HellRaiserXX wrote:Pre LU20: I am the top assassin in my guild and we have one main ranger, we both had almost identical equipment at the time. My DPS, using all of my big hits, everything I could throw in there 800-900DPS, thats at 450STR grp buffed on a non joust mob. Ranger 1200+ using all his main attacks. Parse showed 45-50% from proc dmg, mine was like 15-20% cant remember.
Post LU20: Both lvl 65, similar equipment. I did about 900-1k, ranger 700-800. Proc rates were about 25% and 20%. (Offensive stance is proccing more I have noticed)
As you can see the amount of DPS lost by the ranger is close to 40%, which is good IMO because that is almost all proc damage. In raid situations I am outperforming our ranger 80-90% of the time, when before it was never, the times I did he was just on auto-attack afk lol.
I don't think doing comparisons in a grp situation is worthwhile because stuff dies so fast anyway that it is hard to get accurate parses. Sometimes the rangers out DPS me, sometimes I out DPS them, sometimes the monk beats us all. If I drop a Deathly Strike or FB in there my DPS jumps by 200 easily. You have to do the comparisons in a raid and to date, it will probably be different for each test, in our raids I am the top melee DPS hands down. Our ranger quit playing for awhile cause he couldn't stand sucking like he did.
Their combat abilities arent being increased a lot, but some and it will make up that 200DPS gap between us I think. As far as soloing goes, I solo fine. I can take yellow ^ up to 3 lvls ahead of me, but its hard. The root doesn't break on the first hit, just more often. I have had it hold long enough to do 2 Assailing Blasts, think thats a 5sec recast. I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over a 4sec root. Even with that Rangers are going to have a difficult time soloing. All you assassins who [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about solo ability must not be doing it right cause I do it fine, but it is slow cause my regen time is so long.
pre LU20, I cannot see how any Ranger would complain about their ability to solo. Solo mobs in DoF were so easy, I could take em to half health with my bow before they even were able to hit me. In open air zones I would solo ^^^ mobs like nothing. At lvl 57 I would solo the Greater Sabertooths in PoF. How you say? Bow kiting. After the first proc nerf it took longer and used more arrows, but was still easy. Now its a waste of time to bow kite. People [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about not being able to solo heroic stuff, well hate to break it to ya but we aren't supposed to be able to solo heroic stuff. I know certain classes still can and it really isn't fair, but so what. If your complaining about not being able to solo heroics be quiet, you aren't supposed to anyway. If your complaining about not being able to solo solo stuff be quiet cause you obviously don't know how to play an assassin effectively. The only mobs I have the most trouble soloing are ^ assassin mobs because they get to use my abilities and ones I can't use in a straight-up fight, I usually win, but it is a lot closer.
I am glad Rangers are getting some help now, I like competition. Before LU20 I was no competition for them, now they aren't any for me. I would love if every fight we had to work really hard to out perform the other and make each other play the best we can. Rangers will probably do more DPS than us anyway even if we are balanced because of the AE issue, which will never change. I was hoping one of our AAs would allow us to avoid 20% of AE dmg or something, but wishful thinking all the way. Having to joust will cut down on our DPS there is not much we can do about it while a Ranger will just be able to sit back and fire away. I have gotten good at timing AEs now so when it goes off I run in hit Concealment and let loose for 15sec then back off and drop some bow damage in there.
Everyone says that you have to be good to play an Assassin because they require a lot more technique than most other classes. Until you can perfect your technique you will suck and it is only because of your lack of ability and not because SOE hates us. Yes we don't get a lot of attention from the Devs, but I personally don't think I am at all weak or underpowered, and I know I am [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good at what I do. So stop whining about other classes and work on bettering your own class. You will find that some simple changes to the order in which you do your CAs, being able to time AEs, etc can add upwards of 200-300 to your DPS. I know it is true because I was doing 400-500 and then I changed some things and jumped up to 700-800, also got some new equipment which helps.
Message Edited by HellRaiserXX on 03-08-200610:24 AM
FYI Most assassins are not [Removed for Content] because they can not DPS well. Pre LU 20 I can usually get with in 100DPS of rangers on raid. And if one of my big attacks are up I can usually out DPS them. Rather it is SOE attitude toward our class.Everytime SOE decided to nerf something, we get hit one way or another. And everytime they give us a boost, they will instantly nerf us somewhere else. It is just silly.As for my earlier statement. Our proc rate + Poison were also nerfed too, altho not as bad as Rangers.But instead of compensating both predator classes, we got no mention again.And for the AA Stun- It is a bow line of AA, so I doubt a lot of assassin will be taking it. Especially if you are a raid assassin.That 5 points are better spend on Proc Crit and Melee Crit.