EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire (https://archive.eq2wire.com//index.php)
-   PVP Discussion (https://archive.eq2wire.com//forumdisplay.php?f=2589)
-   -   Explain to me why scouts........ (https://archive.eq2wire.com//showthread.php?t=401699)

hosuke 01-02-2008 09:24 AM

<p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><b></b></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [Removed for Content].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p>

Spyderbite 01-02-2008 10:39 AM

Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."

SolomanShort 01-02-2008 10:47 AM

OP... why not post some definitive combat logs so that we can then show you ways that might help you?Saying L2P would just be rude! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Heleptra 01-02-2008 10:57 AM

<p>Hello! im really srry you feel like this atm <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but the key to win the scouts is know how they play and their weakness, im a lvl 70 wizard atm. and i have been owning scouts since i dont remember, now days no scout ranger are 99% scared of me, no one wants a 1v1v ever. they just run evac away like pusys. And remember im a wizard!!I dont know what class you are But learn the game. and remember always watch your back<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i hope this helped a little. Every thing is possible.</p><p>Hartsia.</p><p>lvl 70 wizard on nagafen.</p><p>I wield a staff of fire I ride a horse of air I fear no water!</p>

keLston 01-02-2008 11:37 AM

L2P.Maybe that's rude but not figuring out how to play your class and then screaming at us about it is rudererer.

caliburns 01-02-2008 12:03 PM

<p>I agree with him, i have a high level brig and a high level wizard and now level a brusier,</p><p>i can say this, Scouts are stupidly overpowered (swashy,brigs)</p><p>Brusier get a spell called chi, they need 26 aa to get is, brigs get two stacking fucous buffs that buff then 2x over chi and it has half the cool down.</p><p>poisions always proc non stop, pirate stab from the rear does over 500 damage and always procs.... god [Removed for Content] auto attacks from scouts can hit over 1k now.. its just insane, they get too much and lose nothing for it.</p>

Wytie 01-02-2008 12:05 PM

<cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [I cannot control my vocabulary].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p></blockquote><p>Why can healers heal all of a scout's dps timers with 2 or 3 heals?</p><p>Why can tanks taunt lock scouts and half there DPS?</p><p>Why do mages own so much?</p><p>Why do people cry so much?</p><p>I dont know........</p>

liveja 01-02-2008 12:06 PM

<cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p></blockquote>Because we're better than you, that's why.

Darkor 01-02-2008 12:14 PM

<cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [I cannot control my vocabulary].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p></blockquote><p>Why can healers heal all of a scout's dps timers with 2 or 3 heals?</p></blockquote>Can they? I can assure you that my 80 Fury cannot outheal a swashbucklers dps in a 1 vs 1. And i challenge every 80 fury to fight my scout <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 

Wytie 01-02-2008 12:24 PM

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [I cannot control my vocabulary].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p></blockquote><p>Why can healers heal all of a scout's dps timers with 2 or 3 heals?</p></blockquote>Can they? I can assure you that my 80 Fury cannot outheal a swashbucklers dps in a 1 vs 1. And i challenge every 80 fury to fight my scout <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> </blockquote>Swashes kill my wizzy before i can cast MS, Rogues are pretty sick, but thats not hardly all scouts as the OP says....

Darkor 01-02-2008 12:34 PM

<cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [I cannot control my vocabulary].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p></blockquote><p>Why can healers heal all of a scout's dps timers with 2 or 3 heals?</p></blockquote>Can they? I can assure you that my 80 Fury cannot outheal a swashbucklers dps in a 1 vs 1. And i challenge every 80 fury to fight my scout <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> </blockquote>Swashes kill my wizzy before i can cast MS, Rogues are pretty sick, but thats not hardly all scouts as the OP says....</blockquote>I just gave you an example, if you wanna tell me a fury can beat a decent Assassin you are more wrong than i initially thought.

