<DIV>Title is self explanitory.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vamprella</DIV> <DIV>50 Brigand  *The Unlikely*</DIV> <DIV>Najena server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

<P>Well from the very small sampling of brigand spells listed on Test Center market...</P> <P>Not a whole lot from what we have now (Again, only found like 10 spells on broker)</P> <DIV>the Daring Advance line of spells looks nice now. permanent 3conc buff. lowers defense, raises offense, and has a 20% proc of some damage and interrupt to target</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the rake line changed to where it doesnt debuff agility, it debuffs mitigation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and rough skin only buffs strength now</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Though i wasnt viewing the spells from a brigand toon, so i cant comment on damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats all I remember for now. Hopefully theres a Brigand on Test that can examine all their spells and screen shot it. =)</DIV>

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=2</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>some more hp, beg of mercy as a reactive hate decrease on another player(wow...), before this they said they will boost scouts auto attack, now they only did that to rangers and as.ses</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im sure guys on test could hook us up with more info</DIV>

Is there not one brigand in DoF beta who can give us the full post NDA info?  C'MON you slackers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aralys wrote:<BR>Is there not one brigand in DoF beta who can give us the full post NDA info?  C'MON you slackers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>combat changes are on test now, and there is no nda anymore, assassins have a huge post about all their skills, some brigand on test could give us some hints too</P> <P>and protest for the bows ffs, you can change nothing if they put it on live, I don't want to have a "red" yew bow in my inventory atleast turn it into a fabled sheath or satchel or something but making fabled items unusable to people (only rogues will have that problem btw, I have seen no other classes losing usability of any of their items) without any choice of making it useful somehow is a huge disadvantage and discrimination</P>

<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=146#M146" target=_blank>Good info here</A> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>38 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A></DIV>

I posted over in the "brigand power" thread under the Testing section (there's a new forum dedicated to combat changes).Basically... we go from being very good soloers at 38 to being overpowered soloers at 38. (That's the level of the brigand that I tested last night.)

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WuphonsReach wrote:<BR>I posted over in the "brigand power" thread under the Testing section (there's a new forum dedicated to combat changes).<BR><BR>Basically... we go from being very good soloers at 38 to being overpowered soloers at 38. (That's the level of the brigand that I tested last night.)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>dont overexagarate please, overpowered soloers are lvl 50 warlocks, templars, wizards, all the classes that can take down lvl 50^^ mobs atm without running around for 30 mins and using 300 arrows on them</P> <P>the fact that brigands could take 3-4 lvl higher solo mobs fairly well because of ruse is nowhere near that</P>

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <FONT size=2>Heroic Opportunity effects are now scaled based on the average level of spells used to trigger them. Completing HOs with low-level spells will have a much lower result than using spells appropriate to your level.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Heh, guess that means I shouldn't use Quick Strike (3) to finish off the HOs :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>38 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A></DIV>

Did they take out the FD component for Lurk/Craven Walk?

<P>yes was on test and checked it out =/</P> <P>Instead we get see sneak?..like that will save me when mobs see my sneak</P> <P>Bring back the FD component....</P>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cycord wrote:<BR> <P>yes was on test and checked it out =/</P> <P>Instead we get see sneak?..like that will save me when mobs see my sneak</P> <P>Bring back the FD component....</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>This really saddens me.  One of my main reasons for playing a rogue in all of the MMOs I have played is rogues usually have the best invis.  As it looks now, we will be stuck with a nerfed group invis and no more FD.  [Removed for Content] is usefull about see invis?  I can equip Torbin's Eyepatch if I want that ability.</DIV>

If you want the FD portion of Lurk returned (I would love it, too, it was <i>extremely</i> cool) then /feedback this every day on Test.

Just made a low level alt on Test to check out the changes and to look at our app2 combat arts and I noticed a couple of things. First looks like we lost almost all our stat debuffs, but now get a lot of mitigation debuffs. Second group stealth looks like it bites now, it does not level up with you and only lasts 2 min 30 sec with a 3 min recast timer, so it's basically only usefull for avoiding one or two groups of mobs now instead of moving your group around. Third looks like interrupts are sort of useless now, from my rather limited play time on test, it looks like fighter and scout combat arts that do damage are insta cast and mage and priest spells have had a reduction in casting time over all.  Which means that you can't inturrupt fighter/scout mobs and at most your going to be slowing down mage/priests casting by a couple of seconds. Fourth our offensive stance is just an increase to piercing/slash and range with a chance to proc interrupt, while decreasing defence.  Our defensive stance is a increase to def and sta with a % decrease DPS. And it looks like Disable is becoming a swash only skill and I just had adept 3 made <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

    most of the combat skills on test with 206str i believe.  images are big as i play in 16x12. http://home.earthlink.net/~kythik/images/skills1.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~kythik/images/skills2.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~kythik/images/skills3.jpg<div></div>

After seeing Kythiks pics I am now really looking forward to the combat changes, looks like almost all our skill got better. Just a couple of things Kythiks if it's not too much trouble 1) Did your HP go up with the combat changes and by about how much? 2) Any idea what the "Increase Blur Vision of Target" does on Deceit and Rapid Throw? 3) And what is the "resist chance decrease by" mean, is that the chance it will work? <div></div>

    1) Not by too much i will have to grab the #'s later     2)Waiting for a real answer to what blur does still.     3) mitigation for stuns. they dont always work. <div></div>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> We are waiting on some system-wide changes to take place before adjusting Sneak to scale appropriately.<BR> <P><BR><FONT color=#999999>Ryan "Blackguard" Shwayder</FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>38 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A></DIV>

<P>wow [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is this? I see NOTHING good out of there but like.. 2 spells. </P> <P> </P> <P>ur aware how insanely stupid the new ruse line has became? Increases threat priority by 2 point.. CMON!! </P> <p>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <span class=date_text>08-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 PM</span>

<blockquote><hr>Kirmatt wrote: <P>wow [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is this? I see NOTHING good out of there but like.. 2 spells. </P> <P> </P> <P>ur aware how insanely stupid the new ruse line has became? Increases threat priority by 2 point.. CMON!! </P> <p>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <span class=date_text>08-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Any constructive suggestions or alternatives to offer, Kirmatt?

