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heha33 12-15-2006 07:31 PM

<DIV>Well was taking a look at how much arrows are really costing me and what i found was quite unreal and kinda upset me.</DIV> <DIV>I usually work nights so the nights i do have off i usually raid so i dont really have alot of time to make any extra cash except for little masters that take forever to sell, so i go through arrows like mad. I carry a 16 slot quiver  which is about 1580 arrows, and i dont have a fabled arrow summoning bow and i have yet been able to afford or loot the reclaimed m1 yet . As every ranger knows this only take about the good part of an hour and a half or so into a raid night to go through, so they dont last long at all.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So if u take the adamantine arrows from vendors they are like 6 silver an arrow</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6 x 99 = 594 silver which in return is about 6 gold</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6 x 16 = 96 gold  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thats almost a plat to get about 2 hours worth of raiding along with struggling to to get top 5 or so on the dps charts.... and this is all excluding poisons...to my knowledge there is no other class that has to spend so much just to function properly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is slowly eating away at my will to play knowing that im in a round about circle with making a lil money and spending all of it on arrows so i can raid the next day. I know there have been numerous posts on this subject but by now something should have been done because it truley is getting ridiculous.  As a ranger using bows as our PRIMARY form of damage dealing i would think there would be a way to get arrows cheaper than other classes or at least get something like unlimited arrows aa, or make more arrow summoning bows or raise the reclaimed skill to maybe a stack a summon and change the recast time or SOMETHING. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So anywho just wanted to get that out from my well kept to self...if anyone else has any comments or anything that would be cool.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a great Day</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hehaheha 70th Ranger of <U>Ascension</U></DIV> <DIV>Butcherblock</DIV>

Nulad 12-15-2006 07:40 PM

Yah,I end up hunting with tin arrows and saving all my reclaimed ones for raid/group useage. Way way way to costly otherwise <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I was invited on a RAID by my brother the other night and refused, when he asked me why I explained about how much it would cost me to come along and he just couldn't quite believe it.The whole reclaimed line needs to have it's numbers upped significantly.<div></div>

Gareorn 12-15-2006 08:01 PM

<DIV>I think we are our own worst enemy here.  Some of us have been raiding pretty regular for over a year and have been complaining about this for over a year.  At the same time, many of us who don't raid regularly, continue to state that there isn't a problem with arrow usage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So we now have a solution with the EoF AA tree.  We can put AA points into a skill that will double our reclaimed arrow output.  The only problem is that the people who would benefit from this is the raiders.  But, no raider in his/her right mind is going to choose more free arrows over a skill that will increase their DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We should have been more specific when we asked for a fix on arrow consumption.</DIV>

Nulad 12-15-2006 08:06 PM

Maybe, but even without raiding I go through way more arrows than I can get for free, plus even the doubling via EoF AA wont fix the problem for a Raiding Ranger.<div></div>

nirav21 12-15-2006 08:26 PM

<P>Its a pretty good idea to put aa points into the Backup quiver. Even if you raid.</P> <P>Since after do poisions let say 15 and put about 20 in Multishot since i dunt think u wana put em in Steam of arrows.</P> <P>There isnt really others left. Maybe focusing but to get to that you have to waste points into defensive stance or traping. Which also doesnt help dps.... </P> <P>So might as well put em in Backup quiver since more T7 arrows = more dps. </P>