Wytie 01-02-2008 12:51 PM

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wytie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>hosuke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get to use posions that proc far to often that do more damage them most people melee.</p><p>Get healing poisions, Oh yes i see, stabing someone would heal you >_></p><p>Get poisions that detaunt(target removing pvp) because it isnt like they get enough class detaunts evades is it..</p><p>Why can they track, and do insane DPS and use shields and Stun lock, and debuff with taunts that have low timer so they can keep removing buffs, why can they debuff so much that it turns plate armor into cloth armor and cloth armor into umm, a naked player.</p><p>Why can they run at near 80% speed, Why can they get away from any pvp fight they chose with out risk, WHy can they spec for tanking and do as well as any tank.</p><p>Why can they get more health then a main tank, Why are they able to kill anyone in 6 sec flat pvp with no effort at all.</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Why do they get all this and more with no <b>sacrifice at all!!</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Other classes sacrifice alot to get gains into what they want to do, Wizard lose tons of damage for defence, guardians los tons of damage for defence, druids cant be both healer and dps, they cant have it both ways, they are pvp spec or raid spec not both, no matter the char you pick you have to SACRIFICE alot.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">SCOUT GET IT ALL WITH NO SACRIFICE AT ALL! how is this fair to the rest of us, why do they get so much with no loss to any thing. the higher tehy get the more overpowered they become, i mean jesus look at them at level 80... its [I cannot control my vocabulary].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Seriously BUff other classes or nerf them but do some thing</span></p></blockquote><p>Why can healers heal all of a scout's dps timers with 2 or 3 heals?</p></blockquote>Can they? I can assure you that my 80 Fury cannot outheal a swashbucklers dps in a 1 vs 1. And i challenge every 80 fury to fight my scout <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> </blockquote>Swashes kill my wizzy before i can cast MS, Rogues are pretty sick, but thats not hardly all scouts as the OP says....</blockquote>I just gave you an example, if you wanna tell me a fury can beat a decent Assassin you are more wrong than i initially thought.</blockquote><p>Well now that all depends on the perspective......    any T1-T4 Fury can own 2, T1-T4 assassins all day long hopefully it gets better in the higher Tiers i cant tell ya mines not high enough yet but I will never feel sorry for any Fury ever. Just not gona happen Furys are so OP in the lower to mid Tiers its only right they get it handed to them in T8 if thats what you clam...</p><p>Iv seen you out and about you seem to do well for yourself, looks to me all ya need is anti stun and stifle pots & signets with the knowhow as to when to use them and how can you be stoped? Really. please tell me cause i dont get it. If your imune what stops you from eventually getting your HOT's off, once there off and your push your dps to scouts level just what exactly is the problem?  I dont have a T8 fury so i just dont get it, tho i have fought a <strike>few</strike>  hunderd across many toons.... </p>

Raidyen 01-02-2008 01:00 PM

<p>Better question.  Why is it that people with a total of 3 posts on these threads suddenly feel the need to come here and start up topic's and post some talking points they obiviously got from Ajjantis so he can continue to troll?</p><p>To the OP or Ajjantis who is prolly one in the same, you combined abilities of several scout classes into your post.  Swashy/brig doesnt get runspeed, and Ranger/assasin don't get the kind of debuffs worth noting in any thread.  </p><p>I have an idea, lets fix everything you posted here.</p><p>Remove track.  check.</p><p>Remove DPS.  check</p><p>Remove posions. check</p><p>Remove debuffs.  check</p><p>Remove detaunts.  check</p><p>Remove runspeeds.  already did for the most part, but ok, check.</p><p>Remove shields.  Check.  (i do love my round sheild, but ok)</p><p>Remove evac.  Check.  (ok you didnt ask for that, but i figured i would just beat you to it.)</p><p>Whats that equal?  An NPC shop keeper.  Tumpy Tonic anybody?</p>

liveja 01-02-2008 01:08 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you combined abilities of several scout classes into your post. </p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>That is true, however .....</b></span></p><p>Swashy/brig doesnt get runspeed</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>This is false. We don't get 80% run speed buffs, but ALL Scouts get Pathfinding, which buffs your run speed by 16%, & any Swashy or Brig can put points into the AGI line, one of the abilities of which is a modest run speed increase. I think I'm up to 26% or so.</b></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>So, while we don't get anywhere near the 80% the OP spat up (which claim should have told everyone the OP is a troll & not to be taken seriously at all) we DO get run speed buffs.</b></span></p></blockquote>

