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Caith
10-16-2017, 05:42 PM
Please provide any feedback or bugs for level 101 to 110 Woodworker recipes here. Please be as descriptive as possible when describing bugs with functionality.

Hot_Rod
10-20-2017, 09:58 PM
How do we get to 101 to start testing when (post today's patch) it still takes 174 million xp to get to 101? (or as someone else calculated, over 5000 writs!) Finally got my woodworker into beta, got the books but can't do more than read them.

Mercychalice
10-21-2017, 12:56 AM
arrow and cross bolt itemization seems a bit off.<br /><img src="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/261872676866359296/371084284619915266/unknown.png" class="bbCodeImage LbImage" alt="[IMG]" /><br /> <br />Could just be cause not 110 yet to see difference. But still looks a lil low.

Niami DenMother
10-21-2017, 01:53 AM
The level 100 woodworker writs now give decent xp and you can level to 101. However, once you ding to level 101, you can no longer receive that level 100 writ. Instead you are offered a "level 110" writ that displays as difficulty level 106, which is a similar pattern to other classes, even when they're asking for level 101 items. However, the woodworker one asks for recipes you don't have at level 101. This leaves you (currently) stuck at 101 with no sane leveling path until it is patched. /bug was submitted with the writ info.<br /> <br />Meanwhile, 200 fuel for a rare combine? Owie! (The two level 101 combines work just fine, FYI, just wincing at the current fuel listings)

Elowith
10-21-2017, 01:56 AM
Where are the level 100 writs?

Niami DenMother
10-21-2017, 03:01 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Elowith"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Elowith said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6469950#post-6469950" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Where are the level 100 writs?</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>Rush order NPCs ... crafting societies should offer them, and I know the guildhall rush order npcs are updated with them.

Niami DenMother
10-21-2017, 03:07 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Niami DenMother"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Niami DenMother said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6469948#post-6469948" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">The level 100 woodworker writs now give decent xp and you can level to 101. However, once you ding to level 101, you can no longer receive that level 100 writ. Instead you are offered a "level 110" writ that displays as difficulty level 106, which is a similar pattern to other classes, even when they're asking for level 101 items. However, the woodworker one asks for recipes you don't have at level 101. This leaves you (currently) stuck at 101 with no sane leveling path until it is patched. /bug was submitted with the writ info.<br /> <br />Meanwhile, 200 fuel for a rare combine? Owie! (The two level 101 combines work just fine, FYI, just wincing at the current fuel listings)</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />At this point, I am unsure if the writ is to blame, or the recipe books for woodworker. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="Smile" /> Level 101 only has 1 recipe in the essentials book, level 102 has 7 ... etc

Sejreia
10-21-2017, 10:52 PM
Lmao! Entwood Staff of Spirit in Essentials 105 has an icon of a Hairbrush <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" /><br />(~sorry, I'm easily entertained haha!)<br /> <br />p.s. In the same vol., Entwood Staff of Frenzy's icon is a throwing hammer, but not as funny <img src="/images/smilies/cool.gif" alt="Cool" />

Niami DenMother
10-23-2017, 11:58 PM
Woodworkers! You CAN level past 101. When you hit 101 and the new rush order asks for stuff not in the 101 book, swap over to (untimed) level 100 writs until you level into the right books. This is just a temporary thing, but it'll get the eager woodworkers into the leveling conga line. <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="BigGrin" />

Niami DenMother
10-24-2017, 12:47 AM
The amount of resources/fuel needed seems high for a mere 50 arrows. Shouldn't the handcrafted ones yield 200, and the rares should be more?

Sejreia
10-24-2017, 07:49 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Niami DenMother"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Niami DenMother said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6469965#post-6469965" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">At this point, I am unsure if the writ is to blame, or the recipe books for woodworker. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="Smile" /> Level 101 only has 1 recipe in the essentials book, level 102 has 7 ... etc</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br /> <br />Think you've hit on something here. Just got to consuming this book, Advanced Woodworker 102, tonight because of your post about how we can level past 101! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="Smile" /><br /> <br />Anyway, I went to craft the contents right after, as I normally do, and I couldn't craft the Rubicite Spear of Rage which is listed as a recipe. My log said I learned it, I have screenshots that it's in the book, and all info displays just as normal. It's just not there. I queried rubicite, spear, and rage and no go. Not that woodworkers have crafted Spears anyway. It must go in with Weaponsmith's recipe book and got flipwazzled somehow. I haven't checked the essentials yet, time for bed and server's going down.

Sejreia
10-24-2017, 11:15 PM
Ok, same result for Advanced Woodworker 104 and with the item; Rubicite Spear of Frenzy. Consumed the book, examined thoroughly and all information displays normally. It's not a weapon a WW makes and it is not available to make at the woodworking table.<br />Thank you! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="Smile" /><br /> <br />{I'm adding the following information, from my experience, in attempt to further help those to understand more the information Niami has so graciously given us on leveling woodworking past Lv. 101. After leveling to 102, using the Work Orders, I found I had to continue this way to 103. Level 102 to 103 was quite difficult, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel! <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="BigGrin" /> Once you hit 103 you can craft 2 of the 3 writs. Any writ listing a bow, trash it and grab until you get one without it (that bow is learned at Lv. 104) Once at 103, doing this, it's super smooth sailing in comparison!}

Sejreia
10-25-2017, 02:14 AM
Add Rubicite Spear of Force in Advanced Woodworker Vol. 105; Consumed the book, examined thoroughly and all information displays normally (though, icon looks like an epee). It's not a weapon a WW makes and it is not available to make when I try at the woodworking table.

