Shag most bow auto attacks have a 7 second delay so that means you are dying in one hit from our auto attack.  If we are lucky and have a good bow and it crits thats like 1-2k.  You got some low hp man, STA is your friend!  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

<cite>shagr1414 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shagr1414 wrote:</cite><blockquote>and out of the 100's of posts we summoner post we get the same bs from rangers.....you guys claim your unable to attack at melee range yet a autoattack ranger can take me down in 4 seconds. So b4 u spout more crapfrom your inexperience of summoners, play one and realize rangers have it easy STILL.  Wha Wha Wha, ic ant do 1k dps from 15 meters out.....i have to think about how to play now. I might be on even grounds now with another player insterad of myself being a 1 shot wonder class. Go back to WoW dude your obviously only on a pvp server to gank since you won't take a week toe ven try to learn your class as its made to be now.  We all have to adpat but you refuse to, your solution is to come in the fourms and whine about how you cannot take a mage down now in 2 seconds.  And no you won't get any apaologies from me, i never got one from the exploits/hackers in the game and funny how all of them were usually rangers, who would throw all the CA's they can into 1 macro and claim godliness.  As for interupts, get a clue dude, you have no idea, try casting a 3 seconds cast spell that casts bar rolls for 10 seconds and once it does go off it is resisted, then you fall over dead, cause some ranger jsut dropped 6 ca's into you in 2 seconds.   How do you propose a necro interupt your casts?  Only one way, its out tank pet bouncing you with a knockback that is on a 1 min recast timer. Yet thats also a skill we throw about 20AA into to get.  You are now in par with every other class in game.  Now you must actully learn a skilled form of play, and that bothers you plain and simple.  Sorry there goes your title, and there goes a bit of work to get your PVP set.  </blockquote><p>Bow autoattack gets disabled in melee range as well.</p><p>As for other stuff, you just fail to see where the problem is, and that no amount of learing and skill will make our CAs and autoattack NOT to disable in melee range. Which is exactly what makes ranger broken. Not the damage nerf (never ever compained about damage nerf because I also hate to die to exile rangers as well - takes them 3 sec preGU36 if they get to jump on me, seems like my chain is nothing more than paper).</p><p>No need to be a prophet to say what happens with rangers after GU36. No more fair fights, just shooting from unreachable places - or running away in any other scenario. I can't wait to see first posts about this.</p></blockquote>Ok i can see where you are coming from, but to actually feel for you, I  cannot, after almost a year and half of dieing in 2seconds to rangers, your cries just cannot be justified.  I will say one thing though, fine if you cannot do jack in melee range, we can change that back real easy for ya, <b><span style="color: #ff0000">BUT now you are required to stand up and agree that summoners have it way worse.</span></b>  Do you know how it feels to be rolling in ANY zone and just flat out go from 100% to the rez screen in a split secon, EVERYDAY?  No you don't unless you play a class with zero detection or defense you will never know that pain.  Now the devs are somewhat seeing this and made an attempt to fix it so we can at least live a few seconds b4 the inevitable happens.  I posted a few pages back a in combat melee range fight with a ranger, piercing and blunt dmg is done in melee range, and in the 4 seconds fight i got 1 cast off for 867 dmg.  That is the normal fight necro's see.  So now you tell me just what part of you cannot kill a necro your'e seeing cause we are pretty much unable to see your point of view.  4 seconds and a ranger chops down 6k hp,s in the same 4 seconds the necro and pet range about 1k dmg total.  I fail to see your side of the battle here.  You get stealth, tracking, and a decent runspeed even though it was a bit nerfed...I get a robe that tears to shreds instantly and fall to dead b4 i can blink.  I again do not see your side as valid after seeing this all year and half long. This is in groups with 2 healers, noone can heal that burst dps.  This would simply require a healer to maintain a heal on me 24-7, and thats just not valid in eq2.  You rangers always claim we need to use totems to see stealth.  Well 2 troubles with that idea....one i ALWAYS use them, until of course a ranger drops me in a split second and loots them from me since those are the only droppables you will find on me in the wild.  Or #2 they dont give us vision in EVERY point of view at all times, so it does not effectively let us know when someone is stalking us unless we just happen to get lucky and glance to notice somthing unusual.  Even though if we do sight you, we fall dead b4 our pets can even get into melee range, or the caster pet gets one spell off.  If im lucky ill get a rare fear out and land it long enough to run like a little [I cannot control my vocabulary], but it prolongs the death cause you guys have runspeeds, we do not.  I can go on and on, of what pains a summoner has, but you all should already know that....since we are by far the easiest prey in eq2. We can't heal, we can't ward, we can cast maybe a dot or root or fear but all of our tactics require a good deal of TIME to be productive, and when we die in just a few seconds, its just not possible to be effective.  </blockquote>We feel for you shag we really do, I don't see why SOE nerf's summoners.  I've never had a problem with them....please scroll back a few pages to my summers need mad vegas high class call girls type love post!  I would love to see you guys get a buff.  I think it is very much needed!  I even had a conjy for a while until I realized he was  PvE conjy only on a PvP server.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

