pillbub wrote:
It wouldnt be balance if Monks tanked uber Raid stuff. That is basically the only thing Guardian has going for it is Raids. Any fighter can tank in a EXP group so why pick a guardian? People've explained why but you wont freaking Listen.
If Monks kept their skills AND tanked raid stuff then guardians get nothing.
The only reason youre posting your Monks should MT crap here and not in the Monk forum is because 90% of monks disagreed with you in Your 'My Fellow Monks' thread. You dont get dps utilities AND get to tank. You tried to sell your garbage to your own class and they rejected you BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. They dont want their classes DPS and utilites nurfed just so they can tank raid stuff. Thats what would have to Happen But You Dont Hear That .... Do You
YOUR THREAD --> http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=10541
Of course you dont.
You only hear Moorguards statement the one he made 3 years ago.., Right?
The same reason people pick guardians all day long, everyday. The fact that all other mobs besides raid mobs are able to be tanked by any fighter proves that if raids were truly balanced that it wouldn't hurt anyone. Anyone that is, except for guardians who just want to be the best.
Sorry the only "best" guardians are going to get is most defensive, not exclusive rights to raid content.
IF and only IF guardians weren't hitting 50 daily in pick up xp grind groups then would this made up excuse even be worth listening to. The fact remains that peoples perception is that guardians are the best overall tank so that goes a long way in helping them get groups, and since 99.9% of the game can be tanked by all fighters, making raids balanced won't hurt any classes; it will just finish balancing the archtype.
Guardians don't need anything. Sure we can tank other stuff BUT SO CAN GUARDIANS. We get DPS, they get defense. That doesn't mean they get to be the only ones who can tank raid content. They can tank it better, that's called having an advantage, but not exclusively, that's not balanced.
Please don't exagerrate. A little more than half wanted to keep their high DPS and about 45% agreed with me. That is of those monks who responded. Besides we all know the mentality of EQ1 monks is DPS, so that's a hard thing for people coming from that game to let go.
So quit saying "90%" because its not even close to those numbers.
Sure we get DPS, utilities and to tank. We do it right now. We have the highest DPS of the FIGHTER tree, not the game. Besides in a lot of current scenarios the BERSERKER class is the highest DPS, even out damaging monks/bruisers. So QUIT WHINING about DPS. Currently the archtypes are still being balanced in regards to damage and in some scenarios with certain buffs/classes we can outdamage mages/scouts. This will be adjusted. Our DPS is meant to make up for a lack of HP/mitigation/defense, not tanking prowess. While the guardian may be the "best" tank its only a slight advantage, as is our DPS over theirs, not the total lack of tanking ability. The rest of the game is balanced like this, raids should be also.
Again; quit with the outright lies. Its not "garbage" its how our class is designed. My "class" doesn't disagree with me either. Its about 50/50 of the players that posted. Not every guardian thinks they should be the only ones to tank raids, and not every guardian likes to MT. I've seen posts in the guardian forums about guardian tactics for buffing the other fighters (such as monks) for being MT.
For one: our DPS will be lowered somewhat or they will raise scouts/mages. We shouldn't be competing with those two classes for DPS spots. Whether or not monks want their DPS lowered, it will be. So that is a moot point. So is saying that we can't tank raid stuff because of our DPS/utilities.
1) All fighter classes get utlity/offtank spells (even guardians).
2) The whole entire rest of the game from 1 to 50 excluding raids is tankable efficiently by any fighter class in most group scenarios. Although the guardian holds a slight defensive advantage, all content from 1 to 50 can be tanked by monks and every other fighter. It would be continued balance to have raids be the same. Its NOT balanced to have one subclass be the only adequate raid MT. Sorry you can't see that.
Three years ago? Please link the quote you are talking about, as all of mine are from 11-9 or later, which coincidentally would be 4 months old or newer.
Message Edited by Gage-Mikel on 03-05-2005 11:25 PM