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spyderopt · 03-04-2005, 10:57 PM

Let's break this down into little bite sized nuggets of useful information that even your intellectual capacity can comprehend:

"I really wish people would stop whining"

Simply brilliant. So far you have amazed us all with your useful information and knowledge you bring to this thread. I deeply appreciate your wisdom on the matter, really.

"Getting [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] envy over warlocks dps is just pain stupid."

In terms that you or a monkey could understand, DPS is a vague term. It is done by different methods.

Let me force alittle bit of logic down you because apparently you require information spoonfed to you due to our lack of comprehension of problems at hand which either lead me to lack of useful information in this thread by you or you simply do not understand how your class works or have not seen how others work yet into the 40s. As an officer, you of all people should have a clue to facts before ranting in random directions.

DPS is done by various methods (given that I have to give you EQ2 Classes/Damage 101):

1. **DoTs** - Ticks damage over a mob over a given time
1A. Single Targle DoTs - Ticks a single mob, a warlock may have a better dot than a wizard by say 10 points per tick over this duration on a single mob the difference is not much (using generic numbers to show a point)
1B. Linked/Multiple Mobs effected by DoTs - Ticks multiple mobs at say a rate of 10 points of damage more, across 5 mobs there is a difference of 50 damage more a round of which throughout a duration of encounter could add up by a large sum.
1C. Warlocks > Wizards (as it should be)

2.**AE Nukes** - Effects multiple mobs in an encounter by a single cast, single hit damage spell
2A. As seen so far [without great testing on this area], Warlocks do more AE nuke damage than Wizards (possibly as they should to make their encounter damage at end higher)

3. **Single Target Nukes** - Effects a single targeted mob by a single cast, single hit damage spell
3A. Through much testing (see above post with detail) Warlocks out single nuke Wizards

"High" DPS Damage casters:

Warlocks
--------
Highest Single DD Nukes
Highest AE Nukes
Highest AE DoTS
Fear

Wizards
-------
Evac
Mana Battery
Get Highest DD nuke in game Ice Comet, which does not fall into line with having not that
highest DD nukes in game. Maybe the devs are confused as to class role perhaps.

The DPS a warlock does is because he does all damage a wizard does, but better not because multi DoTs
in addition to using AE nukes, and single nukes, there is more means available to hit that DPS whereas the wizard will be behind in any situation atleast pre-50 and post 37 regardless.

** There is a misleading amount of information when people say "DPS". A Warlock might/should be better than a Wizard in DPS but a Wizard should hit harder with their pure nukes [even if timer were increased] to more fall in line with what they really should be.. the heavy nuker. This would still give warlocks their DPS edge and still make wizards have the highest DDs.

"So what if we are #2 in dps, someone has to be #1 and if it’s our buddy the warlock then so be it. Feel cheated that you picked wizard to be the king of dps but have to settle for #2, aww poor baby. Go roll up a warlock then, sheesh, and stop whining"

Sit down son before you go some place you'd be sorry you went. You have the mental capacity of a chimp, this is where David loses to Goliath. Go take a deep breath and come back to me when you decide to post something useful, in which case I extremely doubt you've done much useful RL either showing your random spouting of useless nonsense.

"When you are the reason a 20 person raid was successful, that’s a good feeling. The ability to feed power is so useful, great for raids, adds, pops or any long battles. What does the warlock have? Oh yeah more argo"

You're plainly dillusional as well apparently.

1. They get more agro because they arent watching what they are doing and peeling off a tank.
2. They are higher damage than they should be using say adept 1 nukes while maybe a tank would have an adept 1 taun, the warlock (and possibly some other classes) builds "hate" faster than the tank can and hence peels it off him. So in this case the tank's taunts need to be raised, or the "effeciency" of adept 1s for some others may need to be addressed and would be more in line with possibly an adept 3 to master 1 range other than an initial entry level into Adepts.
3. The amount of power you're tranferring is nice, however the mob could have been dead in majority of the cases had they just replaced you with a warlock who would be doing more damage (by a good amount). In cases of power actually being transferred fast enough, you would nearly be spending most of your time power xferring than nuking and with that case it would almost be better to have another healer or another higher dps char in any case than give one person a small amount. [on a side note, it is almost possible a character with group haste is higher DPS than any single other char due to the compounding effects, but this is totally unrelated but talking about class effectiveness, spending all your time xferring power is silly if it gets to that point]

You're starting to bore me a bit with your lackluster show of anything concrete in terms of how a Wizard is fine damage wise. Instead you would rather be a [Removed for Content] and accept it by making "happy" feelings about it.