<cite>Magius789 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Shag most bow auto attacks have a 7 second delay so that means you are dying in one hit from our auto attack.  If we are lucky and have a good bow and it crits thats like 1-2k.  You got some low hp man, STA is your friend!  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> 6k hp with next to zero mit which is impossible to get as a caster.  I don't have low hp bud, buffed im almost 8k in group.  Next your gunna tell me to raise my mit. Almost 420 sta already, can't push it much more.

<p>just for more laughs, the devs are genius's.......</p><p>another ranger vs nec fight...</p><p>(1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry critically hits YOU for 1196 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's caustic poison hits YOU for 246 poison damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 369 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry hits YOU for 1015 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your spell has been interrupted! (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your magical shield begins to fade. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] The power of the Lich begins to wane.</p><p>Iroincally i died next line after.....log didnt catch the first 2 hits for some odd reason....i think i ALMOST had a fear casted that time...</p>

<cite>shagr1414 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>just for more laughs, the devs are genius's.......</p><p>another ranger vs nec fight...</p><p>(1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry critically hits YOU for 1196 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's caustic poison hits YOU for 246 poison damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 369 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry hits YOU for 1015 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your spell has been interrupted! (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your magical shield begins to fade. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] The power of the Lich begins to wane.</p><p>Iroincally i died next line after.....log didnt catch the first 2 hits for some odd reason....i think i ALMOST had a fear casted that time...</p></blockquote><p>Interesting, interesting indeed.  Just one post up you say you have 8k HP, yet here you argue that my uber dps that did only 2626 in dmg (quick shot fires two arrows when it procs, my poison procced, and the arrows procced one crit hit) killed you.  You neglect to remember (or just intentionally left out) the second ranger I was grouped with who opened the fight against you.  Now that I recall this fight, you spent the first 5 seconds running on your warg.  I wasn't even in range at the start.  </p><p>  You were outnumbered two to one.  You were solo in loping plains, but you didn't have a see stealth totem on, just your see invis spell.  You rode by me, invissed, and I only caught a glimpse of you because I didn't have a totem on either.  The other ranger did.  Yet you stopped, turned around and started coming back towards us. The other ranger was closer to you, and he hit you first, but instead of retreating, you came steadily on, until you reached my range as well.  By the time you got that far, your health bar was at like 35% I believe, and I hadn't even fired yet.</p><p>I can sympathise with you, but you made several tactical errors, maybe the most important one was not having a see stealth totem on.  You could have kept going and been safe, I'm sure, since you left my visibility range; if you had left and not come back, I doubt we could have caught you, because if we had and entered combat, we would have had no runspeed left.  You rode towards pvp though, and this time you lost.  It happens.  I've died a lot, and even to necro's who I mistakenly let get close to me.  </p><p>I applaud your passion, and zeal towards your class.  I can even admire your desire to make it better.  Try doing this with logic and reasonable arguments, not half truths.</p>

Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>my uber dps that did only 2626 in dmg </p></blockquote> Yeah, never mind the fact that you did that much damage all in 1 second of combat.   Wont somebody please think of the <strike>children</strike> rangers.

<cite>Spag wrote:</cite><blockquote>Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>my uber dps that did only 2626 in dmg </p></blockquote> Yeah, never mind the fact that you did that much damage all in 1 second of combat.   Wont somebody please think of the <strike>children</strike> rangers.</blockquote>Considering that rangers are kindof a burst dps class, and 2.5k isnt a lot of damage, well... And yeah, I play a necro too.

Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>shagr1414 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>just for more laughs, the devs are genius's.......</p><p>another ranger vs nec fight...</p><p>(1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry critically hits YOU for 1196 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's caustic poison hits YOU for 246 poison damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 369 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Harry hits YOU for 1015 crushing damage. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your spell has been interrupted! (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] Your magical shield begins to fade. (1183434750)[Mon Jul 02 23:52:30 2007] The power of the Lich begins to wane.</p><p>Iroincally i died next line after.....log didnt catch the first 2 hits for some odd reason....i think i ALMOST had a fear casted that time...</p></blockquote><p>Interesting, interesting indeed.  Just one post up you say you have 8k HP, yet here you argue that my uber dps that did only 2626 in dmg (quick shot fires two arrows when it procs, my poison procced, and the arrows procced one crit hit) killed you.  You neglect to remember (or just intentionally left out) the second ranger I was grouped with who opened the fight against you.  Now that I recall this fight, you spent the first 5 seconds running on your warg.  I wasn't even in range at the start.  </p><p>  You were outnumbered two to one.  You were solo in loping plains, but you didn't have a see stealth totem on, just your see invis spell.  You rode by me, invissed, and I only caught a glimpse of you because I didn't have a totem on either.  The other ranger did.  Yet you stopped, turned around and started coming back towards us. The other ranger was closer to you, and he hit you first, but instead of retreating, you came steadily on, until you reached my range as well.  By the time you got that far, your health bar was at like 35% I believe, and I hadn't even fired yet.</p><p>I can sympathise with you, but you made several tactical errors, maybe the most important one was not having a see stealth totem on.  You could have kept going and been safe, I'm sure, since you left my visibility range; if you had left and not come back, I doubt we could have caught you, because if we had and entered combat, we would have had no runspeed left.  You rode towards pvp though, and this time you lost.  It happens.  I've died a lot, and even to necro's who I mistakenly let get close to me.  </p><p>I applaud your passion, and zeal towards your class.  I can even admire your desire to make it better.  Try doing this with logic and reasonable arguments, not half truths.</p></blockquote><p>So now everyone is supposed to have see stealth/invis totems up, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week or what?</p><p>Then he said he can have 8k hps BUFFED in a GROUP. You should carefully read what other people say, otherwise you'll just spread out misinformations. But the HPs dont change anything, its the defense that needs to be looked at. Summoners are the gimpest of all classes in this game.</p><p>And by the way:</p><p>[Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Your shroud of invisibility disperses. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Sniper Shot hits YOU for 1655 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 208 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] You are stunned! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf critically hits YOU for 1031 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Hollow Bludgeon critically hits YOU for 126 divine damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] You are no longer stunned. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Rain of Arrows critically hits YOU for 1630 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 67 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf hits YOU for 907 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's caustic poison hits YOU for 255 poison damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lose consciousness! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You are immune to Stun effects. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot hits YOU for 193 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your lion shape fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your ferocity begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your savagery begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your skin returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your tawny glow fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your primitive instincts fade away. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your dark amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You begin to breathe normally. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your protection begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf has killed you. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lost 12 Silver, 99 Copper for losing the battle. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your death has decreased your infamy.</p><p>I am a well equipped fury who wears leather not cloth <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>6k dmg in 3 seconds - i was stunned for 2 seconds in that 3 second fight. No tripple volley used - talk about burst dps...</p>

okay.. so it seems a lot of us agree the changes were a bit extreme.. and may have missed the mark some..  i do think changes were needed...  so here is my list of proposed changes..  pretend GU36 has not happened yet.. and the below are the PVP related changes.. ------------------------ -- lower Ranger range DPS a bit -- lower Ranger incombat run speed (and maybe some other classes?  but do not remove it ALL and from ALL classes) -- make sure Bards have best in-combat run speed -- Increase to Manashield effectiveness -- Fix resists! -- Maybe reduce dmg a small amount on the big hits?  But do not double nerf.  (Sniper shot, Decap etc) -- Somehow.. give Summoners some lovin?? That is it.  I know the above may not be perfect.  but it would be a good STARTING point.. i think small changes/tweaks are better.. nothing is ever set in stone.. so more changes could be made if/when needed. Notice missing from the above list: -- No nerf to heals! -- No global DPS changes! -- No nerf to PoC -- No nerf to cures!!!!! -- No nerf to roots/snares -- For mages.. no nerf to other ward AAs Please comment.. i know i probably forgot something???

