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Balrok 08-08-2011 12:21 PM

<p><strong>ABILITIES / ALTERNATE ADVANCEMENT</strong></p><ul><li>Alternate advancements and other items/abilities that modify spells will now increase both the PVE and PVP versions of the spell.</li></ul><p>Congratulations on fixing something that you stated was functional with GU60 on JUNE 18th, 2011.  Why it takes you 51 days to fix something obviously not working is again beyond me.  Non-the-less it will be fixed soon and you are about to see the remaining PvP population disappear, unless you really... for once... focus on the PvP balance and gear and do something quick.  If missing jewlery/weapons are going to address the balance, get on it and release them already.  Current fighter/scouts function this way with their Autoattacks.... but that's not my class and I would rather play my class right then complain again about another classes DPS method.</p><p>If this wasn't considered the all time PvP/BG low... the release of DoV was with completely broken PvP combat.  Whoever attacked first, won.... it was like a first person shooter out there.  This fix will increase my base damage anywhere from 15% - 25% in PvP combat.  I imagine similar numbers will be seen with other mage types.  With current broken AA's in PvP... I really have no issues blowing someone up in a few seconds, so this change only will set us back to pre GU60 first person shooter style.  Did you fix this after doing some testing?  Or was it fixed cause you noticed they weren't working and went, <em>"oh crud, oops!  no testing at all is needed, fixed... done and done.  whew!"   </em>I'm on test... tell me what I can do to help you test this.  If I could fight myself, I'd share my findings... otherwise, there's no one there.</p><p>Mages are used to being scout/fighter speed bumps, so we don't have the glass egos most fighter/scouts do and are able to figure out ways to surive a lopsided world.  Once fighter/scouts start getting smoked by mages on a regular basis.... they'll rage quit... flaming and crying till their subscription ends.</p><p>I preordered something else yestereday.... gg SoE... gg.</p>

Fanatical 08-08-2011 01:30 PM

<p>If the PvP damage right now is only 25% of pre GU 60 than people would be dieing much faster.  TBH the only spike close to that is usualy Flurry + multi attack or spell double on PBs (which will do more damage after the update lol)</p>

Twinbladed 08-08-2011 07:09 PM

<p>Exur how is it you are the exception to the rule, an you can find ways to win, but other mages just want to put it on someone else, that really confuses me, A certain wizard with bb in his name is good but why do a lot of the rest complain, I watched a certain healer fight 6 people at one time easily, but other healers have excuses as to why they want even try to engage. Did soe make your enchanter better than everyone else's? It would almost seem that way. Anyways glad to see that issue actually fixed, but I am thinking with the mindstate of the actual players this game is going to head to the ground head first in pvp. Pve might survive, pvp isn't going to make it. </p><p>Respects for never not fighting.....</p>

Maergoth 08-08-2011 08:39 PM

<p>PVP isn't supposed to be balanced on an individual basis, because PVE isn't balanced on an individual basis. Crusaders can roll into a heroic dungeon at level and practically solo it. Mages and scouts can't do anything close.</p><p>The game has always been balanced around raiding, be it PVE or PVP. Pretty much every class is EXTRAORDINARILY USEFUL in a raid setting on PVP, even in battlegrounds.</p><p>ITT: OP complains about squishies being squishy. Make friends and roll with them. Threatening to switch games is ineffective against a company. They already have your money. Subscriptions cover maintenance, one less person is cheaper for them.</p><p>inb4 no population on pvp servers, etc</p>

Ayaka 08-09-2011 03:01 AM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I preordered something else yestereday.... gg SoE... gg.</p></blockquote><p>noooo! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> sad to hear.. was always fun to fight you, Exur.</p>

Balrok 08-09-2011 09:46 AM

<p><cite>Ayaka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>noooo! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> sad to hear.. was always fun to fight you, Exur.</p></blockquote><p>oops, this wasn't intended as a good bye post. I'm to stubborn and set in my ways to quit MMOs or realistically switch. What I do know is I waist $ on new ones, play for a week and then come back. The above was a vent that I did cause I wasn't happy with something.</p><p>My point of this thread was that I'm frustrated with how things have gone as of late. I mean, at the end of SF... were things really all that bad? I had high hopes for the changes, cause it meant better balance and better/easier testing. It just seems like again, nothing is tested. How do you not see global broken base damage/potency increase AA's? How do you not see that 2 of the 4 Blue Adornments you created specifically for PvP, don't actually work (Illusionist). If that's not a sign that you just copy/pasted effects from raid adorns without testing them in PvP... I'm not sure what is.</p><p>so, I'm ok with them finally being fixed.. but adding more DPS to PvP combat isn't really what is needed most. Anyway, good times.</p>

