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Thematr
11-29-2004, 10:49 AM
<DIV>All of you who have got your horses probably got it that the horse is mostly just a toy graphic, one of those playful social spells for amusement and aesthetics, it doesn't go that much faster than a normal run speed, but it's better than nothing till you get a real horse (which sucks because makes that "social" worthless as "unique", unless we can buy other classes social spells too, which we can't, so it's another paladin rip).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, while finding my horse scroll I noticed "Summon Squire" was marked the same as Holy Steed. This summon squire is a joke I think, it's a social spell. I always was thinking it was like a pet, maybe I just got the wrong impression. I thought this might be the thing that would level us a bit against the other fighter sub-classes since we are getting ripped off (imho) on duel wield, tower shields, and ranged weapons. But as these social spells aren't apprentice/adept/master flagged, it must not be a fighting pet, unless a very very very crappy fighting pet. I've seen rangers with birds following them, I wonder if this will be the same thing, I have no idea what those birds do besides float around you. But if our squire has the benefits on scale with our horse, how much you wanna bet its ability is to carry extra stuff for us...Maybe it gives us more weight capacity or a few extra slots (though I doubt that). I suppose extra slots would be quite nice for looting in solo maybe, but I'm dissapointed I won't get a halfway decent pet to mess with. Does anyone have any information on what this spell does? or see it in action?</DIV>

DTJay
11-29-2004, 12:18 PM
<DIV>I'm not sure at all but you're probably right.  Level 20 means animal form for many, which has a direct effect on their health, power, etc.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paladins can never purchase a spell to change shape (that I know of) but the shape-changers can buy a horse that is faster than ours.  Fair?  Not really.  Is life?  Nope.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd hope that in turn we'd have some unique options with our horse.  Faster than the horses you can buy when you hit a certain level.  Something to that effect.  Something worthwhile in the long run.</DIV>

Corda
11-29-2004, 01:17 PM
<DIV>In EQ1 we had the fastest horses in game... why can't we here?</DIV> <DIV><BR>Seems like it would keep the game balanced and make us happy if they just made Holy Steed get faster as you level.</DIV>

Vai
11-29-2004, 03:11 PM
<DIV>It makes sense to me that the horse, initially, is not much faster than running speed.  I mean think about it, paladins and shadowknights get a horse much faster than most people can (for now, anyways, I'm sure it'll change in the future) simply because of our class(es).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, if after buying the upgrades the summoned horse does not get any faster, I'd say it'd be time to /bug and /feedback that thing.</DIV>

prisoner
11-29-2004, 05:14 PM
<DIV>I got my horse and I was able to outrun my group by a large margin while they had spirit of the wolf on,  and there is a huge difference between run speed and SoW.  So.. for overland travel,  the horse so far is very nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm wondering the same about the squire though.  I can't imagine it does all too much,  maybe a single battle cast with a long reuse timer to add some extra dps or something.  Nothing too useful but hey, dps is dps I always say.  Guess we'll just have to wait and see.</DIV>

Sheerz
11-29-2004, 06:05 PM
<DIV>Me and a friend was discussing a bit on this matter and so far we think it's a portable mender. I mean, a squire does take care of his knights armor and such, and frankly, at those levels you might not have a city or village that close to you with a mender since, yes, you are going to die now and then.</DIV> <DIV>Still waiting to see what SOE has made it to thou.</DIV>

Memna
11-29-2004, 07:03 PM
<DIV>A portable mender is a good idea, hope its something useful then just some npc following you around. :smileyhappy:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Memnark on <span class=date_text>11-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 AM</span>

Reev
11-29-2004, 09:42 PM
<DIV>I really don't know what the gripe is about the horses.  We don't even have horse purchasing yet ingame do we?  Or if there is I don't know anyone that can afford one.  Our horse is faster than SOW so in essence we have the fastest run buff ingame.  Though losing your horse in water bites.  I can live with recasting during zoning, but c'mon, there's a lot of water around.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll dump any complaints about horse run speed until it's something to complain about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for squires, isn't their usual role to carry and take care of things?  It struck me as odd when I saw it on the spell list, and wondered too if it was a combat pet or not, but after reading the musings of what it might be, I have to say sounds more logical to that it would be another backpack or a mender.  Though who said anything was logical in life!</DIV>

