[da5idblacksun]

Kendricke wrote:

da5idblacksun wrote:

Kendricke wrote:

BoughtOnEbay wrote:

Our DPS is the bottom of the barrel in the game as it should be if we were really such great healers no one can live without us, but that's not the case.  Our other spells are ok and in some cases very nice abilities but still others out do us with the abilities they have.  As far as groups I can play the whole night with one spell and no one is the wiser.

Couldn't disagree more.  Start up a Mystic or even a Troubadour if you want to know what truly abyssmal DPS feels like. 

With my Guk Templar (moderately raid geared, mostly mastered, level 70 with 83 achievements mostly raid specced), I'm kicking out 5-600 DPS in groups and soloing with DPS spiking to 900 or more.  On raids, I'm still hitting number 2 on the heal parse while kicking out 3-400 DPS.  My Test Templar (horribly geared, Adept I's, level 70 with 35 achievements specced for damage) is still putting out around 500-700 DPS on Test, and has little issue soloing heroics (obviously the downtime is a tad lower, but again, he's intentionally geared about as badly as I can get him).   

A few of those "Newbies" from the experiment I attempted for a few months are still around.  One's in his 50's now.  He's fully damage specced, has no problem solo healing groups, and spent last night soloing heroics and named in Living Tombs to sell on the broker.  At level 56, he's got 47 points built around solo DPS and he's putting out 400+ DPS already.  I know level 70's complaining they can't put out 400 DPS. 

It's not just the class or gear here.  Skill and knowledge matter:  what allows a moderately quest/crafter geared level 56 to outdamage lightly raid geared level 70's can only really be explained in that way.  The class has a great deal of power for those willing and able to explore it a bit. 

So you need to be level 70 with many AA's and good gear before the class is fun?  Because without all that you don't do jack DPS and still you don't have any utility even with all that.  No safefall, no evac, no ports, no run buff, no invis, no FD, etc. In my mind the extra utility spells and built in DPS (decent without an uber build) would just be more fun.  From here, a Fury just looks like its a lot more fun.  Had I known two years ago what I know today, my main would be a Fury.  Healing ability is the same but you get so much more.  Even just the ports is a huge thing. Yes I could re-roll, but my main has done over 20 HQs, has a house full of no-trade goodies, has titles, status and I'm known by this name in the game. Man I wish I could get a one time subclass and race respec as a vetern reward since so much has changed. In addition to picking a Templar, I chose to be a Dwarf.  I also have the worst visual combination in the game.  The armor art for a Dwarf is the worst and specifically the plate armor (chain looks okay) is just terrible.  The Hoolah hat and Vaults hat for Templar suck as well in appearance.  I should be looking good now and easily recognizable as a high level character but I don't. I know it looks like I'm complaining and I guess I am but I just feel kind of robbed with how much time I've put into this character. /end rant

Where did I say that?  You don't have to be 70.  I guess you missed the level 56 in there, too, right?  Mosey on over to the "The Great Templar Newbie Experiment" while you're at it.  You certainly do not need to be 70 with "many achievements" to have fun with the class. 

There's a level 56 I mentioned who is putting out 400+ DPS.  I got ahold of him after he came back to the game as a level 42 with 0 achievements.  I got him turned around on what to do and in what order, and now he's soloing named and heroics. 

It's not just about DPS, it's about all the other lack of utility.   Also, are you sacrificing healing ability in order to moderate DPS?  If you want to be a DPS class, why work so hard and still get mediocre DPS?  We should primarily be a healing class, but my dissapointment is that natively we don't really do anything else.  Look my main is a Templar and will always be and I've learned to live with it.  My point is that it feels like Templars are not balanced well with the other healer classes. I appreciate your work on the DPS stuff and your enthusiasm for the class.