Fanatical 08-09-2011 12:34 PM

<p>It's ok , Exur I'm still here for you!</p>

Balrok 08-09-2011 11:51 PM

<p><span ><span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span><strong>PLAYER HOUSING</strong></span></p><ul><li>Fixed an issue where custom walls/floors were not displaying correctly.</li></ul><p>Woot!  Glad that hit test today.  Bet it goes live before any PvP changes.  I think housing rubes are a lot better at /petition, /bug and /feedback then PvPers.  Only thing I can think of, cause there is NO WAY fixing cosmetics is higher on the totem pole then game mechanics.</p><p>oops.. I forgot house vote/ranking system coming soon.  Interior design is serious business!</p>

Greggthegrmreapr 08-10-2011 09:47 AM

<p>Exur, you know as well as I do that they have given up on PvP.  They have already said that PvE is their main focus and they will get to PvP when they can.</p>

Balrok 08-10-2011 11:32 AM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They have already said that PvE is their main focus and they <strong>will get to PvP when they can</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Can someone dig this up and tell me when and how they stated this.  Obviously it's true, but I want so see the actual SoE statement acknowledging it.  PvE has Battle Grounds... that is where we need to drive our PvP requests.  But the continues housing and station market junk being rammed down our throats without any priority given to fixing PVP/Battle Grounds is just beyond ridiculous. </p><p>Forget PvP combat issues... look at the Battle Ground match maker.  I again found myself joining in the middle on no side (bug) last night.  How long does it take to freak'n fix an obvious bug?  Are we going on month 3 or 4 of this?</p><p>... and just for another reminder, currently (live) two of my four PvP Blue Adornments don't work at all.  That's a confirmed copy/paste effect from PvE with zero PvP testing.  Heck, that's not even examing the spell to see the adorment work (5 seconds at most worth of work?).  The items were specifically released for PvP...  good lord</p>

29 08-10-2011 12:54 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They have already said that PvE is their main focus and they <strong>will get to PvP when they can</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Can someone dig this up and tell me when and how they stated this.  Obviously it's true, but I want so see the actual SoE statement acknowledging it.  PvE has Battle Grounds... that is where we need to drive our PvP requests.  But the continues housing and station market junk being rammed down our throats without any priority given to fixing PVP/Battle Grounds is just beyond ridiculous. </p><p>Forget PvP combat issues... look at the Battle Ground match maker.  I again found myself joining in the middle on no side (bug) last night.  How long does it take to freak'n fix an obvious bug?  Are we going on month 3 or 4 of this?</p><p>... and just for another reminder, currently (live) two of my four PvP Blue Adornments don't work at all.  That's a confirmed copy/paste effect from PvE with zero PvP testing.  Heck, that's not even examing the spell to see the adorment work (5 seconds at most worth of work?).  The items were specifically released for PvP...  good lord</p></blockquote><p>...dont have the link. but i can 100% confirm, that this statement was made. i think it was our pvp dev and it went something like: "our focus is on pve atm and i was moved to help out in the pve department"</p><p>i feel your pain exur. i am only playing this game for pvp. so much potential and all they talk about is housing, mounts and other "sims" stuff...</p><p>well at least there are some good pvp grp fights to be found thanks to you replaced guys.</p><p>@soe: please fix the lvl 90 in 30ies bg bug. yesterday 2 separate purity grps queued for gears to duel (all lvl90) and we all got mentored to 30... this happened 4 times in a row.</p><p>balancer / exquisitor (purity)</p>

Balrok 08-10-2011 01:07 PM

<p><cite>29 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>well at least there are some good pvp grp fights to be found thanks to you <strong>replaced guys</strong>.</p><p>balancer / exquisitor (purity)</p></blockquote><p>ahh.. I didn't know Balancer was you.  Nice</p><p>We need to recruit more chicks.... not that I desire drama, but it's a daily sausage fest on vent.  Purity had a pretty decent chick to dude ratio, which was nice.  Don't tell my wife I just said this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

Owwiee 08-10-2011 02:52 PM

<p>  "...dont have the link. but i can 100% confirm, that this statement was made. i think it was our pvp dev and it went something like: "our focus is on pve atm and i was moved to help out in the pve department"</p><p>Saw this statement a few weeks ago myself.  It was sent in a PM to one of my guildies by the PVP Dev.  Basicly all devs have been refocused on PVE issues for the time being.  If i'm not mistaken it was posted in the thread that was locked then deleted by a Mod that made statements about our Dev being fired blaa  blaa blaa</p>

Crismorn 08-10-2011 03:05 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>29 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>well at least there are some good pvp grp fights to be found thanks to you <strong>replaced guys</strong>.</p><p>balancer / exquisitor (purity)</p></blockquote><p>ahh.. I didn't know Balancer was you.  Nice</p><p>We need to recruit more chicks.... not that I desire drama, but it's a daily sausage fest on vent.  Purity had a pretty decent chick to dude ratio, which was nice.  Don't tell my wife I just said this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>We need deeps and women cant parse : /</p><p>agreed with the whole sausage party comment, except maybe drama is a...</p>

