Each person has an opinion on which looks better/worse. The current high elf above looks pretty and happy, a delicate flower... the SOGA one looks bedraggled and extremely displeased with something, definately not anything pretty or flower-like. The player might have a character concept that is blithe and happy about life. Does the perpetual scowl convey that? (the slider for "upturn/downturn" for mouth in current does allow for a more scowly disgruntled look, so you could mimic the SOGA one for that) But... those who like the SOGA models can have them but they should realise they might not be seeing the character as the player intends. Those who like the current models will also have to realise they might not be seeing a character as the player intends. Some may want the perpetually scowly look (to me, the most "upturned" in SOGA you can get looks more like constipated than content), some may want the different types of hairstyles or the way one "blends" and the other doesn't (and those really can make 2 different and totally valid hair "statements"). Some may want the body colour range of one set or the other. Some may want the extended ears of SOGA. Some might like the super skinny waif look of SOGA (some might even wish for a way to let a character put on a few pounds). Some might want the hooked or bulbous or plain or whatever nose of whichever set. Some might like the forehead ridges and horns of the ogre. Some might like.... I will say it again, I would -much- rather the SOGA features added as -features- to the current set allowing for a much wider range of possible customisations which would quite likely statisfy everyone. The one thing I do find disgusting in these threads are those who deride and flame the personal preferences of others. Never once have I told someone they had to think what I find better or worse is better or worse, jsut that they -are- different. The one thing about the majority of the pro-SOGA people who have been posting is that they bash anyone who is saying the models are -different- if someone prefers the current over the SOGA. I don't care if you like the SOGA. I don't care that you can enable SOGA and I don't have to. Those are completely immaterial and moot. The point of the OP and others is that the SOGA and the current ARE different (and you can't get some looks in one which you can get in the other... in BOTH directions). There are some people who don't care about the SOGA vs current better or worse, just that their character will end up looking -different- to some people and that difference is not what they want. If your own view was all that mattered, why do the avatars show up in game differently except your own character to your own client? Why are there so many different customisation choices and why do people want more? Why does it matter what the armor and clothing and other gear look like? It's only the stats that really matter, right? Are the SOGA and current different? yes. Is it possible to recreate every current model "look" in SOGA? no. Is it possible to recreate every SOGA "look" in current? no. Are there characters, not just on the roleplay servers or with the roleplayers, which the player(s) identify and identify with based on their avatar appearance? yes. When SOGA is implemented, will some see characters one way but others see them another? yes. Could that affect how some interact with those characters? possibly, if they look beyond the stats. Oh... and someone once asked who ever notices avatars... I do. I have said to someone who looks really nice that they do. I have also been told that myself. In EQ1, I modified my character's hair colour at one point (made it less orangy-red and more deep auburn red.. wood elf) and the difference in how people acted toward me was remarkable, even wearing the same gear. She was, to most, more "pretty" even though some didn't come right out and say it. Oh... and on the subject of dramtic differences between SOGA and non-SOGA for avatars... my half-elf boy with his streaky "skunky" hair would be impossible. Not only would his piercings be gone (and the SOGA scars are so faint you can barely see them anyway), he would lose a the hair "statement" (which, yes, is very intentional).