rtwitty wrote:
Ilu your set up definitely is going to favor the agi line because you chose not to go for catalyst.
Without catalyst you have a 13 pct chance on average to do about 2/3 more damage through crits or approximately 10 pct more damage total as opposed to 14 pct more with agi.
Add catalyst to the mix though and assuming you can fire about 12 spells a minute you can add another approx 8 pct chance for an extra 2/3 damage or about 5 pct more damage. Add freehand to this cast (yes they do stack) and now you got even more for your money.
Add the two together and on on average str should cause a little more damage than agi.
However if you have 8 points in catalyst somethings gotta give in my case it was freehand at 24 instead of 30 so a slight give back and also a giveback in that catalyst has a 1 second cast.
I've respeced to try your choice and dont see a lot of difference in total damage.
However i'm going back to the strength line because it is more power efficient, the guaranteed crits are much more effective when I'm soloing and dang it I miss the major satisfaction of seeing those big orange numbers float up.
Duufuss lvl70 pally
Duffus lvl70 wiz
Everfrost
as i've said if you take my build and you have not had spell haste that much it takes some time to re-learn your spell chains and what to cast and when. It took me a week after respeccing back to get back to the dps i was doing when I was trying out the str line. Catalyst is only good for 1 crit on one spell every 1 minute. Doesn't seem worth it at all to me when I could pump those 8 points into something more useful.
I got permission from the guild I usually raid with to post the parse results from today's lyceum run.
I have to pre-face this with me being the most dps buffed i have ever been. The troubador had 7.2% allegro (spell haste) 7.5% crit chance aa's, along with m1 arias, I had synergism m1 on me, and the coercer 23% de-agro m1, and also a m1 amends at 41%. I couldnt pull agro even when i tried. So let's assume this is almost as good as it can get for a wizard.
Total spell haste with aa's and troub 21.6% total crit chance 13.4% total hate reduction 105%
Without further waiting heres the ZONE wide parse.
Allies: (01:24:42) 36840705 | 7248.90 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-25836]
Illu 857 | 7181893 | 1417.04 (me)
Allestair 936 | 4815298 | 953.86 (conjuror)
Kyrika 541 | 3385747 | 670.94 (wizard)
Naldir 8750 | 2737209 | 539.11 (MT)
Numb 471 | 2080990 | 671.05 (ranger was only here for half the raid)
Ingold 432 | 1683642 | 331.80 (illusionist)
Accelerant 592 | 1603850 | 844.28 (necro - was only here for half the raid)
Amawyn 355 | 1516387 | 299.96 (troubador)
Hakanese 669 | 1495439 | 294.89 (paly)
Raidi 0 | 1176962 | 232.77 (coercer)
Darkrane 121 | 1145884 | 226.58 (zerker)
Ethor 623 | 1050544 | 207.53 (paly in my group)
Marasmus 551 | 976188 | 432.82 (bruser - only there for half the raid)
Keith 418 | 910125 | 404.43
Bonesade 65 | 795970 | 182.93 (paly)
Fiest 22 | 624178 | 129.63 (templar)
Maridith 41 | 421595 | 83.05 (defiler)
Kennae 199 | 343723 | 67.74 (warden)
Danidella 136 | 287583 | 56.73
Spongecake 96 | 205978 | 96.07
Eclipse 125 | 196317 | 92.29
Raehana 25 | 174476 | 77.09
Adlak 67 | 172748 | 241.28
a fear-tainted feaster 0 | 104304 | 883.93
Elva 6 | 40274 | 16.14
Zelkor 0 | 4028 | 1.44
Heres the named parse, it took over 8 minutes because somet of the raid had left by then and we did it with only 3 groups on our first attempt 
I just cant believe i parsed over 1K on an EIGHT minute fight. i was using EVERY canni spell as soon as they refreshed, plus shard, plus manastone, plus potion, plus class hat. conj spent most of the 2nd half of raid sharding people. It was the best raid fight i've ever been on.