Raidyen 01-02-2008 01:14 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you combined abilities of several scout classes into your post. </p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>That is true, however .....</b></span></p><p>Swashy/brig doesnt get runspeed</p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>This is false. We don't get 80% run speed buffs, but ALL Scouts get Pathfinding, which buffs your run speed by 16%, & any Swashy or Brig can put points into the AGI line, one of the abilities of which is a modest run speed increase. I think I'm up to 26% or so.</b></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><b>So, while we don't get anywhere near the 80% the OP spat up (which claim should have told everyone the OP is a troll & not to be taken seriously at all) we DO get run speed buffs.</b></span></p><p>My apologies.  Let me clarify.  Yes we can get 26 percent with aa line and pathfinding.  Not exaclty speeding.  if you want we can just use Chokadi totems also, take us to 65 with aa line and Jboots, and 70 percent if you have a race ability.  Of coarse any class in the game can get 60 percent with Chokadi, Jboots and Racial ability, but we wouldnt want to tell people that.  Plus the fact just about every class gets Run speed aa's they can also get up to 70 percent, just like us superfast swashies.</p></blockquote></blockquote>

Sunderban 01-02-2008 01:19 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."</blockquote>yes from tone i would say several times. my t2 brigand loses 50% of the time in pvp. i'm no slouch in pvp and can hold my own. i am geared up pretty well now with almost all adeptIII and some really nice gear and i lose easily 50% of all fights and i would say against almost every class so far.

Roald 01-02-2008 01:20 PM

<p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p>

Roald 01-02-2008 01:21 PM

<cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."</blockquote>yes from tone i would say several times. my t2 brigand loses 50% of the time in pvp. i'm no slouch in pvp and can hold my own. i am geared up pretty well now with almost all adeptIII and some really nice gear and i lose easily 50% of all fights and i would say against almost every class so far. </blockquote>You can use more than auto attack you know.

Kratoswra 01-02-2008 01:22 PM

<p>Not all scouts are overpowered only swashies and brigands are. They are supereasymode. Track a vulnerable victim, 1 2 3 4 5, rinse and repeat for 80% of fights. And i dont think the problem is with them. The problem is mitigation doesn't count much. Its ok scouts fulminate casters if they get their back, but tanks should resist more, much more. And potions break pvp, i would remove em all.</p><p>Every body hit too much including mobs. And brigands make it worse couse they debuff it more. Fights should long more, but then healers will be overpowered, so its difficult to make everyone happy. </p><p> Also the problem with scouts is that they have the radar attached. They will wait till you have a mob with you and backstab you. Thats not a fair fight but its their lame playstile. I tend to win scout 1vs1 except swashies but they also do the same, revive and chase me till im on mob and then start to /rude when im unconsius.</p><p>If they didnt get token when you are on a mob this will be a diferent story.</p><p>What i would do:</p><p>Give all tank classes, bruiser monks included more hp, miti and avoidance. Reduce DPS of swashy brigand. Give casters more CC, speccially summoners (for example pets with %to root/taunt on succesful hit). Reduce healers mit and avoidance. Make long delay weapons only usable for fighter/priest. All scouts should hit fast and weak, and fighters slow and hard.</p>

Sunderban 01-02-2008 02:02 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."</blockquote>yes from tone i would say several times. my t2 brigand loses 50% of the time in pvp. i'm no slouch in pvp and can hold my own. i am geared up pretty well now with almost all adeptIII and some really nice gear and i lose easily 50% of all fights and i would say against almost every class so far. </blockquote>You can use more than auto attack you know.</blockquote>lol.....oh thats what buttons 2 thru 9 are for.....jeesh i was wondering for the longest.

Csky 01-02-2008 02:33 PM

<p>lol @ the scouts that come in and zerg this thread</p><p>and to the OP its because EQ2 is a PVE game with PVP server on the side and soe obviously wasnt thinking about PVP when they designed scouts otherwise they wouldnt have abilities like track PC, speed, stealth, devistating melee damage and snares </p><p> i love when they say "learn to play your class if you have a problem with scouts" when they are immune from unwanted PVP and have the ability to pick and choose fights they can win.. and they dont even have to be choosy</p>

toenukl 01-02-2008 02:36 PM

<cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."</blockquote>yes from tone i would say several times. my t2 brigand loses 50% of the time in pvp. i'm no slouch in pvp and can hold my own. i am geared up pretty well now with almost all adeptIII and some really nice gear and i lose easily 50% of all fights and i would say against almost every class so far. </blockquote>Ouch! My 21 brigand hasn't lost a single time since I got my MC armor at lvl 12.