Memna
11-29-2004, 09:51 PM
<DIV>I think what alot of people are thinking is that the paly horse isn't that fast, its faster then normal running and thats about it, and what people are concerned about is the fact that our paly horses will be not up to par with purchased horses down the road so our "summon holy steed" spell will become useless, yet some other classes would still find uses for their's. I think there should be levels of "Summon Steed's" like for example,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>20 - <FONT color=#ffcc00>Holy Steed </FONT>(Slight speed increase)</DIV> <DIV>30 - <FONT color=#ffcc00>Noble Steed</FONT> (Better speed increase)</DIV> <DIV>40 - <FONT color=#ffcc00>Great Steed</FONT> (Better speed increase, glowing eye's)</DIV> <DIV>50 - <FONT color=#ffcc00>Majestic Pegasus</FONT> (Top speed increase, faster then any other horse, glowing eye's, hooves + wings)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure a little of that is dreaming, but would be really cool hehe. :smileyhappy:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Memnark on <span class=date_text>11-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 AM</span>

Cosmos_Sag
11-29-2004, 09:55 PM
<DIV>Begs a question that I obviously don't have the answer for...but the holy steed power can be upgraded, correct? Who can make these? Scribes I'm guessing?</DIV>

Malad
11-30-2004, 12:26 AM
<DIV>You guys got to be kidding me complaining about the horses right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You do know some classes get crap like make people bow, cringe, dance, or some useless illusions.  Plus it is faster than SoW buffed groups or the free j-boots so if you ask me we got one of the best 'fun' spells for level 20.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Who cares if it eventually becomes 'out dated' becasuse you can buy a better horse.  At least it was useful at some point unlike making people who are in your group and lower level than you bow.</DIV>

Cosmos_Sag
11-30-2004, 05:44 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maladen wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You do know some classes get crap like make people bow, cringe, dance, or some useless illusions.  Plus it is faster than SoW buffed groups or the free j-boots so if you ask me we got one of the best 'fun' spells for level 20.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Who cares if it eventually becomes 'out dated' becasuse you can buy a better horse.  At least it was useful at some point unlike making people who are in your group and lower level than you bow.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> Now wait a second, just because some other class gets a lame or useless power doesn't mean we have to wish the same on ourselves! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Seriously though, I think the horse is a defining aspect of the Paladin and Shadowknight classes. We are knights, part of the holy (or unholy) aristocracy if you will. The image of the horse-bound crusader on the war-bred stallion, bearing shield and sword or lance is a staple of fantasy literature for centuries now--its not merely a recent conjuration by any stretch of the imagination.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> If you ask me, the only real thing wrong with the classes are that the horses may not be a long-lived staple (that is, they will at some point no longer be an aspect of the class that sets them apart) and that those two classes (or three if you count crusader) cannot use polearms. If they modified the class according to those two points alone I think very few people would find things to "complain" about. Honestly I don't even really see these as complaints that people offer, but merely genuine concerns that a defining aspect of their class will have little or no value over the long term. And expressing that concern seems perfectly sensible, if not expected, to me. *Shrugs*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Cosmos_Sagan on <span class=date_text>11-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:45 PM</span>

Visa
11-30-2004, 06:07 AM
<DIV>*raises finger* "Oh shield boy!" Maybe he runs behind our slow pony with a bucket and a shovel!</DIV>

Tomodac
11-30-2004, 09:57 PM
It's a 'fun' spell that happens to be extremely useful to us in the level range we receive it. Stop complaining. : ) Consider this... at level 20, if you're fighting a mob on horseback and have to run because the fight goes bad (which probably means you're low on power as well) the pally on the horse will most likely live... the power-depleated and non-sprinting crusader will perish more often than not.It becomes obsoleted later on? no kidding. Do you still use taunt? or have you replaced it with inflame yet?

