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Numskul
12-29-2004, 09:04 PM
<DIV>Devs, I hope that you are considering giving everyone a horse similar to Holy Steed.  This is not class envy.  I'm a paladin with Holy Steed.  I think it's crazy that people are picking this class just to have a horse; that's not why I chose to become a paladin.  I think that this class is becoming flooded with horse rider want-a-be's and devaluing the general attitude about paladins.  I wanted to be a Holy Warrior who works well in groups healing, stunning, buffing, etc. and be valued and respected for those reasons.  I didn't want the Paladin class to be thought of as the "tank with the horse" class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tegra, 27 paladin, Lavastorm</DIV>

Darki
12-29-2004, 09:28 PM
Everyone will have a horse just as soon as they can afford to buy one...

Deis of Desti
12-29-2004, 10:43 PM
<DIV>This is what guild review is all about, weed out the people who want to play their classes from the ones who play it to have that 1 cool effect that lets them be lazy.</DIV>

RAYVEN2
12-31-2004, 05:38 AM
<DIV>While your at it give everyone a free cat and a free hawk and a the ability to make people bow to them.  Why stop there?  Lets give everyone the ability to turn people into frogs and make their hands glow.  Bottom line is that people knew what they were getting before they picked their classes and now they want to complain.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone will have a horse soon.  Its only a matter of time.  Money is not so hard to comeby that the people who want horses can't save up for them.   Think about the fact that the paladin fluff spell is the only one that can be duplicated by any class.  I saw two casters running around TS on horses last night on AB and that proof that some people can currently afford them.  This whole thing reminds me of my friends son.  I was with them in a local deli and my friends son Mike picked up a pack of chocolate cookies.  This other kid picks up a pack of butter cookies and starts eating them.  My friends son totally lost interest in the cookies he had and wanted the other kids cookies and refused to eat the chocolate cookies his father had just bought him.....  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> You chose your cookies.  Deal with it.   </DIV><p>Message Edited by RAYVEN2 on <span class=date_text>12-30-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:41 PM</span>

TormEQ2
12-31-2004, 07:00 PM
<DIV>No, do this instead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remove the "freebie" horse at level 20, and make it a quest reward on a quest that requires you to be level 35 to start it. The paladin mount is a special animal, and as such should not be given out to even the most inexperienced young paladins.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Spirit
12-31-2004, 07:55 PM
<BR> <DIV>This whole horse thing really seperates the men from the boys. I'm glad something like this has happened so early on in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>It's given me a great insight into what the EQ2 community will be like. </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Read into that what you will, but think about it.</FONT></DIV>

perculat
01-03-2005, 01:02 AM
<DIV>You guys get a horse?  At lvl 20?   Sweet....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm making a Pally now!!!!</DIV>

Valhakar
01-03-2005, 08:15 AM
<DIV>Um, I know almost no one that has horse envy.  Who the heck are you playing with?  I prefer pathfinding with the scout class.  Usable everywhere and you dont have a [Removed for Content] hose under you making you 20 feet tall ( if you are a barbarian).</DIV>

DemosEye
01-07-2005, 03:19 PM
<DIV>Ugh can u imagine if everbody had access to a horse?? It would look so stupid running around a zone with groups full of mounts, but hopefully theyll all get bored soon when they realised they wasted so much money on a mount.</DIV>

Tears_
01-07-2005, 05:42 PM
Come L40 when everyone else has a horse and the paladin is left behind stuggling to keep up they will realise theve wasted 40 levels of play for a class they never really wanted to play.I really enjoy playing my paladin for what he is - and what he stands for, give everyone a horse... take away the paladin one.... whateve... makes no difference to me

Reav
01-07-2005, 08:15 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spirited wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>This whole horse thing really seperates the men from the boys. I'm glad something like this has happened so early on in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>It's given me a great insight into what the EQ2 community will be like. </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Read into that what you will, but think about it.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <P>It does seem the forums are full of things like this. We need more threads like the Patches one.</P> <P> </P>

rikari
01-13-2005, 05:18 AM
<DIV>i dont have a pali but i made a darkelf and am now a crusader but i chose to make a pali because in this order</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>they get spells</DIV> <DIV>they get to wear heavy type armor</DIV> <DIV>they are true knights </DIV> <DIV>some other reasons to </DIV> <DIV>and at the very bottem is the horse which i really dont care about</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the horse i think they only gave cause in the first eq they could summon a horse as one of there extra skills at a really high lvl</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

