[KaynanEmberwood]

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encanta wrote:

Now? we have lost the speed buff and you have lost the speed penalty, the group one lasts the same time as our single, so the group is quite simply better.

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Not that this helps any, but our group invis used to last 15 minutes without any speed penalty prior to LU13.

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encanta wrote:

Then what is annoying about this change? The best way I can express this is to ask illusionists to show me the green grass on my side of the fence.

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I don't know, as I don't play a coercer and I don't know all of your spells (do you still get group haste?).  I do know that this is the exact mentality that in the past has been used to get each other nerfed and it really needs to stop.