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<div></div>After I got level 50 I started trying to solo some, and I thought what the heck why not try Menagerie in Everfrost, its just single nameds..I managed to do it on 2nd attempt. I used this: Ring of Cold -> Piercing Icicles -> Ice comet -> Ball of fire -> Immolation -> Ball of fire -> Frozen Manacles -> Frozen Manacles -> Ring of Cold ...and then do the cycle again untill the mob is dead all my spells are adept3 xept Piercing Icicles ap4 and Ring of Cold adept1 Also soloed Vault of Flames and Maidens Gulch using this method and it works fine. Anyone else got some more instances like these 3 ? would be great to know since you can get really nice loot hope the info was useful <span>:smileywink:</span> Cheers Meca Wintermist 50 Wizard on Runnyeye Server Added: If I get resists on root I use stun or if Ive got some seconds left on current root I cast Truss and then recast the Frozen Manacles <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div><p>Message Edited by prog on <span class=date_text>05-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:33 PM</span>
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Real smart post Meca. It's posts that yours that will hold back on any fixes that wizzys sorely need in regards to grouping and raid mobs. The Devs will just take one look a this and go wizzys are fine, in fact they need to be nerfed! I don't know about you but frankly I don't think I can handle getting our roots nerfed just in time for the lose parry patch. Once again way to go! Here's that pat on the back you so obviously require!
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lol go hide somewhere mate, im sharing useful tips of our abilities, dont see why this would result in a nerf on the roots lol, if they needs to be nerfed im sure the devs is well aware of it grumpy <div></div>
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<DIV>First off, thanks for the tips Prog. I had personally phased out frozen manacle, thinking it useless, but I just might try looking at it again after hearing of your success.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As to the other guy, and all apologizes to Prog for derailing your thread, you are a dumb [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. Please stop whining and making all of us hard working and creative wizards look bad. Honestly, can you nuke full tilt in a group with a good tank? My spells are adept 3 and I can't. Ergo, I do not need more damage. All you whiners just need to face reality that the wizard is not supposed to be some God class where we are able to one shot every mob in the game. And yes, while there could be some minor tweaking with our ability to mitigate damage, that is more of an issue that affects every class in the game, and as such, isn't worth whining about either. Now please, quit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quixote, 45 wiz</DIV>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harke wrote:<BR> <DIV>First off, thanks for the tips Prog. I had personally phased out frozen manacle, thinking it useless, but I just might try looking at it again after hearing of your success.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As to the other guy, and all apologizes to Prog for derailing your thread, you are a dumb [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. Please stop whining and making all of us hard working and creative wizards look bad. Honestly, can you nuke full tilt in a group with a good tank? My spells are adept 3 and I can't. Ergo, I do not need more damage. All you whiners just need to face reality that the wizard is not supposed to be some God class where we are able to one shot every mob in the game. And yes, while there could be some minor tweaking with our ability to mitigate damage, that is more of an issue that affects every class in the game, and as such, isn't worth whining about either. Now please, quit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quixote, 45 wiz</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Get a new tank. I grouped with a lvl 44 Crusader today and am lvl 48. He had no problem holding aggro even when my DPS cleared 220. If you don't realise we have serious issues with our DPS at the endgame and raid mobs I suggest you go read Cogglesworth or this really well put together thread </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=10751" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=10751</A> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You might learn something useful rather than something that is going to get us nerfed. If you honestly think that being able to solo named mobs in those instances are what we are supposed to be able to do, then I think you are sadly mistaken. BTW FYI, I did not one star your post. That's not my style.</DIV>
