<p>The time has come for a solution to alot of peoples problems with this game to come to an end.</p><p>I ask the new PVP dev to plz take a real long close look at the neccessity of players being able to CHARM other players in pvp.</p><p>I ask you to look at how many issuesand problems this 1 ability has caused.</p><p>Look at how it affects contested, heroic and small pvp, is this really its intention, is it really worth all the hassle it has and will continue to cause?</p><p>Look at what it does to a even fight? Look at how it breaks pvp combat, rewards and kill credit.</p><p>I understand its a big part of the pve aspect of the game exp for some classes but it doesnt fit in pvp not right now nor has it ever.</p><p>Hate the idea or love it, please share your thoughts and as to why you feel the way you do.</p>

<p><3 Charm</p>

<p><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><3 Charm</p></blockquote><p>Except for when a grey / immune player does it to your tank on a avatar pull... Am I right?</p>

<p>There's probably like 7 different threads about this same topic (Onyx and avatars). Lets make another one!</p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>Fix it, dont remove it.</p><p>** Make it not break combat ([Removed for Content] is this about anyways?!?.. why would it break combat? this is just plain broken no matter which angle you look at it from.. why does it still do this?!?!?!)</p><p>Its a cureable effect, thats usually not an issue at all in group vs group with a couple healers and mages... but its a legitimate tactic that just gets exploited due to lousy programming on SOE's part...</p><p>After all, charming in a 1 v 1 shouldnt make a difference, since you cant be attacked, and you cant do the attacking.....  The fact that its broken and breaks PVP combat for a cheap getaway is why people like Naroc like it so much...</p>

<p><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There's probably like 7 different threads about this same topic (Onyx and avatars). Lets make another one!</p></blockquote><p>Nobody cares about Onyx and their avatars...   they cant get anything done without exploits, hacks, cheats and 3 dozen petitions with their buddies on the other end...     No respect for a guild that cant get things done without hacking..... </p><p>This is about charm in PVP...</p>

<p>Lol I have never charmed anyone 1 v 1. I'd love to see a screenshot/fraps of it happening. Of course charm is exploited. I run into people charming me all day.</p><p>PS: Nobody cares about Onyx and the avatars huh? Then why did the threads created about us just blow up into 5+ pages of crying? mmmhmmm. Oh and gg pulling out the Onyx hacks card..never heard that one before</p>

<p>And if they removed charm from pvp it wouldn't affect me one bit. Go ahead and get rid of it</p>

<p>You've actually charmed me 2v1 before tbh.  You and ur butt-buddy brig attacked me 2v1 in the caves near TG with 2 Mischief Makers running.  I hit a Devout healing and proceeded to wreck Siniro's lights, soon as he got below 50% I got charmed and had the charm broken.  Thanfully it was aobut this time Cesium was flying in and nailed you right in the chops with a DT and FJ while Siniro evacd.  Truly lulz.</p>

<p>Actually I do remember that fight. We never popped mischief maker first of all. Second we had Cesium on track so we charmed you while you had your godspell running and tried to burn Cesium. He FJ'd and DT'd me killing me thus breaking charm. It was never meant to run away. And Siniro died, she didn't evac.</p>

<p><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There's probably like 7 different threads about this same topic (Onyx and avatars). Lets make another one!</p></blockquote><p>Next time dont flatter yourself so much to think this thread is about you or your guild, the fact that it was even mention by me at all was in a sarcastic responce to you.</p><p>I could honestly careless about your guilds avatar pulling pvp solution problems, but simply use it to reinforce my point about the broken mechanic (imo) that is Charm in pvp.</p>

<p>Really?  You had him on track?  That's a pretty amazing range considering he was a long ways behind me because he jumped to kill somebody.  And there were mischief makers used because I had you mezed while I turned on Siniro who had the MM burning already, but you broke urs with a MM, hit me a few times, and charmed me before I could kill Siniro.</p>

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There's probably like 7 different threads about this same topic (Onyx and avatars). Lets make another one!</p></blockquote><p>Next time dont flatter yourself so much too think this thread is about you or your guild, the fact that it was even mention by me at all was in a sarcastic responce to one of your wonderful members.</p><p>I could honestly careless about your guilds avatar pulling pvp solution problems, but simply use it to reinforce my point about the broken mechanic (imo) that is Charm in pvp.</p></blockquote><p>And my "<3 Charm" was used, as expected, to get a response because im a troub. But personal flames aside, of course this needs looking into and hopefully the pvp dev can fix alot of the issues. It's all in time though, let him get situated first.</p>

<p>And i've always been Tribunal btw Frogg <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

<p>Ok, I musta been imagining another Troubador duoing with Siniro all the time then...</p><p>I like how you tried to fall back on that though,  nice try <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

<p>The fact is you can claim all these things that happened during the fight and so can I. The truth won't come out unless it was screenshotted or frap's which I asked for. So we can keep going on and on about it or let this thread live and see what happens.</p>

<p>I mean seriously though, Charm breaking PVP combat has got to be the single biggest bug in the PVP side of the game... and its been ignored for years... </p><p>Oh, and yes I will charm MT of any opposite aligned guild if I see them pulling an Avatar and the scrub block force doesnt get me first.....  If a solo enchanter can make it through 79 members of a guild lagging out a zone, theres some "nub block force 101" traning needed TBH..</p>

<p>Edited because this got old.</p>

Don't remove it, but make it put the person into combat for pvp, not allow them to be out of combat then evac...

