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Kigneer · 06-13-2009, 07:10 AM

TheSpin wrote:

First, I would like to suggest a major change that would add a new dynamic to the archetype. This would be the addition of a third stance which would focus on adding some kind of utility to the group so that groups have the option to use certain fighter classes in place of other 'support' classes. Players have begun to rely too heavily on bards and chanters in my opinion. Especially in raiding. With 6 fighter classes, limiting their purpose to directly tanking is simply not working.

Totally.

I like OTing, as I like cleaning mobs. To me that's fun. Rolled a Pally as at the time that was their role and their ability. Now? Raiders cry, scream, yell, fume if a MT and an OT are together in anything but specific groups. That type of mindset needs to leave the game. We play toons to have fun, we develop characters to how WE like to play. When the fun isn't there anymore and it's but stats and which raid group farms avatars "to know better" (ah, no, it's just who spent the most time scoping for them and wiping to learn the script), the game is broken.

Like playing a Pally since I can do a little of everything to plug holes in the script. MTs and healers can be wanting in some areas, and this is often where I'm must useful. But how do you convey that in chat, when there's a wrong mindset out there that if you're not a MT tank, "just roll another class"?

If you're a utility tank you have abilities to add to what's missing in a group, you add -- not take away -- from the group so they can do their job. If the MT is a melee giant, and his healer is a slow-over-time type, what happens when his health bar goes red while the healer is waiting for his big heal to come back up? I can fire off a 5k heal on the MT, and if he wipes another time, stand right over him and rez him at 100% health on spot. If a Dirge is in the group, he can give him the power my rez doesn't over him, and he's good to go. Raid guilds without Pallies shoot themselves in the foot, as they eliminate a tank that has more roles than JUST a MT.

Ego doesn't win the fight, what does is folks showing up and doing their job to the best of their abilities. It is a team effort, afterall.

06-13-2009, 07:10 AM	#15
Kigneer Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,462	TheSpin wrote: First, I would like to suggest a major change that would add a new dynamic to the archetype. This would be the addition of a third stance which would focus on adding some kind of utility to the group so that groups have the option to use certain fighter classes in place of other 'support' classes. Players have begun to rely too heavily on bards and chanters in my opinion. Especially in raiding. With 6 fighter classes, limiting their purpose to directly tanking is simply not working. Totally. I like OTing, as I like cleaning mobs. To me that's fun. Rolled a Pally as at the time that was their role and their ability. Now? Raiders cry, scream, yell, fume if a MT and an OT are together in anything but specific groups. That type of mindset needs to leave the game. We play toons to have fun, we develop characters to how WE like to play. When the fun isn't there anymore and it's but stats and which raid group farms avatars "to know better" (ah, no, it's just who spent the most time scoping for them and wiping to learn the script), the game is broken. Like playing a Pally since I can do a little of everything to plug holes in the script. MTs and healers can be wanting in some areas, and this is often where I'm must useful. But how do you convey that in chat, when there's a wrong mindset out there that if you're not a MT tank, "just roll another class"? If you're a utility tank you have abilities to add to what's missing in a group, you add -- not take away -- from the group so they can do their job. If the MT is a melee giant, and his healer is a slow-over-time type, what happens when his health bar goes red while the healer is waiting for his big heal to come back up? I can fire off a 5k heal on the MT, and if he wipes another time, stand right over him and rez him at 100% health on spot. If a Dirge is in the group, he can give him the power my rez doesn't over him, and he's good to go. Raid guilds without Pallies shoot themselves in the foot, as they eliminate a tank that has more roles than JUST a MT. Ego doesn't win the fight, what does is folks showing up and doing their job to the best of their abilities. It is a team effort, afterall. __________________ The "have nots" will always point what the "haves" have. Harmony is reached when both sides have their *needs* met.