Charm sucked when we first got it and it still sucks now... honestly why do you even bother about it ? Mez also blows, except when you've got a ton of encounters on you and you really need to mez. You aren't gonna be dropping buffs when tanks can stand there and hardly notice it, and lets face it even lvl 50 grp encounters are total trash to a decent tank. When your healer falls asleep and you keep clearing sol eye giants for 2 hours b4 he wakes up and apologises, you really start6 to wonder... Fiddler Bridgeburner Rat Bard of Veni Vidi Vici Najena