Lev 12-15-2006 09:20 PM

Yes in my opinion this is our bigges issue. Yea alot bigger than the DPS issue going around. In the end it is possible for a ranger to be within reach of an assasin and I don't even want to go into this.Arrows Arrows Arrows. yea it is not unusual to spend about 2k arrows on a raid, and I even find I spend about 1k arrows on a normal heroic instance (of course this depends).to make this a bit clearer, for a ranger to be able to support his/her raiding with makeshift arrows he/she would have to spend adept 1 - 9 hours and 30 minutes = 2000 arrowsadept 3 - 7 hours and 20 minutes = 2000 arrowsMaster 1 - 5 hours and 30 minutes =2000 arrowsthe numbers are ca. but even with a master we are talking over 5 hours of no adventuring just doing nothing but using your reclaimed skill to be able to do a raid, or hunt for 1 day. This is extreme and is very unfair. No other classes have this kind of arrow usage, no other class is dependant on arrows to function, no other class need to spend over 50% of their gametime gathering arrows. Also if you get the AAs for it you can halve those times, and that helps alot, but as earlier said most rangers will have a hard time leaving a dps benefiting ability to get more arrows.This in effect nerf our class in other areas as well. It means we make less money, we get less xp, we have less chance of getting masters or loot that can benefit us. Cause all of these other things involve spending time on it, time we have to spend gathering arrows. And you can claim that we should buy them, then we spend money and money = time to add to this money = time using arrows. In other words having ends meet is hard then too. This is a balance issue that affects all rangers, not just raiders, pvpers, groupers, or soloers.And to add to the whole issue is the space it takes. It is not unusal for a ranger to keep 2-3 quivers or backpacks full of arrows on them at all times. Which in effect means we fill up our inventory quicker and in effect can lead to less loot or more time spent on going to vendor/broker which in effect means less money.And don't come with the "we should be glad quivers exist, we used to have to equip every 99 arrows" I was here when this was the reality and yea that sucked, but this ain't all that good either.1 Quivers should have more slots, more slots than 32 slot boxes, after all there is only one type of items that go into them. 2 arrow summoning line should give more arrows, ALOT more arrowsthe only workaround that currently exist is having one of the 2 DT bows, which then gives you<div></div>Ichor/Bazkul - 1 hour and 50 minutes = 2000 arrowsthe only problem is that both these bows drop from mobs in a raid zone that is very hard.Now I am not saying every ranger should have t8 ammo, but I really think all rangers should be able to support their own usage without having to spend countless arrows or multiple plats.As I allready said IMO this is the biggest issue with rangers atm, screw all the dps complaining, fact is if you work hard enough and find out how to use your class to the fullest you can do better than most. And yea I still think there is a big lack in bows in this game, and to think there are more shield models than there are bow models is kind of disturbing, (as of now there are only 4 differnet bow models, if you count shortbow, and 2 of them are very new and only on fabled bows). I am not saying the model of the bow is a make or break, but it just shows us even more how we have a lower priority than most. Or at least it feels that way.Sorry didn't mean to rant at the end there, but I couldn't help myself. My 2 copper

Caliga 12-15-2006 09:21 PM

The first time I realized my arrows cost over a plat I sat in front of the merchant and wept like a little girl, but she wouldn't go down on the price.   <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

Mirdo 12-15-2006 09:55 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>nirav21 wrote:<div></div> <p>Its a pretty good idea to put aa points into the Backup quiver. Even if you raid.</p> <p>Since after do poisions let say 15 and put about 20 in Multishot since i dunt think u wana put em in Steam of arrows.</p> <p>There isnt really others left. Maybe focusing but to get to that you have to waste points into defensive stance or traping. Which also doesnt help dps.... </p> <p>So might as well put em in Backup quiver since more T7 arrows = more dps. </p><hr></blockquote>I think ignoring the focus line is a bad move for a raiding raider but each to their own <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Even without Ichor to summon I doubt I would have placed any points in the summon ability.Mirdo.</div>

Peadar2 12-15-2006 10:36 PM

<DIV>/bump, Come on SOE fix this! having an issue with getting arrows is one of the dumbest things ever in this game, completely pointless and serves no purpose other than to make the Ranger gaming more frustrating!</DIV>

Caliga 12-15-2006 11:07 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Peadar2 wrote:<div>/bump, Come on SOE fix this! having an issue with getting arrows is one of the dumbest things ever in this game, completely pointless and serves no purpose other than to make the Ranger gaming more frustrating!</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, if there were an endless arrow quiver I would buy it even if it was 10plat.  Why?  Because that would probably save me about 30plat between now and 70 and god forbid I ever decide to raid.</div>

Culgar 12-15-2006 11:14 PM

I mean this cost would be PERFECTLY acceptable if different arrows made significant differences in DPS, or if we were back up at T1 dps   (before any raiders say they are T1 dps, an afk wizard can usually equal a ranger sweating in effort throwing poisons and arrows with wanton abandon) But there's no flipp'n reason to have us have LIMITED ammo and still not a terrorfying source of DPS.  <div></div>

Zholain 12-15-2006 11:49 PM

<div><blockquote><hr><font size="2">RabbitFly wrote:Arrows Arrows Arrows. yea it is not unusual to spend about 2k arrows on a raid, and I even find I spend about 1k arrows on a normal heroic instance (of course this depends).</font><hr></blockquote><font size="2">LOL   Try running HoF, and then Obelisk or Crypt in the afternoon, then raid that night.  You might make it through the night, but you'll be out of luck the next day.  Unless you were carrying 6 bags + 1 quiver full of nothing but arrows, you can't function the next day without spending 5 or 6 plat on arrows from the vendor.  It's incredibly frustrating.</font></div>

