Amends adp3 takes reduces someones aggro by 41% and gives it to you. Clarion Call and Zealous Preaching should definetly be upgraded. Display of Devotion (ward) at adp3 will give you approx 615 threat (same as clarion call), plus it reduces the dps you take. Direct heals also give threat to you, but I forget what my adept3 heals for. I believe, but I could be wrong, that the threat gained is a 1:1 ratio on the heal. Same applies for group heals. I've yet to test accuratly if group buffs play any part in aggro generation. The only problem I've had with aggro is when the mobs in the new expansion constantly stun me. This is my biggest pet peeve of the expansion right now. Also, we tried a few raids last night (spawned a 57x4 Griffon of the Blades in Majdul), tried Rognog (fish are bugged, dont go in there), and Spirit of Vox. I was able to hold aggro perfectly fine for the 10seconds I lived =). Spirit of Vox used to be a mob we could do with 9-12 people... now she hits me for 1/2 my raid HP. Healers can't keep up with it at the moment. However, don't call the sky is falling based on this. Not only are we all semi noobs again but lots of our new raid spells need to be upgraded, and tactics adjusted. Gorndax Leader of Legacy Unrest