Ceolus wrote:
I feel the need to defend my class and its raid spot due to the nature of the original post. He's asking how to convince his raid leader to kick the defiler out of his position because mystics are now better in MT group (and everywhere else). I'm guessing he doesn't realize that without being in MT group, a defiler can't do much else..but the replies went on.
Before ROK, changes were needed and when they came they were well-balanced (where Mystics were finally given a different, suitable, and equally important role in a raid setup: OT/scout group healing and utility and a bonus of DPS..vesatility), though the VP set balance was way askew. Illusionists do not complain that they are never in MT group instead of the coercer (honestly, who cares which group you are in if you are playing an important role?) Their buffs work better for DPS groups, and the coercer's buffs work better for the MT group and that's just how it is. I'm all for the different raid group roles that classes have, and I don't feel that each class should be suited for just any group. Saying that Mystics just have to be able to fit MT position is greedy. They fit more positions than Defiler does (and are not any less needed), so leave Defilers to their single MT group.
It is absolutely a concern that the Mystic class' is "encroaching upon our territory" because this means, well....NO RAID SPOT. I play the game to raid, and I love the Defiler class. I do not come to the Mystic forum to whine about nerfing the class. There are often useful shaman-in-general posts, but when I happen upon a thread with a title like "Convince A MT Group - Go Mystic!" of course I'm going to click it.
The defiler community certainly certainly is working to convince devs to fix these problems, and I'm definitely not blaming Mystics for the recent changes, but posts like these are just aggitating. I'd prefer that Defilers were kept best for MT, and Mystics were kept best for off-MT groups, but I'm going to have to settle for hoping that Defilers can have some sort of use/versatility.
This type of mentality is what we've been trying to correct with our changes. It's not YOUR position in mt spot it's A spot in a raid and we as mystics felt that we should be just as beneficial in that position as a defiler. What if a change came out that did a complete switch that gave defilers more benefit for being in OT/scout group and mystics a standard MT role. Would you still me mad because it's YOUR spot? It does seem that yes the original poster of the message is or was trying to make justifications that we should be the sole retainers of that position but if you've read through the posts you can see it's changed directions and evolved into a more broad conversation. Banditman has more than once explained the fact that, as of now, we still fit more in an OT or scout position in a raid than MT and is where we will still find ourselves most of the time, but it seems like defilers have a problem with us even being an option. I agree defilers were looked over in this expanion and it seems that you should be working more to try and make your class more diverse than being argumentative and trying to change our class.
A raid is a group effort on all parties and if you've contributed to your guild or raid and can accomplish what you need done why does it matter where they put you as long as your successful or had fun doing it. Just b/c mystics can equally fill the spot in MT doesn't mean that is where we belong.