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Gareorn · 09-04-2007, 11:53 AM

EQ2Magroo wrote:

Yarginista wrote:
Yeah, he didn't quite explain the spread thing right. the was he explained it holds true in 95% of cases, just not in the example he gave. Really you should be looking at top damage, which in almost all cases correlates to spread.For example 2 bows with the exact same dmg rating (average dmg), but different spreads:100-300 (3:1 standard spread)50-350 (7:1 spread)Now these numbers are 100% made up, but as you can see, even though they both average 200, the 7:1 will actually hit harder with crits, because every crit will be a minimum of 351, as opposed to 301 on the top bow. So a hit of 50 that crits will get +301 to it's dmg (a whopping 7x what it would have been), while the other bow's minimum of 100 would get +201 to it's damage (only 3x what it would have been). When you are down ranged crit AA's and critting say 1/3 of your attacks you can see how that would add up.
This is where I think people are making a mistake.The second bow does higher average crits for sure, but this is a function of it having a higher max damage and nothing to do with damage spread.If you change the example to:Bow A - 200 - 600 (3:1)Bow B - 100 - 600 (6:1)With this, I don't see that there is any difference to crits. Bow B is going to benefit from any crit rolls below 200 being upgraded to 200. Bow A will not see this benefit, but as it is never going to roll below 200 in the first place, it doesn't matter - they will be identical on crits.However, on non-crit rolls, Bow A is going to win with an average hit of 400 compared to 350 for Bow B.

Using the crit formula, both bows have a max crit of 780. Any hit below 462 that crits will hit for 601 (461*1.3=600).

Bow "A" hits below 462 66% of the time, which means 34% of the crits will be greater than 601. Bow "B" hits below 462 72% of the time, which means that 28% of the crits will be more than 601.

The more a person crits, the more attractive bow "B" looks because the more you crit, the less you'll be hitting at the bow's lower end of the damage range. For those that don't crit much, bow "A" will be better because of the higher average damage.

It's not as simple as picking the bow with the highest DR or the bow with the highest damage srpead. Both factors have to be taken in consideration as well as personal stats, and group/raid set up.

09-04-2007, 11:53 AM	#22
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	EQ2Magroo wrote: Yarginista wrote: Yeah, he didn't quite explain the spread thing right. the was he explained it holds true in 95% of cases, just not in the example he gave. Really you should be looking at top damage, which in almost all cases correlates to spread.For example 2 bows with the exact same dmg rating (average dmg), but different spreads:100-300 (3:1 standard spread)50-350 (7:1 spread)Now these numbers are 100% made up, but as you can see, even though they both average 200, the 7:1 will actually hit harder with crits, because every crit will be a minimum of 351, as opposed to 301 on the top bow. So a hit of 50 that crits will get +301 to it's dmg (a whopping 7x what it would have been), while the other bow's minimum of 100 would get +201 to it's damage (only 3x what it would have been). When you are down ranged crit AA's and critting say 1/3 of your attacks you can see how that would add up. This is where I think people are making a mistake.The second bow does higher average crits for sure, but this is a function of it having a higher max damage and nothing to do with damage spread.If you change the example to:Bow A - 200 - 600 (3:1)Bow B - 100 - 600 (6:1)With this, I don't see that there is any difference to crits. Bow B is going to benefit from any crit rolls below 200 being upgraded to 200. Bow A will not see this benefit, but as it is never going to roll below 200 in the first place, it doesn't matter - they will be identical on crits.However, on non-crit rolls, Bow A is going to win with an average hit of 400 compared to 350 for Bow B. Using the crit formula, both bows have a max crit of 780. Any hit below 462 that crits will hit for 601 (461*1.3=600). Bow "A" hits below 462 66% of the time, which means 34% of the crits will be greater than 601. Bow "B" hits below 462 72% of the time, which means that 28% of the crits will be more than 601. The more a person crits, the more attractive bow "B" looks because the more you crit, the less you'll be hitting at the bow's lower end of the damage range. For those that don't crit much, bow "A" will be better because of the higher average damage. It's not as simple as picking the bow with the highest DR or the bow with the highest damage srpead. Both factors have to be taken in consideration as well as personal stats, and group/raid set up. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.