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>So now everyone is supposed to have see stealth/invis totems up, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week or what?</p></blockquote><p>Ehhhh ?? What did you expect ? You are on a PVP server ! I ALWAYS run with totems up.</p><p>If that is too expensive for you you can always equip - See Stealth Goggles - , these are usable at lvl23 and grant you perm see stealth. Combine that with the see invis (you will get as a necro) you will be able to see all.</p><p>Rhan</p><p>Lvl locked 70 ranger</p>

<cite>Rhannnn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>So now everyone is supposed to have see stealth/invis totems up, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week or what?</p></blockquote><p>Ehhhh ?? What did you expect ? You are on a PVP server ! I ALWAYS run with totems up.</p><p>If that is too expensive for you you can always equip - See Stealth Goggles - , these are usable at lvl23 and grant you perm see stealth. Combined with the see invis (you will get as a Necro) you will be able to see all.</p><p>Rhan</p><p>Lvl locked 70 ranger</p></blockquote>And as a fury, he has see stelath innate. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Rhannnn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>So now everyone is supposed to have see stealth/invis totems up, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week or what?</p></blockquote><p>Ehhhh ?? What did you expect ? You are on a PVP server ! I ALWAYS run with totems up.</p><p>If that is too expensive for you you can always equip - See Stealth Goggles - , these are usable at lvl23 and grant you perm see stealth. Combined with the see invis (you will get as a Necro) you will be able to see all.</p><p>Rhan</p><p>Lvl locked 70 ranger</p></blockquote>And as a fury, he has see stelath innate. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p>My bad ! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But, even better ! Get the see INVIS goggles (usable at lvl 12)</p><p>Done.</p><p>I don't see what the problem is here.</p><p>Rhan </p>

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And by the way:</p><p>[Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Your shroud of invisibility disperses. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Sniper Shot hits YOU for 1655 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 208 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] You are stunned! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf critically hits YOU for 1031 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Hollow Bludgeon critically hits YOU for 126 divine damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] You are no longer stunned. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Rain of Arrows critically hits YOU for 1630 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 67 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf hits YOU for 907 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's caustic poison hits YOU for 255 poison damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lose consciousness! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You are immune to Stun effects. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot hits YOU for 193 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your lion shape fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your ferocity begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your savagery begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your skin returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your tawny glow fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your primitive instincts fade away. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your dark amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You begin to breathe normally. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your protection begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf has killed you. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lost 12 Silver, 99 Copper for losing the battle. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your death has decreased your infamy.</p><p>I am a well equipped fury who wears leather not cloth <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>6k dmg in 3 seconds - i was stunned for 2 seconds in that 3 second fight. No tripple volley used - talk about burst dps...</p></blockquote><p>At the receiving end it may look to you as 3 secs. The ranger was in - combat - a bit longer tho.</p><p>He probably started with casting Focus Fire (1 sec)</p><p>after that he used Sniper Shot (5 sec) (while standing still and in stealth)</p><p>THEN he hitted you with SniperShot and all the others ...</p><p>The entire fight from the <i>rangers</i> perspective lasted 9 secs. </p><p>The first 6 secs where crucial here. YOU had a whole 6 seconds to do something else than just standing still (or 4 if he has the last ability in the AGI line). The fact this ranger used SniperShot tells me you weren't - on the ball -. </p><p>As a Ranger I almost NEVER use it. I wouldn't care if they nerf it to 1 damage. It is SO easy to counter that it is only usable on ppl who stand still fully unaware of their surroundings. </p><p>Proposed tactics to counter it:</p><p>- pre heal</p><p>- start nuking and thus breaking his stealth</p><p>- run towards him and get inside melee range</p><p>- use PoC and get the hell out</p><p>Rhan</p><p>Lvl70 Levellocked Ranger</p>

