Anyone else disheartened with no FREE AA respec?

[Phank]

<DIV>A major change occured to our Legionairre's Wrath and we did not get a free AA respec.  Am I insane to have assumed the respec would happen this update for those affected?</DIV>

[MorgothTheTerrib]

Isn't the first respec like 1 silver or 1 gold? Can't afford that?

[Phank]

For people that have already tested the different AA lines, it price goes up.  It's over 1 plat for me now, [Removed for Content].

[Hicar]

<DIV>Thing is this change is not unexpected. I don't think i need to explain why to you. Other thing is that the nerf is soft handed. Going from 12,5 to 8,5 and not so long after the release is very reasonnable. It doesn't change the nature of that AA line. It's still one of our best AA skills. And it's still powerfull. My AA template (same before and after the nerf) has 5 points in legionnaire's wrath. That was 62,5 % of spell crits. I was always in the tops of parsers when i am going dps, sometime top one, with dps going from anywhere between 650 to 1000, much of this dps coming from spells and spell crits. With 8 points, you now have 68 %of crit chance. That's above what i was standing at. You can expect do be still doing this kind of damage. So this nerf isn't really a reason to respect AA. You still have as many reason as before to choose this line and put as many points as before in it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's why i think they didn't give a free AA respec.</DIV>

[KamidariTuibumbi]

While I'm personally not too concerned about the change, since I expected it and still think the ability is worth having, I do think that a 32% nerf to an aa ability should probably warrant a free respec for those that would rather go another route now.<div></div>

[MorgothTheTerrib]

"For people that have already tested the different AA lines, it price goes up.  It's over 1 plat for me now, [Removed for Content]."[Removed for Content]? That's a pretty big word coming from you. Either way, you never stated that you had already respec'ed and you should know by now that anything and everything is subject to change. Even still, 1 plat's not a lot of money. Go do HoF, Vaults, and the Nest for some money. Oh, and while you're doing those, try to grow up. kk thanks.<div></div>

[Nataenel]

<P>It's no ones fault but your own that you respec'd enough times to have it cost you a plat now.  What is that 5 or 6 times?  It's pretty clearly documented that the cost goes up, so deal with it.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phank wrote:<BR> For people that have already tested the different AA lines, it price goes up.  It's over 1 plat for me now, [Removed for Content].<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P>

[rabid.pooh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nataenelas wrote:<div></div> <p>It's no ones fault but your own that you respec'd enough times to have it cost you a plat now.  What is that 5 or 6 times?  It's pretty clearly documented that the cost goes up, so deal with it.</p> <p>  </p> <blockquote> <hr> Phank wrote: <div></div>For people that have already tested the different AA lines, it price goes up.  It's over 1 plat for me now, [Removed for Content]. <hr> </blockquote> <hr></blockquote>Basically they've changed it significantly.  So I can see it warrenting a free respec.  However I wasn't put out to far.As far as it being his fault?  Tell me what's the max hate we can get?  what's the max HP regen we can get, what's the max our axe ability goes to?  What effect does +34 to pierce, crush, etc have on the group? What happens if we have crit healing?  Do you know all this?  I sure the heck don't.Some people believe it or not want to know what the effects of the AA's actually mean for their character.  I've done 4 respecs so far, why?  Because all anyone talks about is the [Removed for Content] int line :p. Sometimes the clearest path isn't so clear, what use is bursting up to 64% haste if you miss x% of times.  I can tell you right now, with the wisdom line I don't miss, and the group doesn't miss either.  Now how does it balance out with that 64% haste I was getting before?  For someone who has tested the lines, 68% spell crits may effect their play enough that they want to switch lines.  For me the spell crits were a way of holding agro, I have fantastic group control with 100% spell crits, but now will the 15% hate increase from the STR line be better for that tanking?  This stuff adds up as we find a good spec to go with our play styles.So my point, 68% spell crit is significant enough to have an effect on how a character is being played, ergo a free respec wouldn't have been out of line.  This game changes that's true, and they've given out a lot of /respecs to go with those changes in the past.</div>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<P>No, I'm not disheartened by this.. I'm very happy about it cuz it creates such a horrible hatred simmering from adventurers. We have Sk agent in SOE and his single purpose of this is to make changes to AA to any classes OFTEN and encourages them to respec often til they racked up fee price and force them to pay high fees for good. That is very good way to drain money out of EQ2 thanks to SK agent's clever tactic PLUS its a clever tactic to spread hatred over the community. Hatred makes community strong and more driven. SK agent mission is succeeding well so far.. Psst SK agent.. Good job and keep it up.. </P> <P>Only fools (hopefully not SKs but I saw some SKs being fools already..) who respec often on little changes everytime or did no research beforehand ( I thought SKs supposed to be intelligent type of fighters)  going after min/max route all the time instead of trying to specialize in AA that fits their true RP goals and they would be more immune to respecs instead.. </P> <P>I never ever respec ONCE yet cuz I am sticking to my true RP character and happy with AA path I chose and I don't give any crap of any changes to AA unless AA itself changes RP character like Cavalier path of AGI path completely moved to strength line using horse for example then I would change. If people like to respec trying to keep min/max optimal then they should expect to pay lot of fees cuz AA itself will be changed nonstop over years as AA cap keep increasing and adding new AAs. I dont feel any pity on anyone who wasted 6+respecs already within 2 months since KOS's release. I am proud of them instead cuz they finally understand the meaning of true hatred..</P>

