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Melli · 11-27-2008, 03:55 AM

bks6721 wrote:

Melli wrote:
bks6721 wrote:
its a HEROIC dungeon ffs.. its not a raid position interview.    Why should my RAIDING ability be any consideration when it comes to running a group zone?
MYTHICAL and BASIC minimum standard....   are we still talking about HEROIC zones?   Is a myth really required? It sure shouldn't be.
Classifying all of the instances as heroic content without considering their tier isn't adequate though. That's like comparing CoA to Maiden's.   There were a lot of people that had to gear up in RoK prior to being able to do Maiden's because it was a more difficult heroic dungeons. Most T7 raiders were doing Maiden's right away.
This early in the expansion, mostly raiders are clearing the top tier instances and that's to be expected. They have better gear and are use to dealing with scripted encounters. Expecting to get a tier 3 group while still wearing pieces of MC gear is unrealistic unless you are really, really good at your class and everyone knows it.
Progression is about gearing up on the easier content in order to do the harder content. You can't simply say "It's heroic so I should be able to do it" when it is tiered, progressive content. Learn which instances are the easier ones and look for groups doing those.
it has been suggested that I start RoK teir 1 - 3 raiding to do TSO heroics.   When has raiding ever been a stepping stone to doing the same teir heroic dungeons. It hasn't.   My players think it is. It isn't.   I can do the zones (lower TSO heroics) in my current gear.   Too many people think I'm undergeared for it. I'm not.   Being fully geared should be a BONUS not a minimum requirement.   You don't need VP gear for PR do you? Then I shouldn't need PR gear for TSO heroics.
These heroic dungeons are basically RoK's version of T1-3 raiding.    Really shouldn't raid progression be done in raid zones? My KoS heroic gear should be enough to progress into TSO heroics.   Why am I being told I need to raid some RoK if I want to progress into TSO heroics?   Surely the game doesn't require it, but the playerbase is.

Anyone that says you need raid gear for T1 or T2 TSO instances is being a [Removed for Content], plain and simple. And I still find it very hard to believe that every group is telling you this. T1 and T2 instances are easy - I've done them in some truly pathetic pugs (top tier dps classes parsing under 1K for goodness sake) with tanks that aren't even max level.

I would not want to do a T3 instance with the average PUG if the ones I've been unlucky to join up with are any indication of the average player - it has less to do with gear than with skill though. The average player NEEDS to gear up in the easier instances because they don't have the skills. I'm not saying non-raiders do not have the skill, just that having the gear makes an average player a little bit better than average.

It's called progression - IF you are raid geared, your progression takes place in raid zones, and the heroic content is easy from the start. If you are not a raider, your progression is going to take place in the heroic zones. Try finding groups for the easier instances and stop expected that you can do all the content without having to progress. I'm not whining 'cause my raid can't clear the hardest raid zone a week after release FFS.

11-27-2008, 03:55 AM	#64
Melli Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 123	bks6721 wrote: Melli wrote: bks6721 wrote: its a HEROIC dungeon ffs.. its not a raid position interview. Why should my RAIDING ability be any consideration when it comes to running a group zone? MYTHICAL and BASIC minimum standard.... are we still talking about HEROIC zones? Is a myth really required? It sure shouldn't be. Classifying all of the instances as heroic content without considering their tier isn't adequate though. That's like comparing CoA to Maiden's. There were a lot of people that had to gear up in RoK prior to being able to do Maiden's because it was a more difficult heroic dungeons. Most T7 raiders were doing Maiden's right away. This early in the expansion, mostly raiders are clearing the top tier instances and that's to be expected. They have better gear and are use to dealing with scripted encounters. Expecting to get a tier 3 group while still wearing pieces of MC gear is unrealistic unless you are really, really good at your class and everyone knows it. Progression is about gearing up on the easier content in order to do the harder content. You can't simply say "It's heroic so I should be able to do it" when it is tiered, progressive content. Learn which instances are the easier ones and look for groups doing those. it has been suggested that I start RoK teir 1 - 3 raiding to do TSO heroics. When has raiding ever been a stepping stone to doing the same teir heroic dungeons. It hasn't. My players think it is. It isn't. I can do the zones (lower TSO heroics) in my current gear. Too many people think I'm undergeared for it. I'm not. Being fully geared should be a BONUS not a minimum requirement. You don't need VP gear for PR do you? Then I shouldn't need PR gear for TSO heroics. These heroic dungeons are basically RoK's version of T1-3 raiding. Really shouldn't raid progression be done in raid zones? My KoS heroic gear should be enough to progress into TSO heroics. Why am I being told I need to raid some RoK if I want to progress into TSO heroics? Surely the game doesn't require it, but the playerbase is. Anyone that says you need raid gear for T1 or T2 TSO instances is being a [Removed for Content], plain and simple. And I still find it very hard to believe that every group is telling you this. T1 and T2 instances are easy - I've done them in some truly pathetic pugs (top tier dps classes parsing under 1K for goodness sake) with tanks that aren't even max level. I would not want to do a T3 instance with the average PUG if the ones I've been unlucky to join up with are any indication of the average player - it has less to do with gear than with skill though. The average player NEEDS to gear up in the easier instances because they don't have the skills. I'm not saying non-raiders do not have the skill, just that having the gear makes an average player a little bit better than average. It's called progression - IF you are raid geared, your progression takes place in raid zones, and the heroic content is easy from the start. If you are not a raider, your progression is going to take place in the heroic zones. Try finding groups for the easier instances and stop expected that you can do all the content without having to progress. I'm not whining 'cause my raid can't clear the hardest raid zone a week after release FFS.