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<P>"Real smart post Meca. It's posts that yours that will hold back on any fixes that wizzys sorely need in regards to grouping and raid mobs. The Devs will just take one look a this and go wizzys are fine, in fact they need to be nerfed! I don't know about you but frankly I don't think I can handle getting our roots nerfed just in time for the lose parry patch. Once again way to go! Here's that pat on the back you so obviously require! "</P> <P> </P> <P>Maby you should take a look at posts like this and realize you suck and should quit the game. But if you must stay thats fime you make the rest of us look soo good.</P> <DIV>How are they going to nerf us if we already suck in raids? Acording to your own post you dont even <U>HAVE</U> IC yet. One day when man has evolved into a plasma like superbeing and hell has been made safe because it froze over wizards will be fixed. Give it a while. Yes, we need to be fixed but dont try and make us all look bad till then.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Oh and BTW i took agro form a 50 guarding in PF today. My Immol can tottal in at around 2500 at lvl 45. What is your app1 doing sonny boy?</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Beghard on <SPAN class=date_text>05-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:16 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Beghard on <span class=date_text>05-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:17 AM</span>
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<DIV>You are clearing 220 dps and you want more? *boggle*</DIV>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harke wrote:<BR> <DIV>You are clearing 220 dps and you want more? *boggle*</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The 220 dps figure is from normal xping not raid mobs. Once again I reiterate please do go and read the thread I linked in my earlier post. It's not normal mobs wizards have dps issues on, but raid mobs. The great majority of raid mobs in the endgame are immune to cold and highly resistant to fire. This means we not only cannot use Ice Comet on them, but we cannot land any of our debuffs since they are cold based as well. Since the mobs are also highly resistant to fire and we cannot debuff them, the rest of our fire based spells hit for pittance. This is the issue that is troubling a lot of wizards in regard to our dps against endgame raid mobs.</P> <P>And to the other ill informed poster on this thread. I very much doubt anyone with app1s would be doing 220 DPS. If so I think I have wasted a whole lot of money on useless adept3s. Posts like the one the OP made, will only make SOE think we are overpowered and they will nerf our roots. There is another thread in Warlock forums which is generating a lot of controversy in that the said Warlock solo'd a groupx2 mob. That's another post that is rightfully asking for a nerf to the class, and once again it will be roots that are targetted. If you fail to see that, then I am sorry, I have done everything but draw you a picture.</P> <P> </P>
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I think the overall thing to be learned from this is:- "When something is good don't draw attention to it....."
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<DIV>Thing is, if a wizzy can solo ^^^ group x2 encounters, they need to be nerf, and probably it's the root that needs the nerf. Wizzies and warlocks on my server solo named without an afterthought. They do plenty of them, they do them safely, they do them quick. And they cash in bunch of loot. If you don't see where it's wrong, then i can't help you. Other classes might do them too, but not as safely, and certainly not as quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Something else is wrong in your post, Sorano. You say the problem that needs to be fixed with wizy is their dps vs high end raid mob that are very elemental resistant. I think you are right. But from here, you make the general assumption that wizards are underpowered, and from there, you say that those posts will make SOE mistake by thinking wizard are overpowered and get roots nerfed. As if unbreakable roots along with very efficient nukes weren't overpowered. I just want as proof the stacks of rubies and masters that sorcerers (wizies and warlocks alike) keep getting in there bags.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
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I use a similar spell chain when soloing, frozen menacles is a often overlooked root we have, long duration and it holds well. I've seen many classes solo ^^^ mobs (including wizards), it requires skill and patience. I get the feeling some of the wizzy whinners solution to their soloing problems is to get a bigger nuke, news flash you got more than just one spell in your spell book, I suggest you read it. When somone posts, "I can't solo solo blues, whah! warlocks are much better!" it only shows what of a [Removed for Content] player you are when many of us know we can solo, as the orginal poster shared with us, ^^^ mobs. How about concentrating on your solo skills rather than someone eleses. Surok lv 50 <div></div>
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<P>Go solo tundra jack's epic mob and post the screen shots or vid, otherwise STH up...</P> <P>You wont admit to there being way more power usage by wizzys then warlocks, nor will u admit to them having double the dps as us, yet were both suppose to be dps classes, i didnt create a wizzy to be a utility guy...</P> <P>You wont recognize that we get resisted against epic mobs way way way way to much vs warlocks, besides way less dps, besides twice the power usage...</P> <P>Your trying to justify warlocks not being overpowered vs wizzy with your lame attempt at killing a ^^. Go try tundra jack Now, try 30 times in a row... u will die everytime or be forced to run. and yes u will be out of power no matter what in combat mana replishmen t u have...</P> <P>Go kill tundra jack now then come baack with ss's otherwise get lost, your ruining it for wizzys...</P> <DIV>we want proof not you spouting off </DIV>
