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missing_peace · 08-09-2007, 04:36 PM

Novusod wrote:

I have a level 70 troubie and I still think the class rocks. The only reason a fury can out dps me is because the parse'ers are inaccurate. Every time Aria or PotM procs I don't get credit on the parse. Maybe if bards actually got credit for their scores of proc buffs and show up on the parse I would top it every raid. Players would drool over how powerfull troubies are as they should be doing now. I don't need a parse to tell me I am good and I already know it.

The parsers are not innacurate at all. The damage done by the fury is theirs and theirs alone. It's no different than if another class gives a proc effect to you and you take credit. If the fury wasn't there then you do not magically compensate for the missing procs. It's not your damage, it is theirs.

But let's look into this a bit further.

Bards do make their groupmates stronger, but so do furies and berserkers and buisers and necromancers and defilers and on and on and on. Almost every class in this game has group level buffs. Bards, in general, have a larger selection of buffs to choose from, but they have the exact same concentration limit as all other classes.

A bard should be just as powerful solo (self buffed) as any of the previously listed classes. However, they are NOT. When you group, all classes become more powerful since they all share their respective abilities. But in a group a bard is left even further behind due to their poor solo performance.

So, what can be done about this issue?

I submit that the damage potential and defensive abilties for bards is too low. In theory, their buffs should be able to compensate for these weaknesses, just as other classes use their own buffs to make up for their weaknesses. However, bard buffs, due to their group oriented nature, have been weakened and watered down in order to prevent problems with 'overpowered' groups. Because of this, the buffs no longer make up for the weaknesses of the bard classes. For the troubadour, utility such as charm and mesmerize have been substatially reduced. This leaves little avenue for the class to compensate for the numerous shortcomings still facing it. The 'base' levels for the classes must be raised to correct for the continuous erroding of utility from the top end.

08-09-2007, 04:36 PM	#725
missing_peace Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	Novusod wrote: I have a level 70 troubie and I still think the class rocks. The only reason a fury can out dps me is because the parse'ers are inaccurate. Every time Aria or PotM procs I don't get credit on the parse. Maybe if bards actually got credit for their scores of proc buffs and show up on the parse I would top it every raid. Players would drool over how powerfull troubies are as they should be doing now. I don't need a parse to tell me I am good and I already know it. The parsers are not innacurate at all. The damage done by the fury is theirs and theirs alone. It's no different than if another class gives a proc effect to you and you take credit. If the fury wasn't there then you do not magically compensate for the missing procs. It's not your damage, it is theirs. But let's look into this a bit further. Bards do make their groupmates stronger, but so do furies and berserkers and buisers and necromancers and defilers and on and on and on. Almost every class in this game has group level buffs. Bards, in general, have a larger selection of buffs to choose from, but they have the exact same concentration limit as all other classes. A bard should be just as powerful solo (self buffed) as any of the previously listed classes. However, they are NOT. When you group, all classes become more powerful since they all share their respective abilities. But in a group a bard is left even further behind due to their poor solo performance. So, what can be done about this issue? I submit that the damage potential and defensive abilties for bards is too low. In theory, their buffs should be able to compensate for these weaknesses, just as other classes use their own buffs to make up for their weaknesses. However, bard buffs, due to their group oriented nature, have been weakened and watered down in order to prevent problems with 'overpowered' groups. Because of this, the buffs no longer make up for the weaknesses of the bard classes. For the troubadour, utility such as charm and mesmerize have been substatially reduced. This leaves little avenue for the class to compensate for the numerous shortcomings still facing it. The 'base' levels for the classes must be raised to correct for the continuous erroding of utility from the top end.