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kirmatt wrote:<BR> <P>wow [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is this? I see NOTHING good out of there but like.. 2 spells. </P> <P> </P> <P>ur aware how insanely stupid the new ruse line has became? Increases threat priority by 2 point.. CMON!! </P> <P>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <SPAN class=date_text>08-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:54 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I guess I'm not seeing it.  Not positional (front) anymore and no FD.  Why is it bad now, from generating the hate?  I use Ruse mainly when soloing anyway.

<blockquote><hr>DanteCA wrote: ... 3) And what is the "resist chance decrease by" mean, is that the chance it will work? <hr></blockquote>I remember the way it works by putting 100% or 0% in there, then comparing it with the existing value.20% resist chance decrease (to me) would mean it would reduce the chance of a resist by 20%, meaning it should be unresisted 80% of the time.Of course, I could be way wrong. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But there's my first crack at explaining it.

<P>Being a raid brig. Threat priority is gonna be hella pain. I'd rather much see it have a DPS buff. or something like that. </P> <P> </P> <P>also the new ''beg for mercy'' that's such suicide. We're not a class meant to take dmg for others. Guardians have intervene.. and now us brigs have this? [Removed for Content]. Is it the same for plead for mercy?</P> <P> </P> <P>I like the dmg upped on deb. Subdue master dmg been upped A LOT too. The str on aegis isnt bad too. But besides that, it's pretty much crappy.. Look at the dmg craven delight does / shiv.. etc -- that's a royal nerf.</P> <p>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <span class=date_text>08-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:11 PM</span>

Our ability to drop agro is going to be huge after the combat update, the Plead for Mercy line is replaced Evasion, Shadow slip looks like it got improved and a 100% proc rate baffle in the form of Distract Adversaries looks really nice for when you do pull agro.  Plus Plead for Mercy will absorb one hit max before the mob losses agro due to Decrease threat it creates and it only lasts for 15 sec so it looks like it will just be used to get agro of a chanter or healer. Plus Debilitate got a what 1000% damage increase or something crazy like that, and it's mitigation debuff went up by 10-20% add in Murderous Rake with a magical mitigation debuff of 1100 and you just increased melee damage by 28% and magic damage by 22% on level 50 mobs and even against level 58 mobs that still something like 19% increase in magical damage.  I don't know about you but increasing the damage done by a warlock or wizard on a raid by 19%+ is going to make mages love Brigands. <div></div>

In my testing, I've found the reactive de-aggro arts, the proactive de-aggro arts, and the on-demand de-aggro arts work extremely effectively in single groups against multiple heroic mobs or single heroic mobs.There are times when the fit hits the shan, and it IS possible to recover, now.

<DIV>I normally really hate cross posting and consider it a big no-no but wanted to make sure you guys saw this.  A poster above posted his screenshots and now here are mine.  Please notice the difference between some of the tiers (Adept I versus Master I - look at the BIG jump on Subue for example).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>Here are my screenshots from today.  Level 50 Brigand, spells inspected unbuffed on Aug-5th-2005</P> <P>4 Pages of screenshots, large images, dial up users beware! <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0></P> <P><A href="http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1571/ss10ix.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1571/ss10ix.jpg</FONT></A></P> <P><A href="http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/7255/ss25ij.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/7255/ss25ij.jpg</FONT></A></P> <P><A href="http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/829/ss34am.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/829/ss34am.jpg</FONT></A></P> <P><A href="http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8457/ss46jz.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8457/ss46jz.jpg</FONT></A></P> <P>Thanks to ImageShack <A href="http://imageshack.us/" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://imageshack.us</FONT></A> for Free Image Hosting</P></DIV>

<P>ok the changes on snaring is good. The trait rake now is A BEAST.</P> <P> </P> <P>But still, check at our haste we can now knockback mob around? Amazing., dmg on regular arts all seem to have been dropped a lot in the exception of very few of 'em.</P> <P> </P> <P>Really am not pleased at all.</P>

<DIV> <DIV>For the group stealth, I think I'd rather have the crawl-walk back, instead of the recast time lasting longer than the duration does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The De-aggro spells look quite good, much better than what we currently have. /clap</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks like the Ruse line would no longer be popular in groups/raids. But still be viable in soloing/tanking. not sure i like that either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Waylay is a frontal only attack now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More later as I think about it.</DIV></DIV>

The Ruse line really isn't working properly at the moment, so you're not going to see much feedback about it.

<P>Maybe it's the way I play, maybe it's having played a day-1 eq1 rogue forever, or maybe I'm just stupid but...I very VERY rarely get aggro and when I do, it's too late, I'm dead.</P> <P>Therefore, I don't have much/any need for any de-aggro spells.  I can consistently keep up with other scouts on most fights (not ranged) and outperform all but our guild's nukingest warlocks/wizards every rare once in a while, but still never pull aggro.</P> <P>I'm just not impressed with half a dozen de-aggro spells for the sake of de-aggro.</P> <P> </P> <P>PS: I'm saying I don't have much need currently on the live servers...maybe with our other changes we will very soon need them.  I just hope I don't end up with a book full of the same de-aggro spells that I have now that go unused 99% of the time.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>