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Zapat · 01-08-2009, 03:50 PM

Araris@Venekor wrote:

Kordran wrote:
Antryg Mistrose wrote:
I spent 2 hrs going through every spell and posted actual numbers from screenshots. Groups on testcopy in my timezone (there were 17 people total on) aren't going to happen.
Thank you for your thoughtfull fact filled response.
I think everyone appreciates the fact that you compiled this information, but from what I can tell in this thread, no one has actually played their Paladin in a group with these changes yet, and talked about the practical, real-world experience they had. That's what I'm interested in. Paladins aren't going to be tanking in a vacuum, and there were some pretty broad, sweeping changes made to a lot of classes. What I think is most important is how everything interacts together, not just the changes to the Paladin in isolation.
And frankly, if we want the Aeralik to pay attention to us at all, that is the kind information that we need to give him. In fact, he's explicitly said as much. They're looking for feedback from Paladins who have actually played with the new changes on the test server.
The Paladin's here that actually know what they're talking about don't need to test the changes to understand what has been done. Why? Simple, You don't need to be punched in the face to know it hurts.
Aeralik has already stated the reason Amends was taken away. It was done so that SK's and Zerkers could become the new AoE tanks, while Paladin's followed after Guardian's as Single Target Tanks.
Can we hold Agro in little stupid instances? YES, big freaking whoop, so can monks and bruisers.
What has been done here is detrimental to Raiding Paladins. Thats why people are upset. It's easy to keep hate, with or without amends, that part doesn't matter. It's the fact that Paladins are now Single Target Tanks in Raid Encounters without the defensive capability's of Guardians that matters.
Every Raiding paladin looked at that update and knew they were screwed. Unless Aeralik is a [Removed for Content], he knew it too. So he spewed some crap out about a "really incredible taunt" called amends and told everybody to run and test it before complaining. Test what? the fact that we can tank instances? Amazing.
If they want us to be single target tanks, they need to give us the tools to do so. Until then, we're just broken Guardian's without stoneskin effects and useless to a raid.

EXACTLY... as soon as i read up on the freakin' changes i already knew this was going to hurt us, i've played a Pally since day one, so i am experienced and know what im talking about.

and it is almost impossible for us to be single target tanks since we dont truly excel in anything besides aggro control meaning have no spike damage survivability, and on top of that we have quite a few AE's. so how does it make sense exactly to completely revamp and turn us into single-target tanks?

01-08-2009, 03:50 PM	#16
Zapat General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 23	Araris@Venekor wrote: Kordran wrote: Antryg Mistrose wrote: I spent 2 hrs going through every spell and posted actual numbers from screenshots. Groups on testcopy in my timezone (there were 17 people total on) aren't going to happen. Thank you for your thoughtfull fact filled response. I think everyone appreciates the fact that you compiled this information, but from what I can tell in this thread, no one has actually played their Paladin in a group with these changes yet, and talked about the practical, real-world experience they had. That's what I'm interested in. Paladins aren't going to be tanking in a vacuum, and there were some pretty broad, sweeping changes made to a lot of classes. What I think is most important is how everything interacts together, not just the changes to the Paladin in isolation. And frankly, if we want the Aeralik to pay attention to us at all, that is the kind information that we need to give him. In fact, he's explicitly said as much. They're looking for feedback from Paladins who have actually played with the new changes on the test server. The Paladin's here that actually know what they're talking about don't need to test the changes to understand what has been done. Why? Simple, You don't need to be punched in the face to know it hurts. Aeralik has already stated the reason Amends was taken away. It was done so that SK's and Zerkers could become the new AoE tanks, while Paladin's followed after Guardian's as Single Target Tanks. Can we hold Agro in little stupid instances? YES, big freaking whoop, so can monks and bruisers. What has been done here is detrimental to Raiding Paladins. Thats why people are upset. It's easy to keep hate, with or without amends, that part doesn't matter. It's the fact that Paladins are now Single Target Tanks in Raid Encounters without the defensive capability's of Guardians that matters. Every Raiding paladin looked at that update and knew they were screwed. Unless Aeralik is a [Removed for Content], he knew it too. So he spewed some crap out about a "really incredible taunt" called amends and told everybody to run and test it before complaining. Test what? the fact that we can tank instances? Amazing. If they want us to be single target tanks, they need to give us the tools to do so. Until then, we're just broken Guardian's without stoneskin effects and useless to a raid. EXACTLY... as soon as i read up on the freakin' changes i already knew this was going to hurt us, i've played a Pally since day one, so i am experienced and know what im talking about. and it is almost impossible for us to be single target tanks since we dont truly excel in anything besides aggro control meaning have no spike damage survivability, and on top of that we have quite a few AE's. so how does it make sense exactly to completely revamp and turn us into single-target tanks?