"For such a useless class with nothing to bring to a raid thats a pretty long list, im not saying that the Enchanter is perfect far from it, i would personally like to see large increases to our raid useable buffs and debuffs and maybe a few new types of buffs/debuffs with the expense of some of our single group spell lines like our power drains since that is rather useless."^We are by no means useless. But we are pretty boring to play on raids. I think thats the issue. I think sony could fix a lot by giving us a direct dmg cast spell line that has the restriction "ONLY Effects Epic Targets". Then we could at least do a bit of dmg on raids since everything else we have doesnt work. That is the best idea i've come up with because you are absolutely right that if you could stifle/stun/mez anything on raids they would trivialize quickly.
"Your doing something seriously wrong then, my mezz works fine on all of the mobs in HoF and also my stuns, cleared the entire zone with no deaths simply because we had CC."^ I dont know what either of you are talking about because you can mez/stun/charm the trash and cant do much to some of the nameds. Your both half right and half wrong.
"It is those players that will not learn how to play a class that complain the loudest"^good post. too true.
"If you want a real challenge, then become a master at playing an Enchanter class."^I totally agree but I also think mastering the main tank takes a good amount of skill. I have 60+ zerk alt that is real fun to play. Either way though, I'm in complete control of my group
Yes, control issues...
"Seriously those mobs you cant mez/stun/stiffle can be charmed, and they are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]en dps monsters when they are charmed. Can finish the instance in 1hr np with one. Only problem is if it breaks, I live around 50% of the time, with a healer that knows what is what. People beg me to come clear halls cause its so quick with me around. And if you dont like charming the bigger mobs, charm a destroyer they work as good and you live 90% of the time."^Risk/Reward. I do it too though but its definitely russian roulette to charm the cents. The destroyers though are uber pets your right i get them as i can. But i love to charm a cent and see it hit over 10K.
"It would be cool if they gave rogues or assassin types a skill "distraction" that had a 3-5 min refresh that lasted 10 sec.. that would allow all spells currently not useable on epics to be casted"^That is a good idea but it needs limitations to avoid from chaining. I'd say like 5minute recast and a 2.5minute effect that stayed on mob to prevent it from being recasted. and like a 10 second length or so. that would be a really cool change.
Regards to mezable mobs being charmable as well. Most of the time thats untrue especially in epic zones. and some of the time its not true outside of them. example: named mobs, sha'irs, some PHs...
IMO. raids and coercers could be a little/a lot more friendly. Charmable mobs,window for stuns/stifles, epic only nukes/dots. There is a handful of examples just in this thread. I would hope sony could get around to implementing one of them. As far as solo and group goes coercers are the kings. I will kill anything and then some that no other class can do. My opinion having a level 70 coercer, a level 65zerk, and a handful of other lower chars. The coercer is the hardest to master by far, and the most useful. As far as the thread title is concerned, i agree that most are bad players because they dont understand the class in a group situation. i have a lvl 65 tank i play and when an enchanter casts mez i break it on purpose, unless its that very very rare occasion when its useful. most of the ones i see try to cut down on the group dps when they should be there trying to increase it.
When i play my zerk i almost never group with an enchanter because when i do i am usually dissapointed with what they offer because frankly, most players out there as enchanters suck. People should cry/rant less and learn the class better. knowing what their full potential is, i tell people my coercer is overpowered. another thread refered to them as gods. i like that title and sometimes i feel like one. then i raid and am back to bored. the enchanter takes thought, skill, experimentation, timing, creativity, and alertness, and most people cant keep all those things at max. I consider myself a true gamer, thus, whatever class i do roll with i roll it strong. Many people who play eq are there for the social time. I on the other hand, kill dragons for free. Final Point, Coercer > *.