Owwiee 08-10-2011 03:46 PM

<p>We playing the same game?  Dudes cause just as much drama as the women. </p>

Twinbladed 08-10-2011 04:15 PM

<p>True Men do go all dramatic sometimes lol, but the difference is they rage quit an go do something else, an women usually lose sleep over it.</p>

GussJr 08-10-2011 04:34 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>True Men do go all dramatic sometimes lol, but the difference is they rage quit an go do something else, an women usually lose sleep over it.</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

Ilovecows 08-10-2011 08:01 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>  "...dont have the link. but i can 100% confirm, that this statement was made. i think it was our pvp dev and it went something like: "our focus is on pve atm and i was moved to help out in the pve department"</p><p>Saw this statement a few weeks ago myself.  It was sent in a PM to one of my guildies by the PVP Dev.  Basicly all devs have been refocused on PVE issues for the time being.  If i'm not mistaken it was posted in the thread that was locked then deleted by a Mod that made statements about our Dev being fired blaa  blaa blaa</p></blockquote><p>Yes that was my thread that I created.  Apparently a metaphor about how we had not recieved any dev changes in well over a month, would be taken the wrong way and deliver you threats and angry words.  Atleast I found the answer i was looking for.</p><p>SOE doesn't care at all about pvp.  They are making everyone work on pve.  They are going to ignore pvp and just let it die a slow and painful death.</p>

Owwiee 08-11-2011 09:23 AM

<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">From:</span></span></td><td colspan="2" width="100%"><span><a class="nav" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=307626"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #ffcc33; font-size: x-small;">Olihin</span></span></strong></a></span></td></tr><tr><td><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">To:</span></span></td><td colspan="2" width="100%"><span><a class="name" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=208540"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #ffcc33; font-size: x-small;">Owwiee</span></span></a><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;"> </span></span></td></tr><tr><td><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">Date:</span></span></td><td colspan="2" width="100%"><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">08/10/2011 12:17:03</span></span></td></tr><tr><td><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">Subject:</span></span></td><td width="100%"><span><span style="color: #afc2d2; font-size: x-small;">PvP Issues Inquiry</span></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" valign="top"><span><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Greetings,</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Can you please make me a list of bugs that you see need to be addressed?</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Please try to not put in flavor text, since I will be forwarding the information to our new lead. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Thank you very much!</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: x-large;">Olihin</span></p></span></td></tr></tbody></table>

Owwiee 08-11-2011 09:25 AM

<p>I refered him to PvP'rs who know way more about game mechanics than I do.  I'm too far out of the loop at this point to offer any viable inputs.</p>

Balrok 08-11-2011 10:10 AM

<p>ah man.. and here I thought I was special in receiving this Private Message.  I've already responded with "my list".</p>

Owwiee 08-11-2011 10:30 AM

<p>You ARE "special"!!</p>

Greggthegrmreapr 08-11-2011 11:39 AM

<p>I got that too, but haven't made the list yet.<span ></span></p>

Ilovecows 08-11-2011 12:29 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I refered him to PvP'rs who know way more about game mechanics than I do.  I'm too far out of the loop at this point to offer any viable inputs.</p></blockquote><p>You didn't refer me though?  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  i'm hurt</p>

Owwiee 08-11-2011 04:01 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I refered him to PvP'rs who know <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">way more about game mechanics than I do</span></span></strong>.  I'm too far out of the loop at this point to offer any viable inputs.</p></blockquote><p>You didn't refer me though?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />  i'm hurt</p></blockquote><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

29 08-12-2011 09:51 AM

<p>now this is really good news! pvp dev asking the pvp vets <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>...and yes exur. purity is op in terms of women quantity and</p><p>judging by our "rl pic thread" also op in terms of women quality.</p><p>...and no davionxx. replaced dont need more dps... hard enough to</p><p>heal through that drozag, dryken, exur etc. taunt-immune assist train.</p>

Sprin 08-12-2011 01:43 PM

<p><cite>GussJr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>True Men do go all dramatic sometimes lol, but the difference is they rage quit an go do something else, an women usually lose sleep over it.</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Men rage quit and come back the next day as if nothing ever happened.  Women never forget, never stop bringing it up and never stop acting on what happened to them 3 years ago on one raid night on a particular mob... blah blah blah... drama queens</p>

GussJr 08-12-2011 02:05 PM

<p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>GussJr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>True Men do go all dramatic sometimes lol, but the difference is they rage quit an go do something else, an women usually lose sleep over it.</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Men rage quit and come back the next day as if nothing ever happened.  Women never forget, never stop bringing it up and never stop acting on what happened to them 3 years ago on one raid night on a particular mob... blah blah blah... drama queens</p></blockquote><p>Get a bad girlfriend? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Some of us don't get mad, we just one-shot you, smile and then get on with our day. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>


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