<p>I have 10 crafters, 9 of which are now at level 90. I have completed the TS Quests every day, at least 300 times.</p><p>I have yet to get a reactant as a drop, not even on my under 90s.</p><p>I am cursed.</p>

<p>7 assistants and 30 days...1 reactant...and I'm almost as cursed.....others in the guild....5  assistant  and 6 reactants...and 3 wins from EoW.</p>

<p>Only four here that are t9, but 51 days and zero reactants, at least via apprentices.  I was going to say via crafting, but I did get one via a prayer shawl proc, albeit someone else was making something for me with one I bought.</p><p>For the record, I've bought 2 (one at a discount from a friend), had one drop that I didn't win, but was given by someone from EoW, and the prayer shawl proc via someone else crafting an item.  Again none via apprentices as of today.</p><p>But I know people whom have gotten two in the first week they had AoD.  Another whom has a good 7 or 8 now, maybe more and have 9 crafters.  RNG is..just random.  But yes, it does get frustrating too.  All one can do is keep trying.  *shrugs*. </p><p>And hey, it is fun to research the recipes.  I do hate the 20 common raws as the booby prize, maybe make that reward something like a single city token, but I already posted a thread about that a month ago.  And before someone says otherwise, I can appricate the apprentices overall and still dislike getting 20 commons.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As an aside, I do think at least the t9/colossals should stay quite rare until if/when the level cap is raised to 100, assuming items from new content before a level 100 cap don't get higher stats on avergae before then.  So no, I'm not someone who thinks colossals should be a more common drop either.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

<p>Random means streaks. I went from AoD launch until last Tuesdays patch, over 200 across 9 crafters with no reactant. Patch day last week I got 3/9 first time through and wondered, "Coincidence? I think not". Coincidence I think so, not a one since.</p>

<p>Ok I probably shouldn't say anything but with 8 level 90 crafters and doing each one every day since launch,  I have 7 colossal reactants to date.  Used 5 and got 3 server discos.</p><p>Sorry</p>

<p>Hmm bout 6 90 tradeskilled too many rinse repeat TA quests not one darm reactant (I actually sepnt the 1900 plat to buy one) but hey I got a ton of raws....its too hit or miss at this point</p>

<p><cite>Arcos@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok I probably shouldn't say anything but with 8 level 90 crafters and doing each one every day since launch,  I have 7 colossal reactants to date.  Used 5 and got 3 server discos.</p><p>Sorry</p></blockquote><p>Congrats. That's the beauty of random and I have no issue with it. Got 3 disco's myself</p>

<p>After doing it since AOD launch with 9 crafters, I finally got one about three weeks ago .. then another two in the weeks that followed. So three so far for me. I'm happy with that -- certainly would love to have more, but at least I finally got the elusive collossal <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

<p>My very first quest turn in I got a colossal reactant on my lone 90 crafter...  I've gotten another crafter to 90 since then, and no other colossal.  I've gotten several of the reactants on my below 90 crafters.</p><p>I should work on getting the other crafters to 90 for more of a shot at "the lottery" as I call the tradeskill quests.</p>

<p>Got one on day 6. I've seen less than 10 between my main guild and my alt guild from the TS apprentice quests. It seems to be an incentive to get people to actually research the items rather than a proper supply of them, which come from Elements of war and Tower of tactics instead.</p>

<p>12 crafters @ 90, doing them daily since they were available, 6 colossal reactants</p><p>1 crafter @ 47, just started doing the dailies 10 days ago, 2 whatever-reactants</p><p>On Guk, colossals remain above 1100p on the broker, and seem to sell for 900-1100 when auctioned seperately.</p>

<p>I have 33 crafters, 25 of whom are level 90. So far I have gotten 5 Colossals. My husband with a similar number of crafters has gotten 7.</p><p>This is my experience after 45 days of crafting (with a few lapses here and there):</p><p><strong>Reactants: </strong>22<strong></strong></p><p>5 Colossal</p><p>1 Abberant</p><p>6 Simmering</p><p>4 Mummuring</p><p>6 Humming</p><p><strong>Potions: </strong>452</p><p><strong>Raws: </strong>825</p>

