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Lleren · 01-07-2009, 01:31 AM

Noaani wrote:

TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:
The Bard and Chanter classes just aren't fun
I disagree 100%.
Coercers are probably the single most enjoyable class to play in the game. Charming a mob and then setting it to attack for you = absolute win. Illusionists in groups are a very fun class to play as well, though they are less enjoyable solo (they play almost like a summoner, with a weaker pet, some crowd control but less DPS until you get some ggod gear at level 80).
As to making bard chanter buffs raid wide...
Assume a raid has 4 bards currently. If all a bards group buffs were made raidwise, they would suddenly then want a dirge running all defensive buffs so the MT can stay up, but they would also want a second dirge running offensive buffs for the DPS. Troubs have a few defensive buffs as well, which although not enough to put one in the MT group for a raid, are definatly useful enough to have running if they are raid wide. Add in a second troub for offensive buffs and you will still want 4 bards.
Chanter group buffs are a different story, if they were made raid wide it would have little impact, as chanters are bought to raids for their single target buffs.
Basically, if all bard and chanter group buffs were made raidwide, a raid with 4 of each will continue to take 4 of each, and they will be better off for doing so than they are now. If they then lose a bard for whatever reason, it is the whole raid that will feel it, so guilds will be more intent on always having 2 of each bard for every raid than they are now.

Honestly The main thing I think making the buffs raid wide would do, is make it easier for the more casual raiding guilds to start out down the path to progression and lovely fabled loots. Many more Casual Guilds have a hard time recruiting the 5 bards, 4 enchanters that some others may take for granted.

01-07-2009, 01:31 AM	#55
Lleren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 678	Noaani wrote: TuinalOfTheNexus wrote: The Bard and Chanter classes just aren't fun I disagree 100%. Coercers are probably the single most enjoyable class to play in the game. Charming a mob and then setting it to attack for you = absolute win. Illusionists in groups are a very fun class to play as well, though they are less enjoyable solo (they play almost like a summoner, with a weaker pet, some crowd control but less DPS until you get some ggod gear at level 80). As to making bard chanter buffs raid wide... Assume a raid has 4 bards currently. If all a bards group buffs were made raidwise, they would suddenly then want a dirge running all defensive buffs so the MT can stay up, but they would also want a second dirge running offensive buffs for the DPS. Troubs have a few defensive buffs as well, which although not enough to put one in the MT group for a raid, are definatly useful enough to have running if they are raid wide. Add in a second troub for offensive buffs and you will still want 4 bards. Chanter group buffs are a different story, if they were made raid wide it would have little impact, as chanters are bought to raids for their single target buffs. Basically, if all bard and chanter group buffs were made raidwide, a raid with 4 of each will continue to take 4 of each, and they will be better off for doing so than they are now. If they then lose a bard for whatever reason, it is the whole raid that will feel it, so guilds will be more intent on always having 2 of each bard for every raid than they are now. Honestly The main thing I think making the buffs raid wide would do, is make it easier for the more casual raiding guilds to start out down the path to progression and lovely fabled loots. Many more Casual Guilds have a hard time recruiting the 5 bards, 4 enchanters that some others may take for granted. __________________ Llyren, Martn, and Noih hunting for cheese in all the wrong places.