JarredDarque
01-14-2005, 08:18 PM
<DIV>To the guy who said he has never seen horse-envy    it is there....I got b*tched out by a caster type in my group cause I was on a horse....um   let me see, one,  your [Removed for Content] cat is out....two  the horse lets me pull alot quicker,  and if need be, after the group is safe,  run away quicker <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  without wasting power</DIV>

cadrach
01-14-2005, 09:16 PM
<DIV>Here is the problem as I see it.  You get a horse that has the speed of a 1.5 plat horse for 14 silver.  Sony admits this is a bug but has said they refuse to fix it.  They nerf everything under the sun but will not fix a bug?  COMMON!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a side note I do not care you have a horse.  I care that it is broke and they REFUSE to fix it but give no reason as to why.  Just that they wont?  This just seems ridiculous.</DIV><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:27 AM</span>

cadrach
01-14-2005, 09:25 PM
<DIV>double sorry</DIV><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 AM</span>

GilfalasElaandrin
01-14-2005, 09:32 PM
<DIV align=center><U>How to fix the horse jealousy.</U></DIV> <DIV align=left><U></U> </DIV> <DIV align=left>1) Move Holy steed to 21.6</DIV> <DIV align=left>2) Add a new 'fluff buff' to level 20 where the Paladin drops to one knee, planting their weapon in the ground in front of them, bowing their head in prayer.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Problem fixed. Horse is now a class power akin to the pathfinding or movement abilities of other classes.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>As for folsk saying not fair your getting a new ability? Ever look at how many abilties per level some classes get compared to us? One will not kill us or break any balance in any way.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Folks only spazzed because it was supposed to be fluff. If it is simply moved to another level and made an actual power they have nothing to complain about.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Simple</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>**Your not a true gamer unless you have enjoyed the classic games of nes **</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Sorry I saw this and had to laugh. I was selling NES games after high school, hehe.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Your not a TRUE GAMER unless you ahve enjoyed the classic games of SPI and Avalon Hill IMO hehe.</DIV><p>Message Edited by GilfalasElaandrin on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:38 AM</span>

Dyvan
01-14-2005, 09:37 PM
Devs, please give everyone breeze and pathfinding. (requested by a paladin/ranger/illusionist) I have a level 30 Ranger and 29 Illusionist so this isn't class envy. I don't want these classes to be thought of as the "classes with breeze and pathfinding." It's ruining my immersion that one class has something that other classes don't./set_sarcasm off

Jedite
01-14-2005, 09:41 PM
<DIV>You all do realize that we are 1 of the only 2 classes in the game which their lvl 20 fluff spell is not unique.. as in other players can get it eventually, and at some point it will become useless and replaced by a better horse..</DIV>

cadrach
01-14-2005, 10:32 PM
<DIV>Oh I understand this, but you get for 14 silver what I have to pay 1.5 PLAT for.  I care nothing about the fact you have a horse it is the fact that it is broke and they "have decided not to fix it".  Why is it when they keep "fixing" every other class like "Fixing" the bezerker so that they "are in line with the way they should be"  can not not "fix"  the horse so that "it is in line with the way it should be".   It just does not make any sense to me.  As far as pathfinding etc it was a spell that is WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD!  It is not broke, never has been as far as I know.  It was not intended as a "Flavor" spell and then broke into being usefull.  </DIV>

GilfalasElaandrin
01-14-2005, 10:49 PM
<DIV>Acgtually Cadrach Paladins never get a level 20 fluff spells. We get out combat power and a self only, outdoor unly run speed booster in the form of a horse. I am still waiting for our useless fluff spell at 20.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Horse at 20.6 is a regular power as far as I am concerned. Tons of other classes get 2-3 powers a levels sometimes. /shrug</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Probably your class does too.</DIV>

Jark
01-14-2005, 10:51 PM
I am amazed that fixing the horse is so difficult, consider some facts:-pathfinding has been adjusted several times (main effect, appIII scrolls now make no difference)-there are multiple horses, with multiple speeds, whats so difficult of changing the speed of paly horse to 0?-all the other "entertainment" buffs are strictly visual, a paly horse with zero speed bonus is fair-if their system is well designed it should take 5 minutes for someone to change the "run speed modification" of a paly horse to 0If it takes more than 5 minutes of dev time to address such a hot-button issue then sony has much bigger problems. Problems with the architecture of their software. My bet is someone decided paly-horses should be faster...and for whatever reason that person is still getting there way, curious insight into the corporate politics.