"People saying we can’t solo? C’mon, get serious. When I can solo ^^ blue mobs at lv 41 plus somehow this means I can’t solo (ring of cold anyone?)? I was soloing orange and red mobs in my 20’s-30’s BEFORE the wizzy upgrade"

I can solo Red ^^^ group mobs, in fact I killed Vox myself last night. Just stop now before you embarass yourself further by claiming how you solo ^^ blue mobs as if this is how you xp. People who want to solo want to grind out xp when there's nothing else going on and which almost the entire Wizard population agrees there is something funky with the way things are, CLEARLY -YOU- are RIGHT and EVERYBODY ELSE is WRONG.

"Sometimes I think people just want a “I WIN” button they can hit. I for one like a challenge"

You picked the perfect class. A challenged player for a challenged class. Sounds like a good combination.

"Wizzys have more at their disposal than warlocks for developing new strategies."

Warlocks do not have to is the point, thanks. It's not a cry for a nerf, it's a request to look into roots/stuns/damage to find out how balanced 2 similar classes are in terms of group viability and solo viability.

"So if you want to whip out your dps dong and feel like a big man then go warlock"

You apparently continue to show the gaming community how a mental midget decides to share their logic. Wizards are not asking for more DPS, they are asking not to be out gunned on every front. I for one wouldnt mind higher damage nukes on slower timer which would leave the DPS the same but atleast when you want BIG hits you call in a wizard.

I can not remember the last time somebody invited me to a group and said "hey get that wizard he can xfer power" most of the times have been for the nukes, which a Warlock can do better.

Unless you show some stats or logic, I'm done with you, however I will be mildly amused by how upset you'll be when you read this and sit at your keyboard shaking with your heart beating all fast trying to reply with more nonsense not relevant to the thread.

Your father,
Spyderoptik

edit - BTW Thanks Geldin for posting the info regarding your nuke, good to hear the nukes get better eventually pre-50 =)