Theo
11-30-2004, 11:40 PM
<DIV>tee hee i still use taunt cause its adept 1 and i havnt found adept inflame yet <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> hahah * [Removed for Content] dont make fun * </DIV>

Ghu
12-01-2004, 02:32 AM
<DIV>Just thought I'd mention, Holy Steed is NOT upgradable. It is not listed as an app1 spell. It has no app rating at all.</DIV>

Ghu
12-01-2004, 02:32 AM
<DIV>Grr.. double post</DIV><p>Message Edited by Ghunn on <span class=date_text>11-30-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:33 PM</span>

Theo
12-01-2004, 02:37 AM
<DIV>so .. besides horse .. does this squire do dmg or not ?? **ZOMG** is it gonna be .. does anyone remember from beta?</DIV>

Tyt
12-01-2004, 02:57 AM
<DIV>When they announced the spells the Squire was listed amongst the "social" or "eyecandy" type spells. The Knight, SW of BB  (Jared?) has a squire and his steed is also eating some hay <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Perhaps our Squire will send young crusaders off on a quest to gather goblin ears for us or maybe make a niftly little camp whilst we are off adventuring or help us dismount correctly so when we sit to eat a leg of mutton we dont get spammed with...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"you cannot do that whilst sitting..."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Theo
12-01-2004, 03:00 AM
<DIV>hehe im really geting a kick outta this. .. the fact of actually haveing a slave follow u around and do all ur bidding? lol. like a little brother .. or a girlfriend haha j/k <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> anyway big hopes on a squire to assist in battle. .. <BR>never played a cleric in eq1 . but couldnt they cast a spell that sommoned a pet that atk'd mobs .. or a hammer or something that atk'd mobs ? </DIV>

Tyt
12-01-2004, 03:04 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Theory wrote:<BR> <DIV>hehe im really geting a kick outta this. .. the fact of actually haveing a slave follow u around and do all ur bidding? lol. like a little brother .. or a girlfriend haha j/k <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> anyway big hopes on a squire to assist in battle. .. <BR>never played a cleric in eq1 . but couldnt they cast a spell that sommoned a pet that atk'd mobs .. or a hammer or something that atk'd mobs ? </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yeah and it was pretty much worthless unless they were quick fingered and could target>buff it before it took riposte dmg and died <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I used to know a Dwarf that swore by his hammer and woul cast it every fight whenever possible <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dyvan
12-01-2004, 03:11 AM
Fact : Holy Steed summons a mount that the Paladin can use which makes you move faster than SoW, Pathfinding, Sprint. With no power depletion and lasts for 12 hours.Fact : Holy Steed is a 'flavor' spell.Why complain? It was put in the game to add immersion to your class as merely something extra! This whining post is the equivalent of saying that my oak queen bed IS JUST A BED! It doesn't fly or give me super powers. Waaaa. Paladins are already a powerhouse in the game AND they get a horse at level 20! I barely have a platinum and it costs 2P + gold or a ton of SP for a low end horse and we get it for free! What more do you want? Free platinum delivered to your bank by a harem of naked women?/sigh

Rowdi
12-01-2004, 01:22 PM
<DIV>From what I understood in beta the squire will be a 30 second thing that is similar to our "pet proc" from the flaming spear in EQ1. The essences you capture in battle from a spell you get at 23 or 24 (don't remember offhand...just keep seeing more of these essences appearing in my bag) are the regent for summoning the squire.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He is either an extra dps or he heals you in battle... not sure which one SOE finally picked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adding this in..the spell list I have says these essences are now used for a heal we get at 29...so maybe they made a last minute decision to go a different way with the squire. As it stands I'm trying to relay what I read on the beta boards after one of the last patches before live. There was a big thread on pal/sk pets and what they did etc. Unfortunately I was not able to level that high before the end to see for myself. =(</DIV><p>Message Edited by Rowdi on <span class=date_text>12-01-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:28 AM</span>