Dyvan
01-14-2005, 11:09 PM
<blockquote><hr>cadrach wrote:<DIV>Oh I understand this, but you get for 14 silver what I have to pay 1.5 PLAT for. I care nothing about the fact you have a horse it is the fact that it is broke and they "have decided not to fix it". Why is it when they keep "fixing" every other class like "Fixing" the bezerker so that they "are in line with the way they should be" can not not "fix" the horse so that "it is in line with the way it should be". It just does not make any sense to me. As far as pathfinding etc it was a spell that is WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD! It is not broke, never has been as far as I know. It was not intended as a "Flavor" spell and then broke into being usefull. </DIV><hr></blockquote>Actually Pathfinding and SoW are broken, they stack with the JBoot and LJBoot effects. They aren't supposed to. The horse gives no real game advantage, hence the reason I rarely, if ever use it. The only advantage it gives is being able to run from nearly anything without using power after the encounter is ended or broken or disregarded. But anyone can do this once they finish a very easy quest, or happen to have sow/pathfinding or have JBoots. 99% of the encounters I'm in as a tank I stand their and die so they can get evac/escape or run away. Also, what good is the horse when you are grouped and no one can keep up with you. No real Paladin uses their horse with groups or doing anything in a group. Unless they just enjoy showing off, which is what the horse/squire are in the game to begin with.Pathfinding/Sow and Jboots : Who cares, doesn't hurt anything.Paladin Horse : Who cares, doesn't hurt anything.Berserker with Broken Bloodlust : Casting haste/str/atk buff on themselves on EVERY hit when the buff is up. They couldn't use the ability when someone else was tanking. No one could break aggro. Way more DPS than they ever produced without it or with the fixed buff.The day I bring my horse to a raid or into an xp group and we win because of my distinct advantage of having a horse that runs fast, I will retract any and all comments and ask myself for it to be "fixed."

cadrach
01-14-2005, 11:59 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dyvanos wrote:<BR><BR>The only advantage it gives is being able to run from nearly anything without using power after the encounter is ended or broken or disregarded. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hence an advantage you were never supposed to have.  JBoots do nothing except make me move a tad faster but I still expend power when sprinting.  I never "get away" from anything using JBoots only I still have to sprint.  But wait!  It is supposed to make me faster.  Unlike your horse which is not supposed to.   in regards to the Beserker I understand it was broke and they fixed it great, but why fix other classes but not the Paladin.  You have a good point about it not being a part of battle, but not everything they fix has to do with battles.  They fix some pretty inocuous things why not this.  <BR>

demolition tank
01-15-2005, 12:14 AM
Horses are paladin fluff spells, the store bought horses are so much faster then the summon horses it's not even funny. I've been out run by players of the same level w/o JBoots while on my horse. Who ever make a paladin for the soul reason of having a horse will more then likely abandon the profession later on because it doesn't suite their play style. It's called "band wagon" or "flavor of the week", not an ongoing crisis. If you want to be a profession no one else is go play a non-conformist game like Saga of Ryzome.