Sannavekk 12-16-2006 12:06 AM

<P>What bugs me is that, finally after raiding hundreds of times I got the ichorstrand bow that summons ammo. It does 99 every 5 minutes so it's a big saver of money.</P> <P>Too bad he bow itself is terrible. I still use the Grizzfazzle's as my bow with the ichor ammo. I assume it'll be hundreds of more hours before I have a good damage bow.</P> <P>Anyhow ina  non raid situation you'll see me using only caress of the banshee poison off the vendor for da cheap. I don't break out the good stuff (Grandmaster;s all 3  until a raid)So what bothers me is that as a class which seems to offer little else than dps to a Raid group has to spend <STRONG>mega bucks</STRONG> and get <STRONG>super rare fabled dr</STRONG>ops just to compete.</P> <P>All this so i can maybe get in the top 7 on the parse behind the 2k dps Necros Conjs and Assassins and the slightly lower Wizzies and Warlocks.</P> <P>Don't want to seem as if I am just whining. I really love the play style of the Ranger. I am just sad. seriously. I feel i have mastered the toon for it's top potential. I used to always top the dps rankings. I'm continuosly experimenting with ways to increase my dps..but I see myself fall farther and farther behind. I feel so worthless ina  raid. Maybe they'll let me surveil pull a mob :-/ </P> <P>approx. 50 gold on poisons or trying to cajole a guildie to make some for free and then I am mediocre. So basically I play my Fury at raids and break out the ranger for fun in groups occasionally.</P><p>Message Edited by Sannavekk on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 AM</span>

kartikeya 12-16-2006 12:59 AM

<P>I tend to raid about two or three nights a week. When I'm not raiding, I'm almost always dinking around solo with quests. I almost never group. A lot of the time, I'm just screwing around and doing nothing productive.</P> <P>Plenty of time to summon arrows, yeah?</P> <P>I am <EM>still</EM> running low, unless I literally sit online all freaking day and hit the summon button every time it comes up. When I have to buy arrows to make up for a shortage it makes me ill. I'm not exactly made of money, and poisons alone are killing my bank account.</P> <P>I agree with what was said above. IF I could do awesome DPS and come even close to outmatching, say, oh, SUMMONERS, I wouldn't complain nearly so much. Lately I've been farming on alts almost solely because I'm hurting that much for money. Half a plat or more for poisons, a plat or more for arrows, every single night I wanna raid, and all of that and I'm routinely outdone in damage by summoners, wizards, assassins, and sometimes brigands. And not by a little either...when I'm happy to break 1200, the necro hits 2k+ routinely. It's very, very irking to break the bank just trying to keep a place on the rankings, and to still be so incredibly outdone in every single field, from DPS to utility, by classes that often don't have to pay for anything but food and drink. </P> <P>I really love playing my ranger. I've got a huge range of alts and not one of them appeals to me as much as she does. But man, is it ever frustrating at the exact same time.</P>

BSbon 12-16-2006 01:38 AM

i did a small group last night and by the end i was down 900 arrows. maybe 1 hour worth of play. i have the 62 M1 summon spell. the solution is not more arrows per summon. i already sacrifice 1 bag slot with a quiver and i dont want to lose more loot space for more arrows. they should eliminate arrow consumption on CAs and should only use arrows on auto attack.

Lev 12-16-2006 02:57 AM

Bongo makes an extremely good point, for many reasons.First off this would counter the issue with inventory space somewhat. Second off this would counter the extreme usage of arrows somewhat. And why the heck are we paying 6s or time to do one arrow attack, that is not affected by the arrow what so ever. yea you can look at it the logical way, how can we shoot an arrow we don't have. But if to loose some sense of realism is what we need to do then by god loose it. Having to carry 10k arrows around isn't overly realistic either. However with just auto attack (in pure numbers) you still use around 120-150 arrows per 10min, which is alot more than any (again excluding the DT bows) summon spell can summon. Yea this would cut down the timesink ALOT, only having to carry around arrows for auto-attack makes a ton of a difference, but I still say give us a bit more on the summon spells and slightly bigger quivers. The reason is I don't want to see something be half fixed, however I would take the "CAs no longer require arrows" with arms wide open, and a crying heart for gods sake.There is one problem in all of this, and that is the woodworkers, but then again the crafted arrows are worthless, because vendor arrows are still cheaper. I don't know how they should fix woodworking in that sens, but then again they might not. They allready have totems and that is enough consumables isn't it?the bottomline is something needs to be done, it simply is not fair as I have showed with numbers on my previous post. I think I am leaning against bongo's solution atm, because it fixes so much with such a little change. Kinda make things simpler instead of complicating it (like my solution earlier).<div></div>