Jedd
12-01-2004, 01:56 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prisoner17 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I got my horse and I was able to outrun my group by a large margin while they had spirit of the wolf on,  and there is a huge difference between run speed and SoW.  So.. for overland travel,  the horse so far is very nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm wondering the same about the squire though.  I can't imagine it does all too much,  maybe a single battle cast with a long reuse timer to add some extra dps or something.  Nothing too useful but hey, dps is dps I always say.  Guess we'll just have to wait and see.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I totally agree. Love the holy steed. Lot's of running in EQ2. Now if they would just add a sound effect to the running of the steed it would be perfect.

Sheerz
12-01-2004, 03:57 PM
<DIV>I agree, muffled hoves are no fun when you want to be heard a mile away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Maybe they are coming in a few patches, but they just need to finish the sounds.. I mean, there are sounds for every kind of boot on every kind of surface already there, so I believe it is coming in a not too far off patch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to not derail the thread, I say we wait until someone actually Has the squire to continue the discussion and we can see what it is. Right now it's kind of pointless to do with no clue and no dev comments on the subject.</DIV> <DIV>Thou, I still hold true to my previous post.. it's a portable mender <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Khael-
12-01-2004, 06:14 PM
<blockquote><hr>Tytch wrote:<DIV>When they announced the spells the Squire was listed amongst the "social" or "eyecandy" type spells. The Knight, SW of BB (Jared?) has a squire and his steed is also eating some hay <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Perhaps our Squire will send young crusaders off on a quest to gather goblin ears for us or maybe make a niftly little camp whilst we are off adventuring or help us dismount correctly so when we sit to eat a leg of mutton we dont get spammed with...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>"you cannot do that whilst sitting..."</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><hr></blockquote>Haha, no kidding. Another good one is "The water is too deep to do that here" or whatever it says <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

JarredDarque
12-04-2004, 03:13 PM
<DIV>Bah  biggst thing wrong with steed    our wonderful straight legged jump!   tell me that is not the most ridiculous looking thing ever.    Honestly, I think we have the best lvl 20 spell.    and it only cost 14s versus what....2p for the slow one?</DIV>

BiggerSmal
12-04-2004, 06:21 PM
<DIV>Hey <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=43788" target=_blank><SPAN>Memnark</SPAN></A> where in the world did you find Noble Steed? I'm level 31 now and I've never even heard of it. I checked the skill merchant in Eldar Grove and he had all my other level 30+ skills but didn't have Noble Steed. Please get back to me soon, thanks =)<BR></DIV>

Azur
12-04-2004, 10:42 PM
<DIV>had you actually read memnark's post. He was saying that those are spells he would LIKE to see. They do not actually exist.</DIV>

Spirit
12-04-2004, 11:05 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dyvanos wrote:<BR>Paladins are already a powerhouse in the game AND they get a horse at level 20! I barely have a platinum and it costs 2P + gold or a ton of SP for a low end horse and we get it for free! What more do you want? Free platinum delivered to your bank by a harem of naked women?<BR><BR>/sigh<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>If the horse was free, there's a Froglok trainer in Qeynos ripping everyone off. You said "and we get it for free", implying that you are a Paladin. You are either not a Paladin or one who is lower than level 20 and hasn't got his horse yet. You're basing you're opinions on what other people have said and you're passing it off as fact. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't do that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Additionally, Paladins are no more a "powerhouse" than any other class. I don't know what that word was intending to mean, other than to try and give the impression there's a class balance issue with Pallies. If you'd like to produce some form of parsing or statistical data that backs that fact up, great. Until you do so, I'm going to assume you don't know why you said that yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I'm hesistant about pulling you up on the comment you made that Holy Steed is faster than Sprint, SoW and Pathfinding. Sprint I'm very doubtful on especially, I don't know about the other two. Again, if anyone is prepared to produce some statistical data that goes further than what "feels to be the case" I'm sure the dev team will look into it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And for the record, I have no complaints with our Holy Steed.</DIV>