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<DIV>I find it very hard to believe that even at level 50 - any wizard could solo menagerie and the mob that spawns after you kill the caster in there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do not believe it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ring of Cold held the mob through all of those nukes........and then frozen manacles.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The aggro you would get and the fact that the dot would break the root is enough to know this does seem right--- I appreciate your story but it is not believeable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But to give you the benefit of the doubt--- what mobs did you say you solo'ed in menagerie.</DIV>
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The trick my friend is not dps, the trick to soloing tundra jack is running him around one of the ice outcroppings. I've seen other people do it (non warlocks), it's a pathing exploit. BTW, is 384 dps good enough for you? Thats my record but I consistantly get around 250-330 so you are telling me warlocks get around 650? <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> you're funny Surok lv 50 <div></div>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> suroktheslayer5 wrote:<BR>I use a similar spell chain when soloing, frozen menacles is a often overlooked root we have, long duration and it holds well. I've seen many classes solo ^^^ mobs (including wizards), it requires skill and patience. I get the feeling some of the wizzy whinners solution to their soloing problems is to get a bigger nuke, news flash you got more than just one spell in your spell book, I suggest you read it. When somone posts, "I can't solo solo blues, whah! warlocks are much better!" it only shows what of a [Removed for Content] player you are when many of us know we can solo, as the orginal poster shared with us, ^^^ mobs. How about concentrating on your solo skills rather than someone eleses.<BR><BR><BR>Surok lv 50<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I can not believe this post........please post screen shots of you soloing a triple up or even tundra jack.</P> <P>This is not true....LOL</P> <P>I have used the same combo and guess what it does not work at times.....</P> <P>Ring of Cold, Piercing Icicles (adept 3), immoliation (adept 3), ball of flames - RIGHT HERE in this part of the cycle the root breaks- ice comet, frozen manacles </P> <P>also piercing icicles get resisted quite a bit and even if it does it appears it is not enough to debuff many mobs as nukes are also resisted afterwards.</P> <P>I have resorted to casting 3 debuffs before casting nukes to make sure the nukes hit as high as possible and to avoid aggro.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hicarse wrote:<BR> <DIV>Thing is, if a wizzy can solo ^^^ group x2 encounters, they need to be nerf, and probably it's the root that needs the nerf. Wizzies and warlocks on my server solo named without an afterthought. They do plenty of them, they do them safely, they do them quick. And they cash in bunch of loot. If you don't see where it's wrong, then i can't help you. Other classes might do them too, but not as safely, and certainly not as quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Something else is wrong in your post, Sorano. You say the problem that needs to be fixed with wizy is their dps vs high end raid mob that are very elemental resistant. I think you are right. But from here, you make the general assumption that wizards are underpowered, and from there, you say that those posts will make SOE mistake by thinking wizard are overpowered and get roots nerfed. As if unbreakable roots along with very efficient nukes weren't overpowered. I just want as proof the stacks of rubies and masters that sorcerers (wizies and warlocks alike) keep getting in there bags.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not on my server----what rubies and masters are you talking about......</P> <P>Do any of you know what you are talking about................have you read all the other posts by wizards.</P> <P>If yor character is a wizard you would undertsand.</P> <P>This is amazing-----other classes attacking wizards because they think wizards are too powerful.</P> <P>No one is even reading these boards or bothering to look at other posts. </P> <P>Ice comet was resisted 12 times last night on mobs ranging from 40 to 50. Bouncer Hurd resisted ice comet and so did a evol conscript.</P> <P>After 2 debuffs.......ice comet adept 3.</P> <P>You people that are challenging any of these probelms --- just do not know what you are speaking of.</P> <P> </P> <P>220 DPS------- LOL......parse your DPS on a raid mob if you ever get to go to one...LOL</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>
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Luke Skywalker "I can't believe it!" Yoda "And that is why you fail..." Don't worry i got your screens coming Surok lv 50 wiz <div></div>