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>Phank wrote:<div></div>For people that have already tested the different AA lines, it price goes up.  It's over 1 plat for me now, [Removed for Content].<hr></blockquote>your the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] who repec'd constantly. <div></div>

[Mmaster]

Lots of people have done multiple respecs, it is your duty to your fellow players to be at your maximum ability, shame on those who havent experimented. SHAME!<span>:smileymad:</span> <div></div>

[Enigm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mmaster wrote:<BR>Lots of people have done multiple respecs, it is your duty to your fellow players to be at your maximum ability, shame on those who havent experimented. SHAME!<SPAN>:smileymad:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Mmmm really? I spend 99% of my time solo and really non of the AP skills are class breaking if you don't have them.</P> <P>Maybe you are time slipping back to EQ where what AA's you had or didn't have made or broke your toon?</P> <P>As for my fellow players, who cares what they want its all about me thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[rabid.pooh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocifer Deathblade wrote:<BR> <P>No, I'm not disheartened by this.. I'm very happy about it cuz it creates such a horrible hatred simmering from adventurers. We have Sk agent in SOE and his single purpose of this is to make changes to AA to any classes OFTEN and encourages them to respec often til they racked up fee price and force them to pay high fees for good. That is very good way to drain money out of EQ2 thanks to SK agent's clever tactic PLUS its a clever tactic to spread hatred over the community. Hatred makes community strong and more driven. SK agent mission is succeeding well so far.. Psst SK agent.. Good job and keep it up.. </P> <P>Only fools (hopefully not SKs but I saw some SKs being fools already..) who respec often on little changes everytime or did no research beforehand ( I thought SKs supposed to be intelligent type of fighters)  going after min/max route all the time instead of trying to specialize in AA that fits their true RP goals and they would be more immune to respecs instead.. </P> <P>I never ever respec ONCE yet cuz I am sticking to my true RP character and happy with AA path I chose and I don't give any crap of any changes to AA unless AA itself changes RP character like Cavalier path of AGI path completely moved to strength line using horse for example then I would change. If people like to respec trying to keep min/max optimal then they should expect to pay lot of fees cuz AA itself will be changed nonstop over years as AA cap keep increasing and adding new AAs. I dont feel any pity on anyone who wasted 6+respecs already within 2 months since KOS's release. I am proud of them instead cuz they finally understand the meaning of true hatred..</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Research before hand?  There was no research before hand, just going through the lines and seeing what they're like.  I see by your sig you have 16 aa's maybe you have more now.  Well I have 49, there were no posting saying what was what when you got how far up what path.  So you have to experiment.  I can tell you now that I found  the wisdom line is only really good for soloing (One would think it's a great group line, but the abilities in it have little impact).  I solo maybe 10 - 15% of the time, soooooo... respec time.  Tell me where's the posting going indepth on the wisdom to let the SK's know how good it is?</P> <P>While I do have some roleplayish characteristics (violence against elves being one ehm), I have two primary objectives, support my guild in raid format via a DPS role or a support role but I'll have to find which our class is better at.  The second objective is when grouped to let the wizzy cast Fusion, or let that warlock cast rift, I need hate, and I need how to figure out how to maintain that hate.  So I need to find a balance in the AA paths to achieve these two goals.  Like I said above the clearest path isn't the correct path, for instance you generate more hate criting spells then you do x% from the str line.</P> <P>Have fun in the agility line, and it's good it gives you an RP edge to your character while your chatting up Bilbo Baggins and Tasselhoff.  I really hope however I don't see any posts coming from you on how bad SK agro sucks, or how much our class lacks, because clearly you hadn't put the research into it.   A stupid SK believes everything he reads on the forums, a smart SK goes out and figures it himself.</P> <P> </P>