Dyvan
01-15-2005, 12:34 AM
<blockquote><hr>cadrach wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Dyvanos wrote:<BR><BR>The only advantage it gives is being able to run from nearly anything without using power after the encounter is ended or broken or disregarded. <BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hence an advantage you were never supposed to have. JBoots do nothing except make me move a tad faster but I still expend power when sprinting. I never "get away" from anything using JBoots only I still have to sprint. But wait! It is supposed to make me faster. Unlike your horse which is not supposed to. in regards to the Beserker I understand it was broke and they fixed it great, but why fix other classes but not the Paladin. You have a good point about it not being a part of battle, but not everything they fix has to do with battles. They fix some pretty inocuous things why not this. <BR><hr></blockquote>I believe the reason they haven't fixed it is because of the small percentage of people that actually benefit from the spell and also the small benefit it gives. Also because it isn't gamebreaking or too unbalanced compared to a lot of the other things currently in the game. Even just the bugs that were/are affecting Paladins.Like Holy Sunder or Smite Prayer (Which smite prayer they fixed today when I and others had bugged it in late November). I don't know exactly what they have to do to tune the speed increase of the horses, but to me it seems trivial if they decide to leave it alone (Even if it was in fact a bug to begin with) and go after other bugs that are affecting my and others gameplay.

Spiritkill
01-15-2005, 12:54 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spirited wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>This whole horse thing really seperates the men from the boys. I'm glad something like this has happened so early on in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>It's given me a great insight into what the EQ2 community will be like. </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Read into that what you will, but think about it.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Amen brother.

prisoner
01-15-2005, 06:42 PM
<DIV>This is old and boring now.  In eqlive,  knights got the best horse practically for free,  all it cost was some time to grind out the aa's.  For my necromancer,  I had to shell out 103k to BUY one thats not even as good.  Give it a rest.  Is it really that big of a deal that we get a self only movement buff that just happens to have a horse graphic?  Yeah we can outrun bad fights with it,  after we break the encounter.  Just like anyone with jboots or SoW or pathfinding can do the same.  The issue is not that we have a horse,  its that the rest of you aren't happy with your "fluff" ability.  Instead of crying nerf for another class,  why not figure a way to bring ideas to the devs to fix your own.  </DIV>

Culann Heartsto
01-15-2005, 07:27 PM
<DIV>Little bit of advice from a Pally who's been a Pally in multiple places, multiple times, to the OP:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mate, it's not what you have, or what you look like that makes you a Paladin.  It's what you DO that sticks in people's minds long after the battle's over, and everyone's gone home.  Act like a Paladin, do what a Paladin should do, and these 'wannabes' will be self-evident.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With that said, I certainly hope the Devs do NOT give a horse to everyone.  If they do, then just go ahead and give me my Squire, all weapons and armor access, 1 mil HP and a powerpool that goes into scientific notation.  Few thousand plat wouldn't hurt either.  Horses are the province of the class only, and regardless of how some in the class actually act, your actions DO speak louder than words, and your actions ARE remembered later on by others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:  Read further into thread, and I've essentially come to the conclusion that the big discontent over the Paladin horse must be jealousy.  I cannot fathom why people would complain and babble so much otherwise.  The very tenet of having a horse is a status item, to many.  Having one for 19 silver as a 'fluff' spell, before others have access is essentially the root of said jealousy.  Course, Paladins can't dual wield.  Dunno, should I be jealous of that?  Can't use lances either, and hey I'm a freaking Knight.  Should I be jealous for this?  I only get one heal at 28 that impacts others, outside of LoH...should I be jealous here?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should I be jealous of any class that has something that I don't?  Or should I take into consideration that if every class has everything, then there's no point in calling oneself a Paladin, or a SK, or a Guardian, or Summoner, or Mystic or whatever since we're all cookie-cutter alike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In reading...people keep talking about leaving the Paladin behind around 40 because their horse is too slow.  Do you people who bring this up actually think long enough to realize that we Paladins might also buy (gasp!) a better horse for ourselves to prevent that?  I'm sort of ashamed of some of these people who choose not to think clearly about what others might do, especially others in their own class.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Consider:  We're a tanking class..to be our absolute best, our armor has to be up-to-date, our weaponry...so does our jewelry, our skills and stats, and we have to be well fed / satiated to do our utmost.  With the essential fact the horse is a tool for us as members of a holy Knighthood, are we to not keep that tool up to date as well?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Culann Hearstone 28 Dwarven Paladin / 22 Armorer</DIV> <DIV>-Officer of Ingol Tirith (The Cloaked Guard)</DIV> <DIV>-Kithicor Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Culann Heartstone on <span class=date_text>01-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:42 AM</span>