Sunderban 01-02-2008 02:49 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunderban wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somebody got beat by a scout last night.. XDNerfing several of the things you mentioned would turn them into another fighter class.. not a "scout" per se.Many of the things you mentioned are counterable.<i>"Robin of Locksley</i>: Any suggestions? <i>Azeem</i>: Get up. Move faster."</blockquote>yes from tone i would say several times. my t2 brigand loses 50% of the time in pvp. i'm no slouch in pvp and can hold my own. i am geared up pretty well now with almost all adeptIII and some really nice gear and i lose easily 50% of all fights and i would say against almost every class so far. </blockquote>Ouch! My 21 brigand hasn't lost a single time since I got my MC armor at lvl 12. </blockquote><p>jeesh...cmon nail your ruining my fantasy that i am at least decent at pvp. if you keep up with these comments i might have to accept that maybe i suck <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>actually i'm a kamikaze pvp'r. i attack every enemy on sight....especially yellow cons. i love pushing the limits. had a level 46 (red)mlaughing at me the other day for several minutes as i beat on him and didn't move his green health bar even the slightest....then he 1 shoted me. </p><p>also i dont evaluate enemies as i probably should or wait for them to fight mobs and attack when they are weak. i have more of a tank mentality and probably should be playing one. i'm more of a knuckle dragger type that will charge any enemy at any cost. probably why i lose so often. although i am starting to use my stealth more to my advantage. </p>

Sightless 01-02-2008 05:00 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p></blockquote>Yet my Warlock who is 59 now is twice as powerful than my 74 Ranger.. I've been timing my kills on level 70 bots and it infuriates me how powerful the Warlock is, when my Ranger has been destroyed. Not to mention the power I've also been seeing on my Guardian.

Roald 01-02-2008 05:54 PM

<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p></blockquote>Yet my Warlock who is 59 now is twice as powerful than my 74 Ranger.. I've been timing my kills on level 70 bots and it infuriates me how powerful the Warlock is, when my Ranger has been destroyed. Not to mention the power I've also been seeing on my Guardian.</blockquote><p>Not sure how you can get as powerful as killing someone in 2 seconds, unless you're claiming u can kill someone in 1 second on your warlock.</p><p>As a coercer, if i let a ranger out of a 5m distance for more than 4 seconds, im dead, simple as.</p>

Sightless 01-02-2008 06:19 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p></blockquote>Yet my Warlock who is 59 now is twice as powerful than my 74 Ranger.. I've been timing my kills on level 70 bots and it infuriates me how powerful the Warlock is, when my Ranger has been destroyed. Not to mention the power I've also been seeing on my Guardian.</blockquote><p>Not sure how you can get as powerful as killing someone in 2 seconds, unless you're claiming u can kill someone in 1 second on your warlock.</p><p>As a coercer, if i let a ranger out of a 5m distance for more than 4 seconds, im dead, simple as.</p></blockquote>Rangers are not killing in 2 seconds. I lost 60% of my damage when they removed Focus Aim. Unless Coercors are having heart attacks the second a Ranger attacks you, something is wrong. And I can kill you no matter what with my Warlock in four seconds.