Gerdos 12-16-2006 03:25 AM

<P>Arrow consumption is the biggest issue for rangers in game atm.</P> <P>RabbitFly's post is really informative.   Gives you a very good breakdown of time:supply.</P> <P>The new AA Enhance: Backup quiver is a very nice AA.   With 5 points, you can cut down your time by 50%.   The question is, how many would be prepared to do it, at the cost of some dps.   Well, i guess that depends on how much of a raider you are, your own arrow supply problems .. and the funds you have.   I'd recommend getting this for any raider having issues with arrow supply.  Its a temporary fix until you can get 1 of the DT bows.  At M1, reclaimed arrows and 5 points into Enchanced: Backup Quiver (60 arrows @ 5mins) will put you closer to the lvl of of a DT bows (99 arrows @ 5mins).  You can always /respec your AA once you get a DT bow.</P> <P>Some reminders, just keep spamming arrow supply, each time its up.  Even when your quiver is full, keep spamming it.  Store some in your bank or house vault.  Go with the biggest size quiver you can get.   There's no restrictions on your characters level as to which quiver you can get.   Dont have to buy adamantine arrows all the time.  There's other tier arrows (not just cheap tin, at half the cost of adamantine) available to buy/use for soloing/grouping.   Buying a stack of adamantine is equivalent to getting 1 adept1 loot.   Making money is very easy from vendor loot from general play, whether your soloing or grouping.  Don't complain about arrow supply, if all you do is come online for raids.   You need to put some effort into working on other areas of the game, which is a good opportunity to build up your arrow supply/funds.  </P> <P>Keep pushing your guild to raid DT.   Hard to know for sure if they have increased drop rate on  bows, but in my experience, we had Bazkul drop for 4 weeks straight, leading up to EoF release.  We havent been back since, but going in again today.  (6x bazkul, 3x ichorstrand, 2x recurved heartsinger, 1x dragonhorn recurve, 0 sarnak/corruption is our guilds experience during KoS)</P> <P>The issue  for arrow supply, only applies to raiding rangers.   Casual players need not worry.</P> <P>(DPS in another topic and i'd prefer if it wasnt referred to in this thread.   There's countless threads on DPS.   For the record, DPS is no longer an issue in EoF for rangers ... period.)</P> <P> </P>

kidpaul 12-16-2006 03:29 AM

How about sony adding a system to the game that makes other classes like tanks and primary melee casters having to sharpen their weapon every now and then and mend their shield maybe then other classes realize that being a ranger that has to fork out alot of plat on just maintaining your normal dmg would make them react. I mean a tank that has to haul around 24 different shield just to play a couple of hours would probably be a nice lessons for other players. and not to meantion assassin and other duel wielders would have to run around with atleast 48 different weapons now that would be something to laugh about.<div></div>

Nulad 12-16-2006 04:11 AM

<div><blockquote><hr>Gerdos wrote:<div></div> <p>Arrow consumption is the biggest issue for rangers in game atm.</p> <p>RabbitFly's post is really informative.   Gives you a very good breakdown of time:supply.</p> <p>The new AA Enhance: Backup quiver is a very nice AA.   With 5 points, you can cut down your time by 50%.   The question is, how many would be prepared to do it, at the cost of some dps.   Well, i guess that depends on how much of a raider you are, your own arrow supply problems .. and the funds you have.   I'd recommend getting this for any raider having issues with arrow supply.  Its a temporary fix until you can get 1 of the DT bows.  At M1, reclaimed arrows and 5 points into Enchanced: Backup Quiver (60 arrows @ 5mins) will put you closer to the lvl of of a DT bows (99 arrows @ 5mins).  You can always /respec your AA once you get a DT bow.</p> <p>Some reminders, just keep spamming arrow supply, each time its up.  Even when your quiver is full, keep spamming it.  Store some in your bank or house vault.  Go with the biggest size quiver you can get.   There's no restrictions on your characters level as to which quiver you can get.   Dont have to buy adamantine arrows all the time.  There's other tier arrows (not just cheap tin, at half the cost of adamantine) available to buy/use for soloing/grouping.   Buying a stack of adamantine is equivalent to getting 1 adept1 loot.   Making money is very easy from vendor loot from general play, whether your soloing or grouping.  Don't complain about arrow supply, if all you do is come online for raids.   You need to put some effort into working on other areas of the game, which is a good opportunity to build up your arrow supply/funds.  </p> <p>Keep pushing your guild to raid DT.   Hard to know for sure if they have increased drop rate on  bows, but in my experience, we had Bazkul drop for 4 weeks straight, leading up to EoF release.  We havent been back since, but going in again today.  (6x bazkul, 3x ichorstrand, 2x recurved heartsinger, 1x dragonhorn recurve, 0 sarnak/corruption is our guilds experience during KoS)</p> <p>The issue  for arrow supply, only applies to raiding rangers.   Casual players need not worry.</p> <p>(DPS in another topic and i'd prefer if it wasnt referred to in this thread.   There's countless threads on DPS.   For the record, DPS is no longer an issue in EoF for rangers ... period.)</p> <hr></blockquote>You're wrong, arrow supply is a concern for everyone, I have only ever raided once and have arrow issues, and why the hell should I have to hunt to pay for my dps, no other class does, if you're that happy about it then please send me some plat.</div>