Numskul
01-15-2005, 08:29 PM
<DIV>In the end, I really don't care if they nerf it.  It's nice to have that ability to run away from mobs w/o using power but it's not the reason why I became a paladin.  I like the ability to tank, heal and smite my foes.  Onward holy warriors!</DIV>

Aftershock
01-15-2005, 08:40 PM
<DIV>dude, dont do that! i mean, its one of the only good things we have. I think its far that a "knight" gets a horse. And plus, im on oasis and ive seen more people that arent pala's that already have a horse.</DIV>

MadMyst
01-27-2005, 03:21 AM
I still don't understand how people can just put down the call for paladin horses to be FIXED ("working as intended") to jealousy. Most people aren't askign for paladin abilities to be changed. The aspect that really gets under people's skin is that it is NOT working as intended, it gives a run speed benefit that the class was never designed to have. Paladins were designed and balanced with the class abilities. A fun spell should NOT grant a benefit, much less a benefit that outshines CLASS abilities of other classes. It was designed and intended as fluff, and yet it is not. I'm not jealous of paladins getting a fun spell that provides a benefit, but I have a serious issue with them being the ONLY class that gains a benefit from their "fluff" spell, due to a bug, and that SOE has refused to fix what they have admitted openly was "not working as intended". I blame SOE, not the paladins/SK's. SOE knows it's broken, have acknowledged that its broken, and refuse to fix it. You have an ability that you were never intended to have, great. It would be stupid to expect you NOT to use it, but it's also expected that Sony will fix things that shouldn't be in the game to begin with.

JarredDarque
01-27-2005, 06:51 AM
<DIV>OM F'IN GOD!  (he gonna take away my powers now in game for that)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mad mystic, please tell me where SOE said this?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did you knwo that I got outrun by a lvl 28 troubador last night?   A BARD!  same level, a nd that little music didnt cost him crap,  oh  and its a group buff,  unlike my only solo one.   So what is the big deal  honestly?  Please tell me what the problem here is?  So your jealous.  get a job,  think of somehting else for once.   By lvl 40 you should be able to afford one that is signifigantly faster than the one me and all the other pallys have.   It is so much faster in fact, that I will be buying one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now  lets look at the benefits,  one I can run SLIGHTLY faster, before you use any type of speed increasing spell,   and I dont have to use power toburst run...oh  hah WAIT  I cant burst run on it.   You just won our race. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets look at your advantage.   Your out in EL,  in very dangerous territory, surrounded by mobs.  You have a pally as a MT, he is on his horse.  As you fight the mobs get farther and farther away,  but the group does not DARE move in case of pops.   These mobs beat the crap out of hte pally in seconds,  lvl 28 pally, lvl 35^^ mobs.   The Pally goes looking for a mob,  says 'inc' and you see him galloping over a hill,  with a Ferocious lasher^^ in tow.  By the time the pally gets to the group, he turns, taunts, and is getting healed, then the group attacks, all goes well.  Because the pally, was able to keep form dying on the way TO the group after making a pull,  seems his horse jsut saved your [FaarNerfed!] from a wipe,  NOW GET OVER IT!</DIV>

prisoner
01-27-2005, 12:55 PM
<DIV>Its fun watching people froth at the mouth over a sub-par horse.  They could fix the whole situation if they just made the horse say a lvl 21 spell instead of the fun ability.  They can replace our stupid AE melee that heals a minor amount of hps to the party.  I think I've used it once and it sucked so bad I never used it again.  People need to give it a rest.  The horse isn't that fast.  I would almost bet that if our ability buffed our run speed,  but didn't have a horse graphic,  there would be no [FaarNerfed!]ing at all.</DIV>

