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Rijacki · 05-11-2007, 11:13 AM

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:
Maroger wrote:
Rijacki wrote:
Maroger wrote:
Lotus wrote:
Arasai art stuff. -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources. SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices. Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula. The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.
It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???
I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.
Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle
The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage". Your racism is extremely tiresome. If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting? I odubt it. You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't. It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts. You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery. You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).
Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours. I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.
Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.
Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.
I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!
Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!
I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.
Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.
BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race.
As to this comment..
"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"
So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.
pssst I'm a she But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link. It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA. It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry). I never said I was a perfect speller. I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras. Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*). The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them. I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault.
Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn. Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw.
They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art. The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective.
Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you.
They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !!

You don't know diddly about me nor do you know much about the art of that time if you think that was how all art was in that time. The tall slender bodies of not only the nobles but the commononers/serfs (other pictures) was a characteristic of those artists who painted most of that book. I was not saying they look identical to SOGA just that they share traits similar. SOGA has skinny skinny bodies which are taller than the other models (or just the ubah skinniness makes them that way) in the same way these figures are tall, slender, and with rounded faces. In Le Tres Riches Houres, if you look at the calendar pages done by the Frere Limbourgh vs the ones finished by Columbine, the ones by Columbine more closely resemble the art of most of the age, or even later, with shorter rounded bodies. The art done by Frere Limbourgh has been likened to ethereal not a sign of who is or isn't "important". In your analysis, the peasant warming her feet on a fire in February would be "good" and important. Nope, just showing the season in -their- style. And... the idea they didn't know anything about perspective is 100% bovine excreta. There is perspective in art by the mid 1400s, especially in illumination (the art work in books) where it didn't need to be as stylised and rigid as the artwork in churches. The picture I linked is from a time of transisition in a lot of things.

05-11-2007, 11:13 AM	#54
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	Maroger wrote: Rijacki wrote: Maroger wrote: Rijacki wrote: Maroger wrote: Lotus wrote: Arasai art stuff. -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources. SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices. Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula. The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE??? I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage". Your racism is extremely tiresome. If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting? I odubt it. You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't. It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts. You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery. You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg). Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours. I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies. I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!! Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !! I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime. Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well. BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race. As to this comment.. "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???" So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites. pssst I'm a she But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link. It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA. It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry). I never said I was a perfect speller. I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit laugh (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras. Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs rolls her eyes). The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them. I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there sniffle, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault. Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn. Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw. They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art. The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective. Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you. They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !! You don't know diddly about me nor do you know much about the art of that time if you think that was how all art was in that time. The tall slender bodies of not only the nobles but the commononers/serfs (other pictures) was a characteristic of those artists who painted most of that book. I was not saying they look identical to SOGA just that they share traits similar. SOGA has skinny skinny bodies which are taller than the other models (or just the ubah skinniness makes them that way) in the same way these figures are tall, slender, and with rounded faces. In Le Tres Riches Houres, if you look at the calendar pages done by the Frere Limbourgh vs the ones finished by Columbine, the ones by Columbine more closely resemble the art of most of the age, or even later, with shorter rounded bodies. The art done by Frere Limbourgh has been likened to ethereal not a sign of who is or isn't "important". In your analysis, the peasant warming her feet on a fire in February would be "good" and important. Nope, just showing the season in -their- style. And... the idea they didn't know anything about perspective is 100% bovine excreta. There is perspective in art by the mid 1400s, especially in illumination (the art work in books) where it didn't need to be as stylised and rigid as the artwork in churches. The picture I linked is from a time of transisition in a lot of things. __________________