Gerdos 12-16-2006 04:43 AM

<P></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Actually, i'm right.  Arrow problem is only a concern for raiding rangers.   Nuladen, If your having problems with arrow supply, your just being lazy.  Crafting, harvesting, questing, exploring, all give enough downtime to build up your arrow supply.   Soloing, grouping will eat away at your supply, but not enough that you can't easily replenish.</P> <P>mmmm, "social welfare" comfortable for you?</P>

Nulad 12-16-2006 04:54 AM

Actually, you're wrong. I rarely craft or harvest because I enjoy neither, this is a game I play for enjoyment not to be able to fight properly. No other class has to spend time crafting or harvesting just so they can aquire ammo. Laziness doesn't come into it and your opinion is just that, an opinion which I, and many others I'd suspect will disagree with.Just because you play that way doesn't mean everybody else should.You might also want to take a good long look at the tone of your reply, it's condescending and offensive.<div></div>

Gerdos 12-16-2006 05:21 AM

<P><BR>I dont craft either, and stopped harvesting very early on in T7 ... but, even in your case, questing, exploring, soloing, grouping, would not be enough to become an issue if you reguarly spam your summoning arrows.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P></P> <HR> Nuladen wrote:<BR><BR>You might also want to take a good long look at the tone of your reply, it's condescending and offensive.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It should be, and it was meant to be . . but your reponce left yourself open to it.</P> <P><BR> </P>

TaleraRis 12-16-2006 05:37 AM

<div><blockquote><hr>Gerdos wrote:<div></div><p>The issue  for arrow supply, only applies to raiding rangers.   Casual players need not worry.</p> <hr></blockquote>I'm a soloing ranger who plays nearly every day. I use arrows while I'm out questing. I have issues keeping arrows in my quiver just as a raiding ranger does. It's even worse if I join a group. Unless I take a day off in the week, I end up having to buy from the vendor or from the broker. So no, it's not just a raiding issue. Casual players do need to be concerned with arrow supply.</div>

LoreLady 12-16-2006 05:39 AM

Heres the problem and delema sony faces.. We have to keep rangers happy, we have to keep Woodworkers happy, we have to prioritize what we are doing.. So, heres what is currently on there "to do lists".1:Fixing taunts2: Fixing EoF bugs3: Doing the new armor system4: Class ballance5: Somewhere WAYYY down at the bottom.. Fixing cost of arrows, so that arrows are viable for the woodworker to make and sell that arent just merchent fodder, and making arrows so that they arent costly to rangers but yet will make the woodworker a good coin if they sell to others..I <u>personally</u> think that sony should come out with afew types of arrows.. 1: Elemental errows that are t8 arrows with the damage being in a perticular element2: Extra agro arrows (lets be realistic, how often to fighters etc use bows)3: The bullet - shoots through epic mobs and the entire raidparty while all the phat loots are yours! (note the sarcasm.. GOD PLEASE NOTE THE SARCSASM)Sarcasm aside - not consuming arrows per CA and having the woodworker still make 25 arrows per combine would greatly help our cause, as well as making any kind of t8 arrow - to ballance where rangers/assassins are at the 50 aa line in KoS.. The main problem with any ranged feature - we get the most benifit from it, and is likely to be nerfed because of it.. I will admit it is discouraging being told over a year ago that the devs were going to look into alternitive methods for woodworkers to make money on arrows since the crafting change.. I have zero problem with making a buck off of crusaders/monks/fighters/scouts etc - or providing myself with arrows instead of just summoning..     Unfortunatly, as the system stands; it is not practical for me to make my own arrows and raid.. This is something that should have been changed long ago, we should hope that this change comes through sometime soon once sony starts knocking off items on there "to do list"..And please, dont go all over the place when we dont have something.. Look at the bigger picture of things on what would go wrong.. Its like saying "build that tower for me by noon please" - its just not going to happen.. By the end of it though - rangers will probabbly be the richest class out there simply because of our costs per day and still trying to maintain masters etc.. Or is this sonys way of saying "ok every ranger here, go be an accountant" <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