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I'm glad to see that there are at least a few of us that try to understand our class and not try to just be a Warlock clone. I'm personally glad that there is a descrepancy between our damage and Warlock damage. An equivalent class would negate the entire purpose of diversification and I would feel quite ripped off if the Wizard/Warlock split were the exact same while other splits such as Guardian/Berzerker were enjoyably different. And what is this fascination with killing Tundra Jack? Who cares?! <DIV>Lady, your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] envy needs to be controlled. We are not Warlocks. We have a lot of spells that Warlocks do not have. I like my class! I can not comprehend why you people who wish you had the power of Warlocks just become a Warlock! We wizards who appreciate our ability to do different things do not want you! You are not a representative example! Please stop talking!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quixote, 45 WIZARD</DIV><p>Message Edited by Harke on <span class=date_text>05-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 PM</span>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harke wrote:<BR> I'm glad to see that there are at least a few of us that try to understand our class and not try to just be a Warlock clone. I'm personally glad that there is a descrepancy between our damage and Warlock damage. An equivalent class would negate the entire purpose of diversification and I would feel quite ripped off if the Wizard/Warlock split were the exact same while other splits such as Guardian/Berzerker were enjoyably different. And what is this fascination with killing Tundra Jack? Who cares?! <DIV>Lady, your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] envy needs to be controlled. We are not Warlocks. We have a lot of spells that Warlocks do not have. I like my class! I can not comprehend why you people who wish you had the power of Warlocks just become a Warlock! We wizards who appreciate our ability to do different things do not want you! You are not a representative example! Please stop talking!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quixote, 45 WIZARD</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Harke on <SPAN class=date_text>05-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:34 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting as soon as someone has a different opinion than you, they have to quit since they are not a true representative of the class? Try using valid arguments instead of insults if you want to get your point across. I really would like to see what happens when you get to the endgame and find that you can't land your nukes or debuffs and are only left with mana feeding. So no DPS, no nuking, just standing there stunned, after using Vitalic Harvest to feed the healer. Do you honestly think you will be happy with that being a wizard's role in the majority of raids? I know I for one wouldn't be. I signed up to be a DPS class. That's the role I should have. A lot of the so called envy wizards have over the warlock class is that they don't face the same kind of resistances on raid mobs that we do. They are still doing awesome dps, while we are stuck just above priests. You will be lucky to do 60 DPS on the majority of raid mobs. That is the reality of the endgame wizards are facing. I strongly suggest you get your head out of the sand and and face it, and stop dismissing other people's very valid observations on the subject.<BR>
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<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> suroktheslayer5 wrote:<BR>I use a similar spell chain when soloing, frozen menacles is a often overlooked root we have, long duration and it holds well. I've seen many classes solo ^^^ mobs (including wizards), it requires skill and patience. I get the feeling some of the wizzy whinners solution to their soloing problems is to get a bigger nuke, news flash you got more than just one spell in your spell book, I suggest you read it. When somone posts, "I can't solo solo blues, whah! warlocks are much better!" it only shows what of a [Removed for Content] player you are when many of us know we can solo, as the orginal poster shared with us, ^^^ mobs. How about concentrating on your solo skills rather than someone eleses.<BR><BR><BR>Surok lv 50<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>A lot of the changes to combat that are on test at the moment are a direct result of classes being able to do things they shouldn't and trivialising encounters. Granted, this is mostly in regard to raid mobs, but I think it can safely be extended to normal heroic encounters too. I mean just look at us losing parry. The only reason that is happening is because SOE needed to nerf Templar tanking and they couldn't remove parry from the priest classes and let mages still have it without a huge uproar from priests. If you think it is right for anyone to solo a ^^^ or the named the OP is referring too, then you are in for a surprise. It's things like that that SOE will rush to nerf. It also detracts from us asking for any kind of resolution on things that are broken in our class, because it leaves people with the false impression that we are overpowered. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad. The wizard class by in large is fun to play and you don't start running into frustrating things till you approach the endgame and raid mobs. Since the majority of players aren't there yet, they won't know that there are things broken with the class.</DIV> <DIV>It is the responsiblity of people who are already at the endgame and raiding to point out the problems with the class and get it fixed. But threads like this only make getting any of the fixes we need harder, because it means people can just point at this thread and say, 'Quit your whining already. You can solo named mobs. There is nothing wrong with your class'.</DIV> <DIV>If that happens we will all end up losing.</DIV>