Zogl
12-05-2004, 09:07 AM
and for the record nobody cares! haha j/k ... well not really but yeah.How about the steed shoot lasers out of it's eyes at lvl 50 and trample on people (especially gnomes and guardians)

Spirit
12-05-2004, 10:20 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> </P> <P>Zoglog wrote:<BR></P> <P>haha j/k ... well not really but yeah.<BR><BR></P> <P> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>:smileyisthereadoctorinthehouse:</DIV>

legaeveth
12-05-2004, 06:49 PM
<DIV>Well i bought the squire and he's nothing more then a novelty item.  he's on a 1200 second recast timer,doesnt zone with you so when you zone he's gone till your spell refreshes.  He has little to hardly any hps and doesn't do a thing but tag along.   Very disappointing.</DIV>

Sheerz
12-05-2004, 08:23 PM
<DIV>Well, that was a bit of a dissapointment... no utility at all...</DIV>

xrippe
12-07-2004, 10:41 PM
<DIV>I think the horses would be much more useful if you received a attack bonus for being on the horse.  Being higher or more mobile.  Real life knights were the Abrams tanks of the past.  They were pretty much unstopable because of their speed and the ability to be heavly armored because the horse carried the weight and not the knight.  EVEN IF they gave the horse the ability to attack.  Hoof damage if you will at mellee range.</DIV>

Gilasil
12-07-2004, 11:12 PM
Seeing as how I just finished riding all over Antonica pretty much with impunity I'd say the horses have great utility. They're relatively fast compared to what other level 20s have access to (I was forever having to ride around slow moving foot bound players going the same way as me), and I leave the mobs in the dust. It got to the point where I didn't even care if I rode through some mobs. They might land a couple hits but that would be about it -- not even enough to scratch my hit points. Every once in a while I'd look back and see an impressive train of gnolls running after me in vain. I agree that the horse isn't going to make paladins uber with repsect to all other classes but I doubt that was the intent. I remember talking with one guy I was grouped with about the paladin horse. His response was he got a cat instead. I think I got the best of that deal.I also agree it's graphics and animations leave something to be desired but presumably that's a problem with all EQ2 horses and doesn't affect utility. They worked real hard on player character graphics but every thing else isn't nearly as good.If roots and such becomes more common I'll have to be a bit more careful. Still, it's pretty nice to have.

Fury
12-08-2004, 01:01 AM
I ran several long timed tests when I was 20 and found that the Holy Steed is ~22% faster than run speed.My defiler friend has to SOW and Sprint to even stay in the same range <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sure helps on those race quests, until we hit water. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> heh.Anyone seen flotation pillows for Suryan? He'd be much obliged. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

St23
12-08-2004, 01:17 AM
<DIV>What I would like to see is a Racial Steed. For instance I would like to have my Dwarf ride a gaint bear or badger .. that would be unique... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ogres with Rhinos like in one of the concept art pics .... etc.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by St23aM on <SPAN class=date_text>12-07-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:17 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by St23aM on <span class=date_text>12-07-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

Reev
12-08-2004, 03:31 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> legaeveth wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well i bought the squire and he's nothing more then a novelty item.  he's on a 1200 second recast timer,doesnt zone with you so when you zone he's gone till your spell refreshes.  He has little to hardly any hps and doesn't do a thing but tag along.   Very disappointing.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You've got to be kidding!!!!!  He doesn't do ANYTHING????????? Does he at least attack or something? 