<p><cite>Chronus1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Got one on day 6. I've seen less than 10 between my main guild and my alt guild from the TS apprentice quests. It seems to be an incentive to get people to actually research the items rather than a proper supply of them, which come from Elements of war and Tower of tactics instead.</p></blockquote><p>Oh? I was under the impression that colossal reactants are quite rare in those zones. What have you observed for a drop rate from these zones?</p>

<p>3 x90 crafters, slightly over 100 researches, 0 reactants.</p><p>So far i have seen Colossal Reactants drop from Boss in Drunder 2, 3, and last 2 bosses in EoW. Unfortunately haven't won any, price on Nagafen is pretty stable around 1800pp +/- 300pp since AoD launch</p><p>Anyone ever seen a reactant from contested Kael ?</p>

<p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have 33 crafters, 25 of whom are level 90. So far I have gotten 5 Colossals. My husband with a similar number of crafters has gotten 7.</p><p>This is my experience after 45 days of crafting (with a few lapses here and there):</p><p><strong>Reactants: </strong>22<strong></strong></p><p>5 Colossal</p><p>1 Abberant</p><p>6 Simmering</p><p>4 Mummuring</p><p>6 Humming</p><p><strong>Potions: </strong>452</p><p><strong>Raws: </strong>825</p></blockquote><p>im sorry... that must be a typo... 33???? ummm wow?</p>

<p>Its not a typo. I am an altaholic LOL.</p>

<p>33 crafters? yeah - in our guild we have someone with around that figure if not more or slightly less in crafters - most all are 90 crafters AND quite a number are also 90 adventurers.</p><p>Needless to say, I got one of those tradeskill assistants - put it in my home with some nekkid mannequin then left it so it could do it's thang - that was about a few weeks ago or more. Don't remember. Haven't been back since. /shrug</p>

<p>just so i understand this right, i know you get them from the TA quest's, but can you also get them from Crafting as well? if so is it any 90 recipes  or what?</p>

<p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have 33 crafters, 25 of whom are level 90. So far I have gotten 5 Colossals. My husband with a similar number of crafters has gotten 7.</p><p>This is my experience after 45 days of crafting (with a few lapses here and there):</p><p><strong>Reactants: </strong>22<strong></strong></p><p>5 Colossal</p><p>1 Abberant</p><p>6 Simmering</p><p>4 Mummuring</p><p>6 Humming</p><p><strong>Potions: </strong>452</p><p><strong>Raws: </strong>825</p></blockquote><p>25 lvl90 crafters * 40 day (to account for lapses; also being overly causious) = 1000 assistant quest rewards (cool, a nice round number).</p><p>5 colossals / 1000 rewards = 0.005 chance for a lvl90 reactant.</p><p>That's a half of a percent chance (<strong>0.5%</strong>) of getting one as a crafter. SoE, that is TOO LOW.</p><p>Thank you for the numbers Lateana!</p>

<p><cite>thewarriorpoet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have 33 crafters, 25 of whom are level 90. So far I have gotten 5 Colossals. My husband with a similar number of crafters has gotten 7.</p><p>This is my experience after 45 days of crafting (with a few lapses here and there):</p><p><strong>Reactants: </strong>22<strong></strong></p><p>5 Colossal</p><p>1 Abberant</p><p>6 Simmering</p><p>4 Mummuring</p><p>6 Humming</p><p><strong>Potions: </strong>452</p><p><strong>Raws: </strong>825</p></blockquote><p>25 lvl90 crafters * 40 day (to account for lapses; also being overly causious) = 1000 assistant quest rewards (cool, a nice round number).</p><p>5 colossals / 1000 rewards = 0.005 chance for a lvl90 reactant.</p><p>That's a half of a percent chance (<strong>0.5%</strong>) of getting one as a crafter. SoE, that is TOO LOW.</p><p>Thank you for the numbers Lateana!</p></blockquote><p>Isn't that about the same as harvesting a tier 9 rare? Sans AA's.</p><p>-Miz</p>

