lvl 48 pally here. MT a number of raid mobs. but most recently i was in a raid with a lvl 50 guard, both me and him mentored down to lvl 47 to turn the spider in nek green, with a mystic in the group my str was 266, with my ebbc i stole the aggro from the guard a number of times. after the guardian died and had to revive and come back, i was able to tank the the spider with no healer just fine, holding aggro even when the guard came back through rest of the fight when the guard was trying to taunt the spider back. and the 50 guardian is a good friend of mine and one of the best raid MT on our server, has a number of server first kills on big raid bosses. when we xp in perma i can steal the aggro from him whenever i use call to glory (he likes the challenge and i like to take the aggro). i do have to confess though, and maybe you guys can help me figure this one out...... i know aggro management is the entire group's responsibility, and reckless nuking/healing will eventually steal the aggro (or that's what moorguard said). i can hold aggro just fine with 49 warlocks or 50 assassins (i do have to say i get nervous when warlock chain debuffs, those things generage OUTRAGEOUS aggro), but this 47 swashy i group with regularly has been able to get the aggro from me for at least 3 second EVERY FIGHT. now before you start lecturing me on how to tank or hold aggro, please save it, i made it this far being the mt since lvl 20... but i guess what i'm asking is, has anyone had the same problem with swashies or rangers?? i have several swashy friends and i know they have quite a few spells that generates a lot of hate, and rangers also have arts that generates hate. the swashy i group with deals GREAT dmg and is one of the better scout dps i have seen, but is it just me, or should i treat him as a special case??