Veuclori
12-08-2004, 05:12 AM
<DIV>Nobody should  even dare to complain about the horse... guardians get a [Removed for Content] smokey hand aka hand of lag</DIV>

RioR
12-08-2004, 08:46 AM
<P>The horse is good enough. The squire is suppose to cast benificial spells on your group. If it does not work why don't you /bug it? That is how you get things noticed by the devs. At worse you'll get an answer on what the spell is suppose to be for.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>...and no, we should not have dual wield.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by RioRio on <span class=date_text>12-07-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:52 PM</span>

Derc
12-09-2004, 03:32 PM
<DIV>Got it a few days ago...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It summons as a male or female at random with Human Model. It wears Grayish armor, Long sword and wears no Helm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will not attack, guard or guard here... only Stay, Follow and Dimiss.  If it gets hit by ae it will run up to mob with sword out but will not hit the mob ( checked logged for 2 fights) It does not Heal or buff Like it supposidly did in beta. ( no inventory space or mending for whoever suggested it might have that) very very rarely the pet draws agro from an add in an encounter and takes a few hits but that doesnt really make up for the fact you have to heal them sometimes if they take too much ae dmg. On top of that the squire has mage pet names...like Kostik, Kobanik etc which is kinda dumb</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Between This and having to use a Grey AE taunt and blue single taunt for 2 lvls so far now, low 40s not looking good for Pld..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps: Pet died while i was typing this =p</DIV> <DIV>Edited:  It also is on the same timer as your essence heal so...its not really even a good idea to showoff your pet while grouped since Essence heal can be really handy for when things go bad</DIV><p>Message Edited by DercSF on <span class=date_text>12-09-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:49 AM</span>

Reev
12-09-2004, 10:55 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DercSF wrote:<BR> <DIV>Got it a few days ago...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It summons as a male or female at random with Human Model. It wears Grayish armor, Long sword and wears no Helm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will not attack, guard or guard here... only Stay, Follow and Dimiss.  If it gets hit by ae it will run up to mob with sword out but will not hit the mob ( checked logged for 2 fights) It does not Heal or buff Like it supposidly did in beta. ( no inventory space or mending for whoever suggested it might have that) very very rarely the pet draws agro from an add in an encounter and takes a few hits but that doesnt really make up for the fact you have to heal them sometimes if they take too much ae dmg. On top of that the squire has mage pet names...like Kostik, Kobanik etc which is kinda dumb</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Between This and having to use a Grey AE taunt and blue single taunt for 2 lvls so far now, low 40s not looking good for Pld..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps: Pet died while i was typing this =p</DIV> <DIV>Edited:  It also is on the same timer as your essence heal so...its not really even a good idea to showoff your pet while grouped since Essence heal can be really handy for when things go bad</DIV> <P>Message Edited by DercSF on <SPAN class=date_text>12-09-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:49 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Thanks for the summary, good info there, though very very sad info <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Spirit
12-09-2004, 11:11 PM
<DIV>In an odd sort of way, I'm sorta glad Summon Squire is useless. I really wasn't looking forward to the jibes I'd get from friends and guildies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Send Jeeves over to polish my shoes good man."</DIV> <DIV>"When are you two getting married."</DIV> <DIV>"Pally and Jeeves, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well you know how guildies can be. :smileytongue:</DIV>

RioR
12-10-2004, 01:39 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DercSF wrote:<BR> <DIV>Got it a few days ago...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It summons as a male or female at random with Human Model. It wears Grayish armor, Long sword and wears no Helm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will not attack, guard or guard here... only Stay, Follow and Dimiss.  If it gets hit by ae it will run up to mob with sword out but will not hit the mob ( checked logged for 2 fights) It does not Heal or buff Like it supposidly did in beta. ( no inventory space or mending for whoever suggested it might have that) very very rarely the pet draws agro from an add in an encounter and takes a few hits but that doesnt really make up for the fact you have to heal them sometimes if they take too much ae dmg. On top of that the squire has mage pet names...like Kostik, Kobanik etc which is kinda dumb</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Between This and having to use a Grey AE taunt and blue single taunt for 2 lvls so far now, low 40s not looking good for Pld..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps: Pet died while i was typing this =p</DIV> <DIV>Edited:  It also is on the same timer as your essence heal so...its not really even a good idea to showoff your pet while grouped since Essence heal can be really handy for when things go bad</DIV> <P>Message Edited by DercSF on <SPAN class=date_text>12-09-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:49 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks...maybe someone who has the spell should report this. It might not be working the way SOE wanted it to. <BR>

