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Stavenh · 07-08-2005, 05:54 PM

Tuonela wrote:
hehe, fun, fun, fun. Perhaps I failed to compehend something, but surely not the main line. The lad (warlock boy) simply wanted to cheer us wizzies up, by saying something like: "look mates yes your folkwagen is not equal to the ferrary some people drive, but its nonetheless good" And some just started hammering him back. Well, I agree, some of the examples he used are not the best set, but it was not his main point. So lets just appreciate his efforts in return. As to those moaning and crying about how bad wizzies are SUPPOSEDLY are, should I send you a bucket to fill it with your tears or a kerchief would be enough?

As of this thread, if one does not like the subject, one can go chat eslewhere, very simple. We should focus on discussing our utility, if there is any. At the moment it sounds like wizzies are bad and thats it.

Sorry, but it would have been a better attempt at cheering up wizards if he hadn't been so wrong about many things, and hadn't underplayed what some of the warlock spells do.As for wizards being bad, that is just perception.The number of spells we have that aren't working is 1, protoflame, which they know is not working right, and has a high chance of not getting fixed before the revamp. There are other classes with more then just one spell not working.There are some spells which just aren't up to what they should be at thier level. Ice spike (lvl 17) should not list more damage then Flamestrike (lvl 46). That's 28 levels of difference. The possible dot on flamestrike doesn't make any difference, as it seldom goes off. Compared to warlocks, wizards have much less DPS, compared to other classes, we have much more. When I am grouped with my friends, MY DPS is higher then everyone elses, across the board, at all times. I do not parse damage anymore, because that doesn't interst me, but some of my friends do, and will tell me. But I also don't need a parser. My eyes tell me the truth. If we pull a multi mob encounter, and I kill 3-4 mobs in the encounter myself, I've certainly done more damage then the rest of the group that was either focusing on the same mob as the tank, or healing the tank.Raid mobs are not a reflection on what wizards can do, it's a reflection on the development of the game, and how it was built. It's not some accident that mobs where built the way they were.Our spells cost alot of power. Much more then warlock spells, some of which return power. Our spell costs are more in line with other classes. If anything, warlocks spells don't cost enough, but I don't believe in calling on a nerf for other classes. However, compared to all the other classes, wizards have much more self resources for restoring power. I can quite easily get back around 1k power in about 25 seconds. This is outside of regen items. Where other classes are OOP I'm recharging for more.The issues wizards face, when compared to warlocks CAN seem like we suck. But compared to the rest of the classes, they see wizards as sitting pretty.

07-08-2005, 05:54 PM	#19
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	Tuonela wrote: hehe, fun, fun, fun. Perhaps I failed to compehend something, but surely not the main line. The lad (warlock boy) simply wanted to cheer us wizzies up, by saying something like: "look mates yes your folkwagen is not equal to the ferrary some people drive, but its nonetheless good" And some just started hammering him back. Well, I agree, some of the examples he used are not the best set, but it was not his main point. So lets just appreciate his efforts in return. As to those moaning and crying about how bad wizzies are SUPPOSEDLY are, should I send you a bucket to fill it with your tears or a kerchief would be enough? As of this thread, if one does not like the subject, one can go chat eslewhere, very simple. We should focus on discussing our utility, if there is any. At the moment it sounds like wizzies are bad and thats it. Sorry, but it would have been a better attempt at cheering up wizards if he hadn't been so wrong about many things, and hadn't underplayed what some of the warlock spells do.As for wizards being bad, that is just perception.The number of spells we have that aren't working is 1, protoflame, which they know is not working right, and has a high chance of not getting fixed before the revamp. There are other classes with more then just one spell not working.There are some spells which just aren't up to what they should be at thier level. Ice spike (lvl 17) should not list more damage then Flamestrike (lvl 46). That's 28 levels of difference. The possible dot on flamestrike doesn't make any difference, as it seldom goes off. Compared to warlocks, wizards have much less DPS, compared to other classes, we have much more. When I am grouped with my friends, MY DPS is higher then everyone elses, across the board, at all times. I do not parse damage anymore, because that doesn't interst me, but some of my friends do, and will tell me. But I also don't need a parser. My eyes tell me the truth. If we pull a multi mob encounter, and I kill 3-4 mobs in the encounter myself, I've certainly done more damage then the rest of the group that was either focusing on the same mob as the tank, or healing the tank.Raid mobs are not a reflection on what wizards can do, it's a reflection on the development of the game, and how it was built. It's not some accident that mobs where built the way they were.Our spells cost alot of power. Much more then warlock spells, some of which return power. Our spell costs are more in line with other classes. If anything, warlocks spells don't cost enough, but I don't believe in calling on a nerf for other classes. However, compared to all the other classes, wizards have much more self resources for restoring power. I can quite easily get back around 1k power in about 25 seconds. This is outside of regen items. Where other classes are OOP I'm recharging for more.The issues wizards face, when compared to warlocks CAN seem like we suck. But compared to the rest of the classes, they see wizards as sitting pretty.