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Cloudcr
12-10-2004, 11:23 PM
<DIV>Is this skill upgradedable? I was thinking it is like FIghting Chance (stuck at app1)</DIV>

kraq
12-11-2004, 12:10 AM
it's upgradeable.. but you get a 'replacement' around 30.. i'm not sure it's a direct replacement because i do not know if they stack

Lawman
12-11-2004, 12:58 AM
<DIV>I have Knights Stance Adept 1..   someone was spamming it in TS.  20s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Cloudcr
12-11-2004, 01:01 AM
<DIV>I still have app1 version, and it gives me +4 to defense, etc. How much does the adept 1 increase your defense skill? THanks</DIV>

Lawman
12-11-2004, 01:11 AM
<DIV>To be completely honest?  Ive never looked...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will go look right now, since youre around..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Renn
12-11-2004, 01:20 AM
It gives you a small bonus to AC, but the part that helps the most is that it ups your Shield skills, so you will block more. Its a very large difference when you put it all together.

Lawman
12-11-2004, 01:21 AM
<DIV>Vigor of Trust - App2</DIV> <DIV>Knights Stance - Adept 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vigor of Trust -</DIV> <DIV>+50 AC</DIV> <DIV>+19 Health</DIV> <DIV>+11 Str</DIV> <DIV>+11 Sta</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Knights Stance -</DIV> <DIV>-8 Atk</DIV> <DIV>+9 AC</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks like I should have gotten the Vigor of Trust Adept... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I thought it was a signifigant amount of AC</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wont be using Knights Stance anymore... lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Lawman
12-11-2004, 01:22 AM
<DIV>Knights Stance-Adept 1-Level 26</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-8 Atk</DIV> <DIV>+9 AC</DIV> <DIV>+5 Buckler</DIV> <DIV>-5 Crushing</DIV> <DIV>+6 Defense</DIV> <DIV>+5 Kite Shield</DIV> <DIV>+5 Round Shield</DIV> <DIV>-5 Slashing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That changes things a little <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Lawman on <span class=date_text>12-10-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:31 PM</span>

Cloudcr
12-11-2004, 02:12 AM
<DIV>Okay, +6 to defense is good. I have noticed that your defense skill is THE most important stat determining whether you get hit (enemy misses or not). Even a +2 to defense can make a difference, especially against green ^^ mobs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would rather have +6 to defense skill, than +100 to AC. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Cloudcrak on <span class=date_text>12-10-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:14 PM</span>

Lawman
12-11-2004, 03:41 AM
<DIV>Just turned 27... stats still remain the same.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I only got 1 skill point in each thing tho... that kinda sucks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Reev
12-11-2004, 04:22 AM
<DIV>I think it was in BoomJack's Paladin guide that Knights Stance was broken, is this true?  I have opted to use other things for my conc points since I haven't upgraded Knight's Stance, but would like to know if this ability even works as it should.</DIV>

Takicha
12-11-2004, 04:37 AM
<DIV>+6 defense is pretty good actually, thats more then a lvl difference.</DIV>

Kriterian
12-11-2004, 05:23 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lawman wrote:<BR> <DIV>Knights Stance-Adept 1-Level 26</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-8 Atk</DIV> <DIV>+9 AC</DIV> <DIV>+5 Buckler</DIV> <DIV>-5 Crushing</DIV> <DIV>+6 Defense</DIV> <DIV>+5 Kite Shield</DIV> <DIV>+5 Round Shield</DIV> <DIV>-5 Slashing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That changes things a little <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Lawman on <SPAN class=date_text>12-10-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's what it did at Apprentice I. At level 24 and Adept I,  it currently raises everything by 13 (except defense which goes up by 16) and reduces everything by 13.<BR>

BiggerSmal
12-11-2004, 05:50 AM
As Knight's Stance starts to turn green/grey, It loses power. I felt like such an idiot when I was level 27 and bought Adept III. Yeah it was great at first, it was giving me 20 Defense and 10 shield! Then by the time I got my upgrade, (around level 30). It only gave 5 defense/5 shield. To be honest I don't know if it was nerfed or it just starts to scale down really fast as you out grow it. Kinda [Removed for Content] me off though, because the "upgrade" doesn't give you Shielding bonus. Just defense and better aggro.If they're going to force you to upgrade because your skills become obsolete, they should at least leave in the basic abilities of the old skill.

Cloudcr
12-11-2004, 06:02 AM
<DIV>Biggersmalls: I'm a bit confused about what you mean, can you explain again? What do you mean it loses power when it becomes green?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am level 26 and still have Knight's Stance at app1, it gives me +4 to defense. What do you suggest to do?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edited: I just got app3, and my defense only goes to +5 now. I don't know how you had +20 even at adept III. It must have been nerfed. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Cloudcrak on <span class=date_text>12-10-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:18 PM</span>

Jum
12-11-2004, 03:18 PM
<DIV>It goes upgrade however it takes a few levels to gain just 1 defence from it, also if you only have app1 or 2 you most likly have allready mastered it you need to get a higher version to get more benifit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is my favorite ability so far well exept blessed aid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am currently 24 and can solo low end green group mobs because they cant hit me, if I fight them without it I get slaughtered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Bladezil
12-11-2004, 08:14 PM
<DIV>Oh yeah.. Knights Stance isn't worth using till you atleast get adept 1. When you do.. it's nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0099cc size=4>- Bladezilla Killa - Sexiest Ogre Paladin.. Ever</FONT></DIV>

Jum
12-11-2004, 08:36 PM
<DIV>Yea saw an adept 3 in the shop for 12 gold, I almost bought it but then I would have been completly broke so I had to use some willpower.</DIV>

Cloudcr
12-11-2004, 10:24 PM
<DIV>Man I am on everfrost, and I can't even find Righteous anger adept 1!. I am spamming asking for tons of low level adepts and paying 1 gold per adept 1. No one even responds. I've only seen about 3 paladin adepts for sale on the market for 3 weeks or so. </DIV>

Cloudcr
12-12-2004, 12:52 AM
<DIV>Kriterian, I am level 27 and just upraded Knight's Stance to ADept 1, it only raises my defense by +6, and shield skills by +5. How the heck did you get +16 to defense?</DIV>

Jum
12-12-2004, 01:30 PM
<DIV>16 points of defence !!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im 24 and mine is also only giving 6 and thats alot (over an extra level of defence)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>+ 16 defence is more then 3 levels of defence this would make you tank whites like a normal person tanks greens......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you somehow got +16 I would really like to know how <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Jumex on <span class=date_text>12-12-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:32 AM</span>

KariosKas
12-12-2004, 02:16 PM
<DIV>Knight's Stance as well as some of the equivalent Guardian defense skills has been ninja-nerfed by the devs last week without notice.  On one hand, this is utterly irresponsible of them and they should at least put up a notice when they implement such a large nerf.  On the other hand, it was too powerful to begin with, and its current bonus is a little more balanced.  I remember I had like +15 to shield skills before, now I have +5.  Defense bonus is also nerfed accordingly.  Groups were getting so that you could tank something 8 levels above you all day.  This margin only increases as you get higher in levels.  If this nerf wasn't in place, level 35 tanks would be able to stand up to level 50's without breaking a sweat.</DIV>

Auron
12-14-2004, 12:07 PM
<DIV>At 30.6 you get Shining Beacon, and upgrade to Knights Stance.  Plus these skills up your skill in shields as well.</DIV>

thehunterhunt
12-14-2004, 09:02 PM
<DIV>They put a cap in a lil while ago to limit skill buffs.</DIV>