Allies: (08:13) 2436934 | 4943.07 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-19223]
Illu 59 | 548812 | 1140.98
Allestair 27 | 320802 | 760.19
Kyrika 15 | 244638 | 540.04
Naldir 648 | 243011 | 495.94
Ingold 44 | 211898 | 453.74
Amawyn 11 | 107895 | 234.05
Darkrane 5 | 104904 | 231.07
Hakanese 53 | 100304 | 207.67
Ethor 63 | 100206 | 210.08
Raidi 0 | 97084 | 203.96
Bonesade 1 | 92770 | 196.55
Eclipse 52 | 78945 | 164.81
Fiest 6 | 53010 | 109.07
Maridith 1 | 44495 | 91.74
Spongecake 14 | 39593 | 85.89
Kennae 3 | 34659 | 72.06
Danidella 27 | 13002 | 26.98
Zelkor 0 | 906 | 1.98
and here's some parses to show a wizards potential when you get as much hate reduc and group buffs as i had. (btw these are single targets 
)
Allies: (01:00) 383146 | 6385.77 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-18435]
Illu 6 | 99505 | 2163.15
Kyrika 5 | 47845 | 1139.17
Ingold 17 | 35770 | 777.61
Allestair 0 | 28445 | 790.14
Naldir 56 | 26647 | 459.43
Amawyn 2 | 21927 | 534.80
Hakanese 4 | 20282 | 375.59
Bonesade 3 | 19561 | 355.65
Fiest 0 | 14354 | 333.81
Raidi 0 | 13842 | 288.38
Maridith 0 | 12370 | 220.89
Darkrane 0 | 10701 | 227.68
Spongecake 11 | 9602 | 400.08
Danidella 1 | 9401 | 200.02
Kennae 6 | 7253 | 161.18
Eclipse 2 | 4410 | 163.33
Allies: (01:22) 645017 | 7866.06 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-16436]
Illu 8 | 152631 | 2008.30
Allestair 55 | 74547 | 1064.96
Kyrika 6 | 61821 | 965.95
Naldir 125 | 49485 | 603.48
Ingold 9 | 48871 | 718.69
Hakanese 9 | 40509 | 506.36
Amawyn 17 | 35736 | 525.53
Darkrane 4 | 35208 | 469.44
Raidi 0 | 23725 | 320.61
Kennae 13 | 23533 | 313.77
Bonesade 2 | 16435 | 202.90
Ethor 11 | 16425 | 241.54
Spongecake 9 | 15406 | 223.28
Fiest 0 | 15322 | 212.81
Danidella 8 | 15107 | 228.89
Eclipse 8 | 12960 | 164.05
Maridith 0 | 6162 | 77.03
Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00
Allies: (01:3
958084 | 9776.37 [HH Illu-Fusion-19766]
Illu 22 | 188191 | 2068.03
Accelerant 53 | 119587 | 1299.86
Allestair 12 | 91017 | 1034.28
Numb 12 | 81132 | 901.47
Kyrika 23 | 64066 | 744.95
Naldir 132 | 61048 | 629.36
Marasmus 15 | 42492 | 447.28
Cometar 1 | 39669 | 455.97
Amawyn 2 | 33438 | 367.45
Ingold 21 | 33069 | 398.42
Hakanese 10 | 32194 | 331.90
Keith 18 | 28175 | 309.62
Raidi 0 | 24142 | 280.72
Bonesade 1 | 21653 | 230.35
Ethor 12 | 18484 | 196.64
Darkrane 1 | 17889 | 215.53
Willowshade 0 | 15761 | 321.65
Raehana 3 | 13864 | 266.62
Maridith 0 | 13275 | 136.86
Fiest 1 | 5364 | 57.06
Kennae 1 | 4880 | 55.45
Danidella 1 | 3860 | 44.88
Elva 5 | 2930 | 33.30
Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00
Heres a nice 4 min 45s fight parse
Allies: (04:44) 2314695 | 8150.33 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-18427]
Illu 57 | 483779 | 1733.98
Allestair 14 | 299289 | 1100.33
Kyrika 58 | 248016 | 925.43
Numb 59 | 191663 | 694.43
Ingold 34 | 162737 | 596.11
Naldir 553 | 161356 | 574.22
Hakanese 54 | 129408 | 465.50
Amawyn 26 | 107796 | 394.86
Darkrane 7 | 98078 | 360.58
Cometar 13 | 87710 | 1309.10
Raidi 0 | 77337 | 280.21
Ethor 53 | 76332 | 278.58
Fiest 1 | 48956 | 176.10
Bonesade 4 | 45721 | 165.06
Maridith 2 | 29199 | 104.28
Kennae 20 | 22808 | 87.72
Eclipse 15 | 21016 | 114.84
Danidella 7 | 11242 | 45.33
Spongecake 2 | 5344 | 28.28
Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00
but well you get the idea. I used to think these #'s were impossible but now i'm a believer. All it took for me to inflate my dps another 600-700 was synergism, and a troub with 7.2% allegro + 7.5% crit chance, + coercer m1 de-agro, and amends.
Can you imagine what my dps would of been if we had the brigand show up? it would of been rediculous.
Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-01-2006 01:19 AM