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>Mmaster wrote:Lots of people have done multiple respecs, it is your duty to your fellow players to be at your maximum ability, shame on those who havent experimented. SHAME!<span>:smileymad:</span> <div></div><hr></blockquote> I have respec'd but as a player i don't respec to respec. I research diffrent options before and try to make an educated choice on which path i want to take. Also talking to alot fo others of the same class and asking what path they took and what they thought of it helps get an idea. But a smart player will also think about the future. Possible changes and future expansions could alter your view on your toon. <div></div>

[pawnipt]

The point of this thread i imagine is saying basically, when everyone got AA nerfed they got a free respec, but sony waits for the next live update to nerf SK AA's and they never give us a free respec.  There is no way anyone can say that is fair, but yea sony doesnt always think everything thru.<div></div>

[Kryptonix]

I didnt know that the other classes got a respec when their AA's got nerfed.<div></div>

[Phank]

<div></div><div><font>The bottom line is this: we have been given 1 free respec in the past due to numerous changes to all AA lines.  It came with LU 21.  Precidence alone allows one to safely assume another respec would go out to Crusaders on this change.  I don't care what people say about the nerf, it is substantial.  Sure 68% is better than 0%, but a 32% decrease is HUGE.</font></div><div> </div><div><font>And as far as researching before you respec, that's hard to do when you are in the front of the mean AA level.  I have been at 50 AA for almost a month now.   Basically I tried all lines, even the Agility line, to see how it would fit with my play style, daily group and raid force.  I am just not about to pay 13p to change from INT line.  I'll wait til the next wave of nerfs and hopefully SOE will give us one more free respec, as precidence would dictate.</font></div><div></div>

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phank wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=+0>The bottom line is this: we have been given 1 free respec in the past due to numerous changes to all AA lines.  It came with LU 21.  Precidence alone allows one to safely assume another respec would go out to Crusaders on this change.  I don't care what people say about the nerf, it is substantial.  Sure 68% is better than 0%, but a 32% decrease is HUGE.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=+0>And as far as researching before you respec, that's hard to do when you are in the front of the mean AA level.  I have been at 50 AA for almost a month now.   Basically I tried all lines, even the Agility line, to see how it would fit with my play style, daily group and raid force.  I am just not about to pay 13p to change from INT line.  I'll wait til the next wave of nerfs and hopefully SOE will give us one more free respec, as precidence would dictate.</FONT></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm still happy with the INT path, even after suffering the nerf. You need to stop complaining and start saving for your respec.