Tepic_Snowm
01-27-2005, 07:29 PM
<DIV>Like someone said before its a speed buff with a horse graphic, nothing more. If the devs decided they wanna leave it like that then its up to them. I laughed my [FaarNerfed!] off reading the guys post who said "a fluff spell should NOT increase speed"....who died and made you President of SOE? They can do what they like at the end of the day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And for the record, other horses smoke me...I cant wait to buy one!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Talaga
01-28-2005, 01:37 AM
<blockquote><hr>prisoner17 wrote:<DIV>Its fun watching people froth at the mouth over a sub-par horse.  They could fix the whole situation if they just made the horse say a lvl 21 spell instead of the fun ability.  They can replace our stupid AE melee that heals a minor amount of hps to the party.  I think I've used it once and it sucked so bad I never used it again.  People need to give it a rest.  The horse isn't that fast.  I would almost bet that if our ability buffed our run speed,  but didn't have a horse graphic,  there would be no [FaarNerfed!]ing at all.</DIV><hr></blockquote>It's quite telling that the majority of Paladins defending the ACKNOWLEDGED BUG that is the lvl 20 fluff spell for your class are all suggesting that instead of it being a fluff spell it be turned into a learned spell. Not one post from a paladin in this thread has suggested that SOE fix the horse's run speed. Face it... you don't want to give it up. You like the speed boost. (who wouldn't?) You don't hear people complaining about Scouts (or any other classes) getting a spell that boosts their run speed, because it's inherent to their class. What we're talking about here is something that you weren't supposed to get. It's a bug. It needs to be fixed. Whether it gets fixed or not is entirely up to SOE.

JarredDarque
01-28-2005, 11:44 PM
<DIV>Last time I checked,  knights where faster than footsoldiers,  so us having a horse, and being able to run faster is....wait for it....inherent to our class.</DIV>

EvilIguana9
01-30-2005, 08:40 PM
The horse was a good idea. It adds some minor enhancements to the paladin class that while not game breaking, are most certainly useful and distinct. For one, many paladins find ourselves as the puller and the extra speed enhances our ability to do so (although we still move SLOOOOOW on the way back to camp if we use a spell to pull and thus engage the encounter). The horse allows flexibility in the handling of enemies, including the ability to pull a dangerous fight away from the rest of the group. It also plays into the image of the knight being a mounted warrior with great flexability on the battlefield. Although I would love to see a game accurately represent mounted combat, EQ 2 is not going to be that game. However, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to simulating some of the costs and maintenance associated with the war horse. Perhaps an upkeep cost, or equipment slots for the mount to keep it protected in battle. Not likely to happen but assuming the costs were reasonable I'd support ir for ALL mount owners.

loregaz
01-31-2005, 02:24 AM
Is it true that the 1.5 platinum horse is as fast as the pally horse? In my xp, the pally horse is about the same speed as pathfinding, so you'd expect a faster one for that much money. Just wondering.

Arkis_Truefi
01-31-2005, 05:24 AM
I dont know about all of you, but once I get the cash I'm buying a new horse. The holy steed is cool and all but you can't get a horse that you WANT(color, type, etc.) with holy steed.Also, holy steed has already become slow to me now. I would much rather have SoW than it at 35+ levels(i'm a 41 paladin).So I don't know why anyone would really chose a paladin over other classes for a horse =P.At the higher levels you get enough cash to get a horse anyway. A horse isn't a big deal. Once you get it, you will soon become bored with it.

EvilIguana9
01-31-2005, 09:09 PM
Horse seems to be exactly equal to sprint speed, which is faster than SoW/Pathfinding at my level (24). I don't have any exact numbers, but it's probably something in the area of +30% to movement speed. Oh and for the record, I have my horse up anywhere it lets me. It's just too useful to not have up.