kartikeya 12-16-2006 05:41 AM

<P>I dunno. Working my way through KoS on the climb to 70, if I went on a long solo binge, or a group that lasted more than two hours, I would start running out of arrows. The simple fact is, if you are fighting in /any/ capacity, raid, solo, group, whathaveyou...you are using more arrows than you are gaining, even if you spam your summon skill every time it comes up (as I do). Eventually you are going to run out, and then you either have to buy arrows or take a break from adventuring long enough to build up that supply again. 60 arrows every ten minutes is not enough when you can blow through a full stack or more in that time period.</P> <P>Also, while yes, I agree that the DPS argument exists on about every thread here, I am curious (not questioning, genuinely curious) as to how you feel our DPS issues have been solved. I haven't gone terribly far in the ranger tree, so I honestly don't know. Does it even us out? And most importantly, does it even us out <EM>without having to have two of the rarest/hardest to get weapons in the game.</EM> Needing T8 ammo from Deathtoll PLUS another bow from Halls of Seeing to equal folks wielding gear from Vlabs is NOT equal or balanced, and I'm sorry, it's not going to be balanced no matter how many times someone says 'just get blahblahblah bow and blahblahblah other bow from blahblahblah very high end raid mobs.' If it is the case that we're finally back on equal footing without those giant crutches, then I'll applaud.</P>

Fonrian 12-16-2006 07:32 AM

You should all just switch to PvP servers.  You don't use a lot of arrows in PvP, when you use your backup quiver, you gain more arrows than you spend.  If you raid once or twice a week, you still come out positive with arrows.  I have about 3K arrows in my bank, and 3K on my person. 

Gerdos 12-16-2006 08:14 AM

<P></P> <P>Lorelady, you bring up good points.  I would have loved to see SOE introduce more variety into the crafted arrows available.   What they currently have, is very limited (slash, crush, hunter, rare/mastercrafted arrows) .. and in truth, no longer a nessessity.  Providing arrows with some kind of elemental dmg would have been the obvious path to take.   Sadly, thats not in game, and woodworkers are now for the most part a very limited crafter.</P> <P> </P> <P>Kartikeya, ranger dps is very good right now .... so much so, i'm nervous to discuss it further.   If i have 1 concern, it might be some kind of nerf down the track.  </P> <P>Check 1 of my recent posts about my view on the whole dps/bow debate.  The whole discussion about needing Sarnak/Corruption and a DT bow to do adequate dps was hijacked from its original meaning, that being, you need both only applied if you wanted to do compareable dps to an assassin/rogue with GDoH which is just as rare if not more so then the high end fabled bows.  There are 5x T7 KoS and (atm) 2x T7.5 EoF fabled longbows that will put you into T1 dps range.   Group setup, CA upgrades, AA setup and natural player ability make up a large portion of our dps.</P> <P> </P>

TaleraRis 12-16-2006 08:16 AM

Can you even craft rare any longer? I thought I saw it said before that rare arrows weren't available anymore.<div></div>

Zholain 12-16-2006 10:06 AM

<font size="2">Rare arrows have been removed from the game.  The only way they exist now is if someone has some left from before KoS.</font><div></div>

Nulad 12-16-2006 01:59 PM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gerdos wrote:<div></div> <p>I dont craft either, and stopped harvesting very early on in T7 ... but, even in your case, questing, exploring, soloing, grouping, would not be enough to become an issue if you reguarly spam your summoning arrows.</p> <blockquote dir="ltr"> <p></p> <hr> Nuladen wrote:You might also want to take a good long look at the tone of your reply, it's condescending and offensive. <hr> </blockquote> <p>It should be, and it was meant to be . . but your reponce left yourself open to it.</p> <hr></blockquote>No, it's not enough. Don't argue with me, I'm the one running out not you, you have no idea of my playstyle.Yeh, thanks for the abuse, childish at best.</div><p>Message Edited by Nuladen on <span class=date_text>12-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:05 AM</span>


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