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Grishtik 11-10-2016 05:29 PM

Please consider making both prestige tree conversions the same, whether it be 12pot>1cb, 3cb>1pot or whatever. As it is now, you're basically forcing everyone to go right side or suffer a huge hit to CB (in comparison to the paltry +potency given by the left side's 3cb>1pot conversion), therefore penalizing people for making different class builds. Having equal prestige conversions would also make balancing prestige trees much easier.<br />And if there's any class that needs this the most IMHO, it's tanks. Currently, tanks will have an even MORE difficult time holding agro, with everyone now getting a massive boost to CB from the pot>cb conversion, while fighters (left side prestige) will be further left behind. Allowing tanks' left side prestige to benefit from the pot>cb conversion would greatly increase their threat and dps output. This would make tanking for new players much less difficult/frustrating, and god knows this game needs more people to play tanks. Thanks.

Brightlyz 11-10-2016 05:37 PM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Grishtik"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Grishtik said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6389257#post-6389257" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Please consider making both prestige tree conversions the same, whether it be 12pot>1cb, 3cb>1pot or whatever. As it is now, you're basically forcing everyone to go right side or suffer a huge hit to CB (in comparison to the paltry +potency given by the left side's 3cb>1pot conversion), therefore penalizing people for making different class builds. Having equal prestige conversions would also make balancing prestige trees much easier.<br />And if there's any class that needs this the most IMHO, it's tanks. Currently, tanks will have an even MORE difficult time holding agro, with everyone now getting a massive boost to CB from the pot>cb conversion, while fighters (left side prestige) will be further left behind. Allowing tanks' left side prestige to benefit from the pot>cb conversion would greatly increase their threat and dps output. This would make tanking for new players much less difficult/frustrating, and god knows this game needs more people to play tanks. Thanks.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>I agree with this, this trend of forcing tanks into dps build is pure silly.

kluxor 11-11-2016 09:02 AM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Grishtik"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Grishtik said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6389257#post-6389257" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Please consider making both prestige tree conversions the same, whether it be 12pot>1cb, 3cb>1pot or whatever. As it is now, you're basically forcing everyone to go right side or suffer a huge hit to CB (in comparison to the paltry +potency given by the left side's 3cb>1pot conversion), therefore penalizing people for making different class builds. Having equal prestige conversions would also make balancing prestige trees much easier.<br />And if there's any class that needs this the most IMHO, it's tanks. Currently, tanks will have an even MORE difficult time holding agro, with everyone now getting a massive boost to CB from the pot>cb conversion, while fighters (left side prestige) will be further left behind. Allowing tanks' left side prestige to benefit from the pot>cb conversion would greatly increase their threat and dps output. This would make tanking for new players much less difficult/frustrating, and god knows this game needs more people to play tanks. Thanks.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>+1, will even suggest both sides be cb->pot, puts of a cap of potency gained, and doesnt make capping CB utterly trivial

Nkito 11-11-2016 12:52 PM

I like that there's a choice, it's just that on some classes you have to choose between a much better prestige side OR the better conversion. On other classes it's not as painful a choice. I'd prefer if the conversions weren't tied to a side, or left and right sides were tweaked to address shortcomings on some classes.

kluxor 11-11-2016 04:27 PM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Nkito"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Nkito said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6389447#post-6389447" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">I like that there's a choice, it's just that on some classes you have to choose between a much better prestige side OR the better conversion. On other classes it's not as painful a choice. I'd prefer if the conversions weren't tied to a side, or left and right sides were tweaked to address shortcomings on some classes.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />the choice really should be what play style you'd like to participate in. When players who's dominant side (and EVERY class has an endline that is clearly better) is the pot->cb conversion, those players are going to have a big advantage when they can reforge 150-350 crit bonus to huge amounts of ability mod while still maintaining the better side of their prestige trees. <br /> <br /> Granted, if I was one of those classes that had the pot->cb conversion on my "good side" i wouldnt be as upset, but I personally just dont like the idea that spending a single prestige point can result in capping one of the most desired stats in the game currently instead of getting those stats from gear. I think this conversation is going to get really heated up come next week when the expansion goes live and everyone realizes they have to choose between better stats or their preferred play-style.

Brightlyz 11-11-2016 05:35 PM

Lets be real here, with the current conversions I dont see a choice. Either take the right side or struggle holding aggro. Also most of the tanks lose a ton of survive-ability by taking right side.

kluxor 11-11-2016 06:10 PM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Brightlyz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Brightlyz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6389513#post-6389513" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Lets be real here, with the current conversions I dont see a choice. Either take the right side or struggle holding aggro. Also most of the tanks lose a ton of survive-ability by taking right side.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />its not even just a tank issue, scouts have it just as bad (except BL of course). Maybe late into the expansion left side will be viable to get max CB after gearing and spending enormous amounts of plat on infusing....but even then the mages (and BL) will get the advantage of having an extra 1500'ish CB reforging into huge amounts of ability modifier or MA for battle cry conversions

Wurm 11-11-2016 07:03 PM

Can someone explain what exactly has been changed? I see under Bringer of justice the following text:<br /> <br /><div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote"> <aside> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">This ability has been reduced by a crit bonus to potency prestige conversion.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> however I do not see the conversion they are talking about.

guard 11-11-2016 08:08 PM

i agree that and every item you look at is either dps i.e high cb and pot or tank stats we also need more items that have high cb and pot as well as tanks stats on them

kluxor 11-11-2016 11:18 PM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Wurm"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Wurm said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6389530#post-6389530" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Can someone explain what exactly has been changed? I see under Bringer of justice the following text:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />however I do not see the conversion they are talking about.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />dual prestige results in a 50% penalty...which i personally dont agree with either

Wurm 11-11-2016 11:52 PM

Oh crap that's just stupid.

Grishtik 11-14-2016 06:31 PM

Last minute bump. It would be great if we could get a dev's thoughts on this.<br /> <br /> <br />Personally, i'm thinking more and more that the conversions should just be removed, as keeping them the same would be pointless and only contribute to more stat inflation. The empy prestige conversion slots could instead be made to add upgrades to some of the more outdated class abilities (dissolve, vampire bats, numerous low-damage fighter CAs, etc.).

kluxor 11-14-2016 07:51 PM

<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Grishtik"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Grishtik said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6390112#post-6390112" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Last minute bump. It would be great if we could get a dev's thoughts on this.<br /> <br /> <br />Personally, i'm thinking more and more that the conversions should just be removed, as keeping them the same would be pointless and only contribute to more stat inflation. The empy prestige conversion slots could instead be made to add upgrades to some of the more outdated class abilities (dissolve, vampire bats, numerous low-damage fighter CAs, etc.).</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />would be ok with this too as i think getting 1333+ of a stat for a single prestige point if a bit much


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