SanJ
01-31-2005, 09:31 PM
<DIV>The Paladin level 20 "summon holy steed" spell/fluff seems to be one of the hotest topics on the forums these days.  I'm currently a 29 Paladin and have mixed feelings regarding the spell/fluff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- The strongest argument against the spell/fluff is that no other level 20 fluff spells have quite the benefit of the paladin horse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How do you address this issue without simply calling for a "nerf?"  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I personally feel a paladin should have a horse and it should probably arrive in the mid Crusader stages as a normal class spell with about the same speed benefits as SOW/PF or journeyman boots.  However, the stacks on those spells with journeyman boots need to be addressed.  I like the suggestion from another post that would allow a paladin to appear in some sort of solemn prayer as the level 20 fluff spell, but still include a horse with equalized speed buff as a normal combat level spell in the mid to upper Crusader levels.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Most negative posts asking for a paladin horse fix start with a statement about not careing if a paladin has a horse and not being jealous but simply wanting a fix for a so called bug claimed to be acknowledged by SOE.  Would someone post the thread addressed by a GM/Dev stating the speed on the spell is a known bug?  I would like to examine the thread.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Consider:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If "summon holy steed" is moved to a crusader level normal class progression spell with SOW/PF/JBoots characteristics would that not meet the "desire" about both fixing the speed fluff and leaving the paladin with a horse?  I'm sure it would serve as a happy medium between paladin and non-paladin classes if this change was put into effect.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have seen this similar topic posted before with 0 replies which leads me to believe that the one's claiming to not be jealous of a paladin horse are in fact jealous.  After all, this is a paladin forum with most horse-related posts coming from non-paladin classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's ashame everyone can't focus on doing positive work to address problems with all character classes including borked spells, quests, etc. that would make gameplay better for the whole community.  I would love to see "neat" and "cool" things like professions that morph into wolves and bears be able to move around the same mobs without drawing aggro as an example.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Kalen</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kunathar
02-01-2005, 04:14 AM
http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=9611#M9611*too lazy to format...copy/paste link.Beware...that post is at 50 pages atm. Not to mention the many other wannabe threads, when compared to the one noted above, that continue to crop up on this issue.<p>Message Edited by Kunathar on <span class=date_text>01-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:20 PM</span>

los
02-01-2005, 05:21 AM
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>To all you palis that think the fluff spell should NOT be fixed, lets put it this way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Make the BERSERKER FURY FIST fluff SPELL PROC 100 damage every 10 seconds</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Make the Mystic hawk giving a SUPER HEAL or SUPER WARD every 2 minutes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Its a FLUFF SPELL, now you get the idea? Its not jealousy, its just not fair or was designed to be that way. If anything should be nerfed, it should be that. Do you think the other classes FLUFF spells should have benefits also?<BR><BR>Step back and think for a moment. Its not jealousy, whats fair is fair, whats right is right.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>

SanJ
02-01-2005, 08:38 PM
<DIV>Loshe,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What was your take on my post regarding fairness?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Kalen</DIV>

Coyt
02-01-2005, 09:49 PM
<DIV>Loshe ? Did you step back and think before you wrote this ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>To all you palis that think the fluff spell should NOT be fixed, lets put it this way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Make the BERSERKER FURY FIST fluff SPELL PROC 100 damage every 10 seconds</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Make the Mystic hawk giving a SUPER HEAL or SUPER WARD every 2 minutes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>This would severly affect the outcome of every fight the Berzerk/Mysic took part in and imbalance them completely</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>Holy Steed does not.   Fair ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Its a FLUFF SPELL, now you get the idea? Its not jealousy, its just not fair or was designed to be that way. If anything should be nerfed, it should be that. Do you think the other classes FLUFF spells should have benefits also?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4><FONT color=#3333ff>Ill give one example of another fluff spell that i have found a use for. My 20 Warden gets dust cloud , 0 Damge but very long range </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4><FONT color=#3333ff>excellent for pulling when solo. My monks fluff spell is useless , tho kool.</FONT><BR><BR>Step back and think for a moment. Its not jealousy, whats fair is fair, whats right is right.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>Holy Steed gives 0% speed benefit in combat. But like the Dust cloud if used creatively can be usefull for pulling without locking combat. Several other classes get out of combat speed augmentations as well. The only argument I have seen concerning that fact is </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>that its part of the class. Anyone who thinks that a horse doesnt fit the Knight/Pally class is silly. All this would be moot if they had given it as a class spell for every crusader at 19.6. Perhaps there in lies the mistake.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>The best reason I  can see for not nerfing the speed buff on the horse is that then it wouldnt fit the class. What knight would ride around on the gimpyest horse possible? A horse that can only go as fast as a person with no sprint would be a detriment.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>I play a 25 Pally and while i do agree that its the most usefull fluff spell in the game it is also the only one that becomes completely trivialised at mid to upper levels. How many other fluff spells can be purchased for any amount of money ?  Fair  ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff size=4>All in all I think you didnt do your (not jealous) argument any credit.</FONT></DIV></DIV>

luwkw
02-02-2005, 01:28 AM
Pointless post, may as well lock it. They aren't going to give every class a horse. No sympathy points for you.