<cite>Rhannnn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And by the way:</p><p>[Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Your shroud of invisibility disperses. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Sniper Shot hits YOU for 1655 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 208 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] You are stunned! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf critically hits YOU for 1031 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:04 2007] Thibbledorf's Hollow Bludgeon critically hits YOU for 126 divine damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] You are no longer stunned. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Rain of Arrows critically hits YOU for 1630 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:06 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot critically hits YOU for 251 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Bladed Fury critically hits YOU for 67 slashing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf hits YOU for 907 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's caustic poison hits YOU for 255 poison damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lose consciousness! [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You are immune to Stun effects. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf's Quick Shot hits YOU for 193 piercing damage. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your lion shape fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your ferocity begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your savagery begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your energy returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your skin returns to normal. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your tawny glow fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your primitive instincts fade away. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your dark amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your amber aura fades. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You begin to breathe normally. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your protection begins to fade. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Thibbledorf has killed you. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] You lost 12 Silver, 99 Copper for losing the battle. [Fri Jun 29 21:59:07 2007] Your death has decreased your infamy.</p><p>I am a well equipped fury who wears leather not cloth <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>6k dmg in 3 seconds - i was stunned for 2 seconds in that 3 second fight. No tripple volley used - talk about burst dps...</p></blockquote><p>At the receiving end it may look to you as 3 secs. The ranger was in - combat - a bit longer tho.</p><p>He probably started with casting Focus Fire (1 sec)</p><p>after that he used Sniper Shot (5 sec) (while standing still and in stealth)</p><p>THEN he hitted you with SniperShot and all the others ...</p><p>The entire fight from the <i>rangers</i> perspective lasted 9 secs. </p><p>The first 6 secs where crucial here. YOU had a whole 6 seconds to do something else than just standing still (or 4 if he has the last ability in the AGI line). The fact this ranger used SniperShot tells me you weren't - on the ball -. </p><p>As a Ranger I almost NEVER use it. I wouldn't care if they nerf it to 1 damage. It is SO easy to counter that it is only usable on ppl who stand still fully unaware of their surroundings. </p><p>Proposed tactics to counter it:</p><p>- pre heal</p><p>- start nuking and thus breaking his stealth</p><p>- run towards him and get inside melee range</p><p>- use PoC and get the hell out</p><p>Rhan</p><p>Lvl70 Levellocked Ranger</p></blockquote>That is assuming that you saw him.  I dont know many scouts that start a fight from the front.  For all we know sir thibble was in some unreachable place

<p>Can be. Doesn't mean unreachable is unseen tho.</p><p>Check your surroundings. From day One I logged onto pvp I realized (as clothy) I had to look 360 degrees, all day, and night.  Neither did I play from <i>first person</i> since that day. </p><p>It's not supposed to be easy and laid back <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>edit: And <u>by definition</u> are you attacked from behind, duh! lol</p>

<p>Why is there all this hating on rangers?  Sure, they can be darn near impossible to beat if they are played correctly.  And yeah, it can suck to die in a couple of seconds when you don't even see it coming, but last I checked, that is what rangers are designed to do.  They use the element of stealth, suprise and position to track down their enemy and kill them from range.  People in light armor are designed to basically die to these sorts of attacks.  Now, if this was effective against a plate tank, we'd have a problem, but for the most part, it looks like casters and leather wearing healer types are getting spanked here, which is I reckon by design.  I play a healer type in leather or chain (aka light armor) and usually, I keep an eye out for the sneaky bastages and stay out of bow range of big cliffs.</p><p>My problem with this update has nothing to do with rangers, one way or another.  The fatal flaw in this latest change is that some idiot who evidently flunked basic algebra thought that changing both sides of an equation equaled longer fights, instead of exactly the same thing.  Lower dps for melee (-dx), increase caster dps by eliminating resists (+dy), lower healing and curing (-dz) results in effectively FASTER fights in T6 and T7 and more ganking across the board.</p><p>My suggestion to fix this problem is to:</p><p>1) Improve healers ability to heal and cure damage being done; if you really want fights to last longer, let healers do their jobs. 2) Remove the distinction between in-combat and out-of-combat for run-speed.  Don't make people lose all speed buffs just because someone hits them (or they hit someone else), unless it is with a snare or root effect. 3) Or, even the playing field.  Some classes, like rangers, furies, bards, etc. depend on run speed differential to play to their classes design.  Taking this away just because you (either voluntarily or involuntarily) enter combat is the equivalent of removing mitigation buffs from tanks, melee dps buffs/poisons from rogues and damage absorbtion/shields from sorcerers.  I propose that if we must remove run speed because someone enters combat, we should remove all beneficial abilities from all classes as well.  At least then it's fair and an even playing field.</p>

<cite>Rastaah wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b>I wish they would buff the classes that needed it instead of nerfing</b>.  </p></blockquote><p>i liek this line i find it sounds great even if its total nonsense </p><p>lets see here  ok troubs have way to littel dps  so we boost there dps </p><p>but now tehre = to dps classes in dps thats not right there mostly support so lets boost all the dpsers </p><p>but now the dpsers are doing way too much damage and killing to quickly so lets boost hp on all players and mobs</p><p>what oh now heals are too small for the new hp so lets boost healing </p><p>now fights are taking too long so lets boost DPS   ( can you see where thsi is heading ? ? huh ?? thats right you guessed it ) </p><p>now the dpsers are doing way too much damage and killing to quickly so lets boost hp on all players and mobs </p><p>its kinda like that song that never ends till everyone has 8000 BILLION hp and does 800 BILLION damage </p><p>you gotta balance with a nerf sometimes bro its  part of mmo life </p>