<p>Do yall remember way back when a red could charm the mob a grey was attacking if the encounter wasnt locked and the game would act like the grey attacked the red?</p><p>Do yall also remember when you could Charm someone in pvp and evac bringing them with you?  (back when all evacs worked in combat)</p><p>Do yall remember back in T7 when tinkerers could charm level 65's and below or sometihng like that and keep them charmed for like 2min in pvp.</p><p>Remember when the godspell charm worked in pvp and almost never resisted even on reds?</p><p>Granted alot of things have changed to make charm work more fair in pvp but were still a long ways away I afraid. So why waste the time fixing all this just disable it, like evac and focus aim, all the classes that get charm also get plently of other CC and Mezz is just as deadly if used properly but atleast it doesnt drop buffs and cause weird kill credit issues.</p>

<p><cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lol I have never charmed anyone 1 v 1. I'd love to see a screenshot/fraps of it happening. Of course charm is exploited. I run into people charming me all day.</p><p>PS: Nobody cares about Onyx and the avatars huh? Then why did the threads created about us just blow up into 5+ pages of crying? mmmhmmm. Oh and gg pulling out the Onyx hacks card..never heard that one before</p></blockquote><p>LOL.  Yet you've charmed me 2 v 1.  Me against you and Siniro.  Somehow, it doesn't make your claim that you haven't charmed 1 v 1 very convincing to me.  No, I don't have a screenshot, I'd hope that you'd have the integrity to admit you did just that in KJ to me as I was pwning Siniro.   Charmed me, then evac'd you and siniro when she was at like 10% health.</p>

<p>Wait guys! I did charm and run once! Nerf Kaily plz!</p>

<p><cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Don't remove it, but make it put the person into combat for pvp, not allow them to be out of combat then evac...</blockquote>

<p>Charm in almost any another situation then full grp pvp can be too powerfull.</p><p>Bring a charmer to any fight where there is only one curer/healer or even worse none at all and it is prctically game over before it starts.</p><p>Same could be said about mezz and its imo excessive long duration, but atleast IT can break by "accident" or be self-cured with vessel =) Also mezz does not "add" 1 more to the fight you have to deal with all of the sudden.</p><p>My hope is that charm stays but dosent break combat and also gets a maximum of 5sec duration.</p><p>And for mezz i would like to see a 10-12sec duration.</p><p>All numbers above are just to set the bar somewhere and are not set in concret of cource =)</p><p>The one good thing i forsee with lower duration on such powerfull tools is that you better know how to time ur focus fire when the call goes that charm is inc on healer,specially if you want to utilize its potential to the max,unlike now where there is more room for sloppyness but still a good chance of succes due to long durations.</p><p>If i may throw in a second bone.</p><p>Cloak of justice proc needs to be lowered to 2sec.Some fights can potentially be over if ur opponents cloak procs first and you got cooldown on signets-potions e.t.c</p><p>Fearbuff also need to be toned down.</p><p>Running in stacked grps with that buff on makes it next to impossible to have any form of fair fight with said grp.</p><p>I can live with it still being in the game but plz lower its duration to like a 2sec fear at best.Afterall it CAN make fights last longer and i guess that can be a bonus in it self in some mysterious devils advocate way =)</p><p>Cheers</p><p>jabib</p>

<p>Hilarious. I was just in a fight. 4 of us vs 6 or 7 Onyx and what was the very FIRST thing Naroc did? Charm our tank. LOL.</p><p>The truth of the matter is, the duration of charm is WAY too long, particularly against classes that have no means of curing it. What is the max duration on charm anyway? Like 20 seconds? It's ridiculous. And let me not even re-iterate whats been said about the broken mechanics of the ability.</p><p>REMOVE IT OR SEVERELY LOWER THE DURATION AND FIX THE OUT OF COMBAT TRASH.</p><p>-Trilli</p>

<p>Lol I didn't even need to use charm. Troar should learn to identify mez.</p>

<p>Although Palmdale was there I believe, he may have charmed someone.</p>

Guys let's stay focused here. Charm needs to go!

<p>But, but... what about all those over powered Brigands?!</p><p>Sheesh.. we need to post a calender so we can all keep on the same page with the classes we're complaining about each week. XD</p>