also sure if you searched food for a certain level, you could find a good canidate to narrow your search down to just one name and buy 20. Sure this takes all of an additonal 1 minuite but I'm sure its worth the extra inch of effort.

30 minuites to make 100 game hours of food and drink at 2 per combine. A full time job is 40 hours. Your talking about 2 and a half weeks of play time here. A typical raid takes 2 hours, so your talking about 50 raids! Do you know how many arrows a ranger would use for 50 raids? Or how many cure noxious potions anyone would use? Hundreds! Thousands!

If you honestly think its too hard now, then why are you wasting your time doing it? Someone else is willing to waste their time doing it for you, and all its going to cost is selling a bag of fertalizer, some random bone, and a flask of water to buy a weeks worth of food and drink. I'm sure you could farm some of this "valuable loot" in that 30 minuites your not crafting.

11-16-2010, 09:34 PM	#34
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	djshari wrote: feldon30 wrote: Meirril wrote: Maroger wrote: Meirril wrote: Just stop right now. Its all been said before, nothing in this thread is new. What your about to say isn't new either. Just leave it alone, k? You running this forum now? I didn;t know you were a moderator I perfer to think of myself as a voice of reason. Honestly, have you seen anything new in this thread? The thread keeps coming up because there is a problem. To make a stack of 20 food and 20 drink requires 20 combines. That's about 30 minutes effort when crafted at a brisk pace. To provide a week's worth of food and drink to a raid force of, let's say, 30 players, is 30x30 or 900 minutes or 15 hours with your butt strapped to the Stove. What do 20 combines get you in other classes? 1 1/2 full suits of mastercrafted imbued armor 2 full sets of mastercrafted imbued jewelry 10 mastercrafted imbued weapons 100 totems 2,000 arrows Unfortunately, you have protectionist responses that quash any creative idea to solve the problem. I've never seen a group of people so dedicated to keeping a certain Tradeskill class unpleasant, ponderous, and tedious than the Tradeskill forum. If Provisioners are going to constantly fight to keep the prices the way they are, I have a bold suggestion. Delete the class and add vendor food that is equal to tradeskilled food. I'm tired of having to sift through the broker to find 20 food and 20 drink with the stat I need (AGI) in a nice neat stack of 20. And it's clear from the professional Provisioners in this thread that they are tired of making it. Well said!! I have a 90 provisioner and if I'm looking for make money that is the last crafter I'd go with - my time is worth much more on my other tradeskillers. I don't see how more would devalue the food at all and I don't know why anyone would rely on a provi for profit anyway. You know, I have a 90 provisioner. I make pomagranite ambrosia and satherian tails because it takes exactly 5 combines to make 2 full stacks. I've also got some lower level toons that I don't feel like using 90 food on them. You know what I do? I buy the food for them because it isn't worth the time and effort to make it. I'd rather use the ample coin that I have made doing other things because FOOD AND DRINK ARE CHEAP. Player made food, the best food in game, is cheap on the broker. If you don't like spending 30 minuites making it, then don't! Buy it just like I do. Buy it just like your customers do. When enough provisioners do this the prices will start to climb and one day you'll think its worth saving the money by spending the time. That is how any free market is suppose to work. Honestly? The "proffessional" provisioners complain they arn't making much. I think that just means there are too many provisioners at work, because there certainly isn't any shortage of supply. Oh, but you can't find whole stacks for sale? Ya know, seriously if you can find 2 2-hour food and drink how much would you like to be that you'll visit a broker again before you go through another 4 hours of play time? A stack of 20 5-hour food lasts me for multiple months. It isn't like I use up the time when I'm logged out. I'm also sure if you searched food for a certain level, you could find a good canidate to narrow your search down to just one name and buy 20. Sure this takes all of an additonal 1 minuite but I'm sure its worth the extra inch of effort. 30 minuites to make 100 game hours of food and drink at 2 per combine. A full time job is 40 hours. Your talking about 2 and a half weeks of play time here. A typical raid takes 2 hours, so your talking about 50 raids! Do you know how many arrows a ranger would use for 50 raids? Or how many cure noxious potions anyone would use? Hundreds! Thousands! If you honestly think its too hard now, then why are you wasting your time doing it? Someone else is willing to waste their time doing it for you, and all its going to cost is selling a bag of fertalizer, some random bone, and a flask of water to buy a weeks worth of food and drink. I'm sure you could farm some of this "valuable loot" in that 30 minuites your not crafting.