Message Edited by spyderoptik on 03-04-2005 01:14 PM

Message Edited by spyderoptik on 03-04-2005 01:25 PM

03-04-2005, 10:57 PM	#25
spyderopt Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	Let's break this down into little bite sized nuggets of useful information that even your intellectual capacity can comprehend: "I really wish people would stop whining" Simply brilliant. So far you have amazed us all with your useful information and knowledge you bring to this thread. I deeply appreciate your wisdom on the matter, really. "Getting [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] envy over warlocks dps is just pain stupid." In terms that you or a monkey could understand, DPS is a vague term. It is done by different methods. Let me force alittle bit of logic down you because apparently you require information spoonfed to you due to our lack of comprehension of problems at hand which either lead me to lack of useful information in this thread by you or you simply do not understand how your class works or have not seen how others work yet into the 40s. As an officer, you of all people should have a clue to facts before ranting in random directions. DPS is done by various methods (given that I have to give you EQ2 Classes/Damage 101): 1. DoTs - Ticks damage over a mob over a given time 1A. Single Targle DoTs - Ticks a single mob, a warlock may have a better dot than a wizard by say 10 points per tick over this duration on a single mob the difference is not much (using generic numbers to show a point) 1B. Linked/Multiple Mobs effected by DoTs - Ticks multiple mobs at say a rate of 10 points of damage more, across 5 mobs there is a difference of 50 damage more a round of which throughout a duration of encounter could add up by a large sum. 1C. Warlocks > Wizards (as it should be) 2.AE Nukes - Effects multiple mobs in an encounter by a single cast, single hit damage spell 2A. As seen so far [without great testing on this area], Warlocks do more AE nuke damage than Wizards (possibly as they should to make their encounter damage at end higher) 3. Single Target Nukes - Effects a single targeted mob by a single cast, single hit damage spell 3A. Through much testing (see above post with detail) Warlocks out single nuke Wizards "High" DPS Damage casters: Warlocks -------- Highest Single DD Nukes Highest AE Nukes Highest AE DoTS Fear Wizards ------- Evac Mana Battery Get Highest DD nuke in game Ice Comet, which does not fall into line with having not that highest DD nukes in game. Maybe the devs are confused as to class role perhaps. The DPS a warlock does is because he does all damage a wizard does, but better not because multi DoTs in addition to using AE nukes, and single nukes, there is more means available to hit that DPS whereas the wizard will be behind in any situation atleast pre-50 and post 37 regardless. ** There is a misleading amount of information when people say "DPS". A Warlock might/should be better than a Wizard in DPS but a Wizard should hit harder with their pure nukes [even if timer were increased] to more fall in line with what they really should be.. the heavy nuker. This would still give warlocks their DPS edge and still make wizards have the highest DDs. "So what if we are #2 in dps, someone has to be #1 and if it’s our buddy the warlock then so be it. Feel cheated that you picked wizard to be the king of dps but have to settle for #2, aww poor baby. Go roll up a warlock then, sheesh, and stop whining" Sit down son before you go some place you'd be sorry you went. You have the mental capacity of a chimp, this is where David loses to Goliath. Go take a deep breath and come back to me when you decide to post something useful, in which case I extremely doubt you've done much useful RL either showing your random spouting of useless nonsense. "When you are the reason a 20 person raid was successful, that’s a good feeling. The ability to feed power is so useful, great for raids, adds, pops or any long battles. What does the warlock have? Oh yeah more argo" You're plainly dillusional as well apparently. 1. They get more agro because they arent watching what they are doing and peeling off a tank. 2. They are higher damage than they should be using say adept 1 nukes while maybe a tank would have an adept 1 taun, the warlock (and possibly some other classes) builds "hate" faster than the tank can and hence peels it off him. So in this case the tank's taunts need to be raised, or the "effeciency" of adept 1s for some others may need to be addressed and would be more in line with possibly an adept 3 to master 1 range other than an initial entry level into Adepts. 3. The amount of power you're tranferring is nice, however the mob could have been dead in majority of the cases had they just replaced you with a warlock who would be doing more damage (by a good amount). In cases of power actually being transferred fast enough, you would nearly be spending most of your time power xferring than nuking and with that case it would almost be better to have another healer or another higher dps char in any case than give one person a small amount. [on a side note, it is almost possible a character with group haste is higher DPS than any single other char due to the compounding effects, but this is totally unrelated but talking about class effectiveness, spending all your time xferring power is silly if it gets to that point] You're starting to bore me a bit with your lackluster show of anything concrete in terms of how a Wizard is fine damage wise. Instead you would rather be a [Removed for Content] and accept it by making "happy" feelings about it. "People saying we can’t solo? C’mon, get serious. When I can solo ^^ blue mobs at lv 41 plus somehow this means I can’t solo (ring of cold anyone?)? I was soloing orange and red mobs in my 20’s-30’s BEFORE the wizzy upgrade" I can solo Red ^^^ group mobs, in fact I killed Vox myself last night. Just stop now before you embarass yourself further by claiming how you solo ^^ blue mobs as if this is how you xp. People who want to solo want to grind out xp when there's nothing else going on and which almost the entire Wizard population agrees there is something funky with the way things are, CLEARLY -YOU- are RIGHT and EVERYBODY ELSE is WRONG. "Sometimes I think people just want a “I WIN” button they can hit. I for one like a challenge" You picked the perfect class. A challenged player for a challenged class. Sounds like a good combination. "Wizzys have more at their disposal than warlocks for developing new strategies." Warlocks do not have to is the point, thanks. It's not a cry for a nerf, it's a request to look into roots/stuns/damage to find out how balanced 2 similar classes are in terms of group viability and solo viability. "So if you want to whip out your dps dong and feel like a big man then go warlock" You apparently continue to show the gaming community how a mental midget decides to share their logic. Wizards are not asking for more DPS, they are asking not to be out gunned on every front. I for one wouldnt mind higher damage nukes on slower timer which would leave the DPS the same but atleast when you want BIG hits you call in a wizard. I can not remember the last time somebody invited me to a group and said "hey get that wizard he can xfer power" most of the times have been for the nukes, which a Warlock can do better. Unless you show some stats or logic, I'm done with you, however I will be mildly amused by how upset you'll be when you read this and sit at your keyboard shaking with your heart beating all fast trying to reply with more nonsense not relevant to the thread. Your father, Spyderoptik edit - BTW Thanks Geldin for posting the info regarding your nuke, good to hear the nukes get better eventually pre-50 =) Message Edited by spyderoptik on 03-04-2005 01:14 PM Message Edited by spyderoptik on 03-04-2005 01:25 PM