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bigp58
02-06-2005, 09:40 PM
<DIV>Does Arem's Enlightened Judgement get its power skills from Power Cleave.... For instance, if i go from Apprentice 1 to 4 with power cleave will i see a difference in Arem's? I ask because you can use one or the other at a time. Thanks</DIV><p>Message Edited by bigp58 on <span class=date_text>02-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 AM</span>

TormEQ2
02-07-2005, 08:20 PM
<DIV>No, the level of Power Cleave does not matter, Arem's is set to Adept 2 skill level <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I enjoy it quite a bit, whats not to love about a combination of Power Cleave and Faithful swing? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

ghosthamm
02-07-2005, 08:34 PM
<DIV>agreed; from my point of view and what i heard from others, arem's is the best choice for 20 training. not only is it one of your hardest hitting attacks, but it heals you 3-4x more than faithful, and it is not bad on power either.</DIV>

Gurl
02-07-2005, 08:40 PM
<blockquote><hr>TormEQ2 wrote:<DIV>No, the level of Power Cleave does not matter, Arem's is set to Adept 2 skill level <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I enjoy it quite a bit, whats not to love about a combination of Power Cleave and Faithful swing? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Oh yea! I got that when I hit 20 this weekend and solo'ing is very nice... two of my main attacks draw health now. I also noticed it seems to get more HP than Faithful swing does.

TormEQ2
02-07-2005, 08:41 PM
<DIV>Aye, it heals quite a bit more per swing, which is just icing on the cake <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Ren
02-27-2005, 03:23 AM
FYI, I had the wrong bar up for grouping and had the one for soloing up that has Arem's as the primary attack. Pleasantly surprised that it works with a shield and Berik Sword of thunder. It ISN'T a 2nd weapon attack only.If it's a bug, it's one that's benefiting me. Now when I solo, I use Berik and shield AND Arem's Enlightened Judgement.

Orkoma
02-27-2005, 12:40 PM
<DIV>I was hoping no one would post that. =/ </DIV>

RSZ
02-27-2005, 02:17 PM
<DIV>I was careful not to post that while orem's was important to me.  Sad to see others with no such restraint.</DIV>

Ren
02-27-2005, 06:03 PM
I was thinking that too but it is most likely a bug. If it's not a bug, it's something that others can benefit from.Either case, keeping it quiet didn't seem the "honorable" thing to do. If it is a bug, it needs to be fixed. If it isn't, sharing it with the community is the right thing to do.Even though it says it's a 2nd move, it doesn't fit with whole damage/heal line. I think it's mistake in the description.

HordesLo
02-28-2005, 04:35 AM
<DIV>                        I really hoped people would keep quiet about this. It`s like the only useful skill we have. I don`t look at it as a bug though. it`s a gift from Mithaniel Marr. Learn to cherish whats given to you and not make waves. words to live by my friend.</DIV>

TormEQ2
03-01-2005, 07:58 PM
<DIV>Come on now, The whole idea of keeping bugs as "hush Hush" deals is what makes the game worse over time. Want to keep a 10pp farm bug a hush hush secret as well? Be honest enough to do /feedback on issues you find odd, even if it "hurts" your charcter.</DIV>

Coyt
03-01-2005, 08:12 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TormEQ2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Come on now, The whole idea of keeping bugs as "hush Hush" deals is what makes the game worse over time. Want to keep a 10pp farm bug a hush hush secret as well? Be honest enough to do /feedback on issues you find odd, even if it "hurts" your charcter.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Sir , I salute your integrity.</P> <P><STRONG>in·teg·ri·ty</STRONG>   <A href="https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fr%3D2%26q%3Dintegrity" target=_blank><IMG alt="Audio pronunciation of " src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/[Removed for Content].jpg" border=0></A><SPAN>(</SPAN><SPAN> P </SPAN><SPAN>)</SPAN>  <A href="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html" target=_blank><B><FONT color=#0033ff>Pronunciation Key</FONT></B></A>  (<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gif" width=7>n-t<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gif" width=7>g<IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif" width=4>r<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gif" width=7>-t<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/emacr.gif" width=7>)<BR><I>n.</I></P> <OL> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00>Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code</FONT>.</LI> <LI>The state of being unimpaired; soundness.</LI> <LI>The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completen</LI></OL> <P>You are a credit to your class and the playerbase as a whole.</P>

JanuHu
03-02-2005, 04:14 AM
<DIV>My question is, if Faithful Swing works with a Sword/Shield combo, why shouldn't a jumped up version of it?  I've still got it on my attack bar paired with Blazing Faith, another healing attack that works one or two handed.  Are we sure this is a bug?  FYI, its damage increase from Faithful Swing was notable, but not overly impressive, it was pretty close to Power Cleave, but I chalked that up to it being a Training skill rather than normal progression skill.  The twofold improvement in healing per hit was.</DIV>

TormEQ2
03-02-2005, 05:06 AM
<DIV>Arem's clearly states you need a two hander for it to work, but you don't <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'd say thats not working as intended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Turb
03-02-2005, 07:32 PM
I had an open /petition on this some time ago. The GM seemed to not see any problem.So I think Arem's is meant to be this way, and will stay so. If they change anything, making it a Adept II Faithful Swing would be more useful. Makes up for the horse <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

JanuHu
03-02-2005, 08:18 PM
<DIV>I read the description last night and I stand corrected.  If its all the same to the rest of you, I'd just as soon petition to leave it as a 1 or 2 handed ability and be done with it.  Less work to change a little text and its a nice ability, but nowhere near imbalancing by any means.</DIV>