Dh 01-02-2008 06:40 PM

<cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p></blockquote>Yet my Warlock who is 59 now is twice as powerful than my 74 Ranger.. I've been timing my kills on level 70 bots and it infuriates me how powerful the Warlock is, when my Ranger has been destroyed. Not to mention the power I've also been seeing on my Guardian.</blockquote><p>Not sure how you can get as powerful as killing someone in 2 seconds, unless you're claiming u can kill someone in 1 second on your warlock.</p><p>As a coercer, if i let a ranger out of a 5m distance for more than 4 seconds, im dead, simple as.</p></blockquote>Rangers are not killing in 2 seconds. I lost 60% of my damage when they removed Focus Aim. Unless Coercors are having heart attacks the second a Ranger attacks you, something is wrong. And I can kill you no matter what with my Warlock in four seconds.</blockquote><p>I played a warlock for long time and I also have a 60 ranger. If your warlock is on naggy evil side, Ill show you what rangers do to warlocks everytime when played properly. Grats you can kill bots so can I and everyone else that knows how to enter a password to post on this forum. My ranger is far far far more powerful than any warlock could hope to be.</p>

yohann koldheart 01-02-2008 07:04 PM

<p>all you crybaby nerf winers need to stop generalizing all scouts together, only 2 classes can do that brigs, swashies. im not sure what assasans can do.</p><p>rangers can use the poisions,track,etc but our dps is uber gimped so any green con healer with app 4 heals can out heal all out attacks and kill us</p>

Kiintac 01-02-2008 07:37 PM

My favorite is still when someone says the name of a Brig/Swash player and says "Oh he is a good player"    I just laugh.  Pick the easiest class to play and kill everyone 1v1 and is considered a good player.Also in regards to rangers being gimped....   I PvP as a duo all the time with a ranger.   Cloth goes down in approx 4 secs, unless Sniper Shot is used, then clothie is dead in two secs.   I agree they seem to be at the bottom of the four uber scouts.   But  if they were so bad,  you wouldn't see an over abundance of them.  They still out parse Wiz and Locks.

Sightless 01-02-2008 07:42 PM

<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sightless wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When i see someone who plays a Swashie, Ranger or Brigand, and to a less extent assassin, I know they like it easy. Which is entirely fair enough, its their money, and they may well have other harder classes too. And lets face it, if no one played the easier classes, the game would be more boring.</p><p>At the end of the day though, everyone who plays knows which classes are easier, and which aren't. You won't be respected as much for, say, winning a 1v1 or having a higher title on an 'easier' class. And in the end, apart from having fun oviously <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> , I hope most people would rather be knwon for being more respected and liked, rather than having a higher title/KvD etc. (note: the two aren't, of course, mutually exclusive).</p></blockquote>Yet my Warlock who is 59 now is twice as powerful than my 74 Ranger.. I've been timing my kills on level 70 bots and it infuriates me how powerful the Warlock is, when my Ranger has been destroyed. Not to mention the power I've also been seeing on my Guardian.</blockquote><p>Not sure how you can get as powerful as killing someone in 2 seconds, unless you're claiming u can kill someone in 1 second on your warlock.</p><p>As a coercer, if i let a ranger out of a 5m distance for more than 4 seconds, im dead, simple as.</p></blockquote>Rangers are not killing in 2 seconds. I lost 60% of my damage when they removed Focus Aim. Unless Coercors are having heart attacks the second a Ranger attacks you, something is wrong. And I can kill you no matter what with my Warlock in four seconds.</blockquote><p>I played a warlock for long time and I also have a 60 ranger. If your warlock is on naggy evil side, Ill show you what rangers do to warlocks everytime when played properly. Grats you can kill bots so can I and everyone else that knows how to enter a password to post on this forum. My ranger is far far far more powerful than any warlock could hope to be.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry Venekor. Dhye, I've killed two exiled Rangers at the same time! I was so excited, and scared too! Both were Champions, me a Destroyer. I know what I do on my Ranger to cloth casters, and I was actually intimidated for once. First I didn't engage, I ran to the nearest cover, got behind it and waited for one of them to come into view, killed him in two spells, both critically hit him of course and the second one I charged before he could get off anything substantial and killed him in three spells. I wasn't even in the red yet, and hadn't used Manashield.</p><p>They came back while i was questing and I was forced to Manashield and I for fun hit Focus Casting and dropped them both in five seconds. But hey, I cheat as a caster I'm told because I have See Stealth + See Invis up all the time and I use Stun/Stifle immunity potions.</p><p>You wouldn't kill me in your wettest dreams.</p>


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:49 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All threads and posts originally from the EQ2 and Station forums operated by Sony Online Entertainment. Their use is by express written permission.