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Hehe Meca, kinda the same order i'm using <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Works very well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> KlopKlop Xanadu, RE server <div></div>
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<div></div><div></div>Thats exactly what I've been doin only I'm L48 .. can handle up to L46 Heroic atm . .as I get resists at bad times on L47 and up .. but it works and is better exp than solo L49 in Ever Frost. - When did they make Frozen manaicals work better? ... Tether/Truss are such a waste of time! Bluewizard.<p>Message Edited by Blue Mage on <span class=date_text>05-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:40 AM</span>
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I just don't get it. People complain that we have crappy dps at lv 50 and post, "I only 220 dps at lv 50" but I get around 320. People say we are terrible in raids but I manage to do the lion's share of damage and feed power at the same time. [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is wrong with you people?! Seriously the whinning is out of control. Here's a post of someone saying they can solo ^^^ mobs and all the whinners are dumbfounded and can't believe it. They refuse to believe cause it would disprove what they love to do most, whine. They are so wrapped up in their whinning and believe they suck that they don't even bother to push themselves into becoming better players. Heres the break down. We wizards do have awsome dps. We can do the most damage in a raid and feed power at the same time. Our roots do stick most of the time. We can solo epic mobs. If you disargee with that then you are doing something wrong and need to rethink your stratagy. Luke Skywalker "I can't believe it!" Yoda "And that is why you fail..." Surok lv 50 wiz <div></div>
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to those to who's talking bout x2 mobs and those who says this is not right me or any other wizzy never said anything about soloing x2 mobs, this is just single nameds that can be stunned and rooted, as I am lvl 50 adv and 21 sage .. I make as much money as a lvl 50 artisan do, if not less .. so plz stop saying this is wrong in any way, I put as much effort to earn my money as a 50 artisan does cheers <div></div>
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anyways, this wasnt supposed to be a discussion bout whats right, wrong, good or bad. I know the game is balanced so that you can make as much money from both paths, adv or artisan the meaning of this thread was supposed to be a good thing for us wizzies to share our tacts, zones and thoughts <div></div>
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This is believable. I doubt he does it with 100% success, or even 50%. I duo all these zones with a cleric. I basically use the same setup, cept all my spells are adept 3. I have 48 in combat regen (prismatic, cryptic boots -- suppose I could throw on gebs to hit 52 but no need really, robe of the invoker) The hardest one would be Maiden's Gulch, I think. That mob is just so [Removed for Content] big, and Immo/BoF/fire spells don't hit very well. The other problem is keeping enfeeble stuck on Dojorn in VOF.. last 2 times I've gone down there he's ice cometted me (which is one of the reasons I have a cleric buddy <span>:smileytongue:</span>). Also, not much room to move around, so if you get 1 resist on root you might be effed. Dojorn is probably the easiest, followed by Miragul's, then Maiden's. My biggest disadvantage to soloing these zones is a lack of in-combat health regen. This is one of the only reasons I still play my wizard, as I'm [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]e on raids... other than mana dumping and certain raids where my spells aren't resisted/nullified randomly. <div></div>
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<DIV>Just a quick question. Don't some of these mobs have epicx2 on them? I thought we couldn't use most roots and stuns on epic type though I have never tried. I was certain that the dragon in madians was epic though haven't ran back to check yet. Just curious.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ice</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
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<span><blockquote><hr>Iceheart wrote:<div></div> <div>Just a quick question. Don't some of these mobs have epicx2 on them? I thought we couldn't use most roots and stuns on epic type though I have never tried. I was certain that the dragon in madians was epic though haven't ran back to check yet. Just curious.</div> <div> </div> <div>Ice </div><hr></blockquote>Maidens gulch has different instances. Obviously they didnt do the one with the dragon <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>
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<P>oh, thanks for letting me know. Only been in the dragon one myself. But if it isnt epicx2 mobs, I dont really see anything big to worry about here. There is plenty of classes that can solo epicx2. Just doing names is nothing though the way some poeple were responding and linking this in other fourms you would of though he was talking about epic mobs. Should probably make that more clear when u post. And grats on your fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Ice</P>
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