Auron
12-22-2004, 07:19 AM
<DIV>i have the squire and he can attack and everything, havent used him in a serious situation yet but he is a pet</DIV>

Auron
12-22-2004, 09:46 AM
<DIV>i retract that, he has the option to attack in pet window but he wont actually attack.</DIV>

Thematr
12-22-2004, 11:37 AM
<DIV>Heh, why'd I get a 1 star on this? Just was given info to other paladins, there was must questiona bout this in beta...oh well, just curious.</DIV>

Vampiro
12-23-2004, 02:37 AM
<DIV><FONT color=#cc9900><STRONG>At What level does squire become available?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>

Meridious
12-23-2004, 09:02 AM
Account 1: PaladinAccount 2: WardenBoth same level. Warden has wolf form and/or SoW. My Holy Steed leaves the Warden in the dust in wolf form, in wolf form with SoW stacked (Yes, it stacks) and in human form with SoW.Steed leaves him in the dust....WHen I have the Warden on auto, I have to stop the paladin time after time or I will completely lose him.So, Paldin Steed is fast enough.

Valhakar
12-23-2004, 10:36 AM
<DIV>Anyone know how to make the steed faster when pulling?  When I pull anything with a spell/taunt the horse slows down to a crawl and the critter attacks me from behind.</DIV>

Vaelorn
12-23-2004, 04:05 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Valhakar wrote:<BR> <DIV>Anyone know how to make the steed faster when pulling?  When I pull anything with a spell/taunt the horse slows down to a crawl and the critter attacks me from behind.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> If you are engaged in combat, all movement speed buffs are disabled, and that includes the horse.  No kiting for you!

Vaelorn
12-23-2004, 04:21 PM
<DIV>This entire thread is pretty pointless.  The horse and the squire are fluff spells, added purely for entertainment and/or roleplay value.  Whining that your squire doesn't do anything but tag along is like whining that you get wet when you stand in the rain; there's really no point in it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Traditionally in fantasy, Knights of the realm would ride a horse.  Well established Knights would have some young fellow tag along with them to perform menial tasks, like fetching water or shining armor or something.  So in EQ2, we get a fluff spell that lets us ride around on a horse like a Knight tends to do, and later on once we've established ourselves as Knights we get a squire to tag along and add to the image of the traditional fantasy Knight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These things aren't supposed to do anything but make you look more like a Knight.  Their only practical use is for roleplay purposes.  Complaining that the horse isn't fast enough, or that the squire just stands there and does nothing, is really moot, because they're not *suppose* to do anything practical.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Wotfudb
12-23-2004, 06:19 PM
<DIV>I'm a Holy Knight... I have a trusty steed to help me get around... I can even call upon the services of a squire... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now.... where's my glowing lance?? :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously, the Holy Steed is a "god send" compared to other classes. I can see why other classes will be a little envious of such a spell. I'm a dwarf paladin, and riding around on the commonly named "My Little Pony" can be a little embarrassing... but hey... it stops me having to sprint to escape an encounter that has turned for the worse. I agree that the notion of having a higher "mounted attack" bonus would be marvellous, as would hoof noises and a proper jumping graphic, but let's not get carried away... if it happens then great, but if we all start squealing for more then we will look like we are ungrateful for what we have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the squire, I think fluff of this nature to make Paladins look more the part is good. Sure, we could all see ways of it being useful. I havent got this, but the info provided in this thread was very helpful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let us ride into battle and cleanse the unholy abominations from our land!!</DIV>

Auron
12-24-2004, 03:26 AM
<DIV>you get the squire at level 40 vampire, its pretty useless unlike the horse.  Many other people in my guild have bought horses and even the 5plat plus ones are not much faster then mine.  We are currently working on getting our guild to level 15 and seeing if those horses are worth the money/effort</DIV>