<p>Nope, harvesting a T9 rare is around 0.6%.</p><p>18 level 90 tradeskillers here, doing quest everyday got me 4 reactants.</p>

<p>Even if the percentages were equal, there is effectively no limit on how many chances you have per day to harvest a rare.  On the other hand, you get exactly ONE chance per day to "harvest" a CR.</p>

<p><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Only four here that are t9, but 51 days and zero reactants, at least via apprentices.  I was going to say via crafting, but I did get one via a prayer shawl proc, albeit someone else was making something for me with one I bought.</p><p>For the record, I've bought 2 (one at a discount from a friend), had one drop that I didn't win, but was given by someone from EoW, and the prayer shawl proc via someone else crafting an item.  Again none via apprentices as of today.</p><p>But I know people whom have gotten two in the first week they had AoD.  Another whom has a good 7 or 8 now, maybe more and have 9 crafters.  RNG is..just random.  But yes, it does get frustrating too.  All one can do is keep trying.  *shrugs*. </p><p>And hey, it is fun to research the recipes.  I do hate the 20 common raws as the booby prize, maybe make that reward something like a single city token, but I already posted a thread about that a month ago.  And before someone says otherwise, I can appricate the apprentices overall and still dislike getting 20 commons.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As an aside, I do think at least the t9/colossals should stay quite rare until if/when the level cap is raised to 100, assuming items from new content before a level 100 cap don't get higher stats on avergae before then.  So no, I'm not someone who thinks colossals should be a more common drop either.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You realise the level cap isn't increasing for over a year, if ever, and that when the next raid patch comes out these items will very likely be obsolete right?</p><p>Next raid patch is apparently due in a month or two.</p>

<p>That noted, 4 crafters, daily, 0 reactants.</p><p>I have however picked up about a dozen t9 rares.</p>

<p>People can post all the numbers they want, SOE has the real numbers for all reactant drops from adventuring and crafting. If that looks off to them, they can correct it.</p>

<p><cite>Meridia@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Only four here that are t9, but 51 days and zero reactants, at least via apprentices.  I was going to say via crafting, but I did get one via a prayer shawl proc, albeit someone else was making something for me with one I bought.</p><p>For the record, I've bought 2 (one at a discount from a friend), had one drop that I didn't win, but was given by someone from EoW, and the prayer shawl proc via someone else crafting an item.  Again none via apprentices as of today.</p><p>But I know people whom have gotten two in the first week they had AoD.  Another whom has a good 7 or 8 now, maybe more and have 9 crafters.  RNG is..just random.  But yes, it does get frustrating too.  All one can do is keep trying.  *shrugs*. </p><p>And hey, it is fun to research the recipes.  I do hate the 20 common raws as the booby prize, maybe make that reward something like a single city token, but I already posted a thread about that a month ago.  And before someone says otherwise, I can appricate the apprentices overall and still dislike getting 20 commons.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As an aside, I do think at least the t9/colossals should stay quite rare until if/when the level cap is raised to 100, assuming items from new content before a level 100 cap don't get higher stats on avergae before then.  So no, I'm not someone who thinks colossals should be a more common drop either.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You realise the level cap isn't increasing for over a year, if ever, and that when the next raid patch comes out these items will very likely be obsolete right?</p><p>Next raid patch is apparently due in a month or two.</p></blockquote><p>Obsolete compared to what though?  Newest raid zone items?  Probably.  Newest group zones?  Depends.  The newest group zones currently are Crystal Caverns Collapse and the two scaled ones in Sinking Sands if memory serves, unless EOW did come in after that..I'm honestly drawing a blank on the order.  EoW is only for "raid geared" or at least very well geared heroic to even do it Easy mode (crit mit needed for even EM EOW is what, 200?), CCC's loot is maybe on par with the lower end Kael stuff not counting it's rare spawn and the Sinking Sands stuff at least for t9 is quite subpar other then as stuff to crush.  So any new group zones, they may add stuff on par or better then reactant loot, they may not.  My point is for people like me that don't raid, the t9 colossal reactant gear might still be our (our being "non raiders") best option or at least a good until level cap of 100, or at least until the middle or end of 2012.</p><p>As an aside, it would be silly of them to introduce items with AoD that become obsolete only three months down the road.  Mind you, this is SOE so I wouldn't put it past them.  I could see the items not being AS desirable, or only upgrades for those that don't raid come GU 63 or GU 64, but not being totally obsolete either.</p><p>And yes, I knew the cap is a year or more away.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

<p>With 3 updates this year (velious around april, qeynos in august and ??? in november), I think it's safe to say that gear will be relevant for a while.</p>

<p>Since there is ZERO risk and just a few minutes involved, they should sell all 90 adventurers "lotto cards," purchasable once a day, for the price of 4 fuels + a few silver, buy doing a 100 foor or so fedex quest. That way it is fair and adventurers have the same oppurtunity to get these with the same level of effort.</p>

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Since there is ZERO risk and just a few minutes involved, they should sell all 90 adventurers "lotto cards," purchasable once a day, for the price of 4 fuels + a few silver, buy doing a 100 foor or so fedex quest. That way it is fair and adventurers have the same oppurtunity to get these with the same level of effort.</p></blockquote><p>Obvious troll is obvious.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If you want more chances then just adventuring, then take up a tradeskill class as well, or roll up a tradeskill alt.  Then you can chances of getting one via both tradeskilling and adventuring.  Or did this honestly not occur to you?</p><p>Now before you say "but I hate tradeskilling", well that's not my problem.  The game is set up for there to be more then one way to get reactants.  Either make a character that can do it both ways, or don't.</p><p>As an aside, at least for t9 I only know of two places where Colossal reactants drop.  Drunder3/TOT and EOW.  If there's more I'll stand corrected especially if it's zones outside of Drunder, but EoW is pretty much for people in raid gear or at least VERY well equipped in heroic gear, and Drunder 3 can be done in heroic gear only, but is still very difficult if one is just in heroic level gear.  So for a good number of adventurers, even if they do group every day their only way of getting one short of buying them is STILL only via tradeskilling.  Not everyone is in raid gear or raids at level 90, and no I wouldn't say the majority of even level 90's do.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

<p><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Since there is ZERO risk and just a few minutes involved, they should sell all 90 adventurers "lotto cards," purchasable once a day, for the price of 4 fuels + a few silver, buy doing a 100 foor or so fedex quest. That way it is fair and adventurers have the same oppurtunity to get these with the same level of effort.</p></blockquote><p>Obvious troll is obvious.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>If you want more chances then just adventuring, then take up a tradeskill class as well, or roll up a tradeskill alt.  Then you can chances of getting one via both tradeskilling and adventuring.  Or did this honestly not occur to you?</p><p>Now before you say "but I hate tradeskilling", well that's not my problem.  The game is set up for there to be more then one way to get reactants.  Either make a character that can do it both ways, or don't.</p><p>As an aside, at least for t9 I only know of two places where Colossal reactants drop.  Drunder3/TOT and EOW.  If there's more I'll stand corrected especially if it's zones outside of Drunder, but EoW is pretty much for people in raid gear or at least VERY well equipped in heroic gear, and Drunder 3 can be done in heroic gear only, but is still very difficult if one is just in heroic level gear.  So for a good number of adventurers, even if they do group every day their only way of getting one short of buying them is STILL only via tradeskilling.  Not everyone is in raid gear or raids at level 90, and no I wouldn't say the majority of even level 90's do.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I have 6 90 TSers, one 85, and a couple more in their 30s. That doesn't negate that fact that is incredibly easy with zero risk when getting a reactant. It is simply a no fail couple minute time sink chance a scrath lotto card for a reactant.</p><p>Can you think of a SINGLE thing in the adventure area that is even remotely close in the reward vs. time effort?</p><p>This isn't providing an equivilant oppurtunity for crafter to get gear, it is a GIFT, plain and simple.</p>