Sejreia
10-25-2017, 02:54 AM
Add Etherium Spear of Force in <b>Woodworker Essential Vol. 106,</b> this time essentials; Consumed the book, examined thoroughly and all information displays normally. It's not a weapon a WW makes and it is not available to make when I try at the woodworking table.

Sionx
10-25-2017, 03:16 AM
It didn't strike me at first but then I noticed that the technique is actually <b>metalworking</b>, the fuel is <b>coal</b>, and it requires the <b>forge</b>, not the Woodworking table. It's interesting that the new crafting requires different stations and makes me wonder whether there is something about the new TS line that includes these crossovers.

Sejreia
10-25-2017, 04:15 AM
Woodworker Essentials Vol. 107 Has two spears that follow the same issues I've posted above; Etherium Spear of Frenzy and Etherium Spear of rage. To note, also, without these 2, level 107 woodworking only has 1 Recipe for their Essential and 1 recipe for their Advanced.<br />...and I'm done for the night, thanks!

Sejreia
10-25-2017, 04:30 AM
oh God... you're right @Sionx<br />~stares blankly~<br />well thanks for waking me up <img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" alt="Oops" /><br /> <br />Ok well Disregard ALL my posts here ..<span style="font-family: 'mceinline'">p..l..e..a..s..e..</span>

Niami DenMother
10-25-2017, 07:51 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Sionx"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Sionx said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6471925#post-6471925" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">It didn't strike me at first but then I noticed that the technique is actually <b>metalworking</b>, the fuel is <b>coal</b>, and it requires the <b>forge</b>, not the Woodworking table. It's interesting that the new crafting requires different stations and makes me wonder whether there is something about the new TS line that includes these crossovers.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />It sounds more like an error than anything else. Woodworker recipes would NOT be using metalworking for their recipes, as they'd be using level 10 reaction arts on level 100+ combines. So, either the spear recipes belong to weaponsmith and they ended up in the wrong class's books, or they belong to woodworker, and they need some fixing as to equipment and skill used. <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="BigGrin" /> Make sure to /bug the individual recipe names, please.

Niami DenMother
10-28-2017, 09:14 PM
Recipes for crossbow bolts that are below level 110 will be needed. We get the claimed crossbow at 100, and both the handcrafted and mastercrafted bolts are level 110. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" alt="Frown" /> The yields on handcrafted bolts and arrows needs to be increased to match other tiers as well.

Alenna
11-02-2017, 06:55 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Sionx"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Sionx said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6471925#post-6471925" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">It didn't strike me at first but then I noticed that the technique is actually <b>metalworking</b>, the fuel is <b>coal</b>, and it requires the <b>forge</b>, not the Woodworking table. It's interesting that the new crafting requires different stations and makes me wonder whether there is something about the new TS line that includes these crossovers.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>/bug it this has happened before

Niami DenMother
11-05-2017, 12:22 AM
Ok, here's a quick summary of things I see for myself and this thread for Caith:<br /> <br /><ul><li>Arrows (both handcrafted and mastercrafted) yield 50, when in past tiers, they yield 200 for handcrafted and 500 for rare</li><li>Spear recipes are in the woodworker books, but they require metalworking skill on the forge - which would make them weaponsmith recipes. I'm all for giving the woodworkers spears, since our recipe count is a bit sparse, but they'd need to be fletching technique on the woodworking table.</li><li>Crossbow bolts have the same yield questions as arrows AND we need recipes for at least level 100 bolts (we only have for 110), for those who get their /claim crossbow at 100. Perhaps we could add another bolt recipe to the 101 essentials book so there's more than one recipe in it? <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="BigGrin" /></li><li>The level 110 rush orders cannot be completed at level 101 or 102. At 102, we have to delete half of the rush orders in order to find ones that we can do. The level 100 rush orders disappear as an option from the rush order NPC option when you hit 101. As a short-term workaround, can you make those level 100 rush orders stick around for woodworkers so they can do rush orders like the rest? Then repeat this for weaponsmiths as well?</li><li>What about a new tier of totems? Are they simply delayed, like the alchemist consumables (poisons and potions) are?</li><li>Cosmetic: Icons for various items are a bit askew - the entwood staff of spirit is a hairbrush, the (possibly mis-classed rubicite spear of force) uses a rapier icon, entwood wand of frenzy uses a spear icon.</li></ul>

Alenna
11-06-2017, 05:18 PM
really 50 fuel to make a stack 200 arrows when earlier tiers only used max 5? for 50 fuel we ought to get 2000 arrows just use the 5 fuel that other tiers have and we can sue the mass production to make more. and while you are at the change make srue that the other ammo you took from us to give to the weaponsmith gives the same yield especially the shuriken that was the problem in past couple of expansion you only gave 100 shuriken while all other ammo yielded 200. plus the fuel cost of all other items is way out of line as well 15 for ranged and one handers and 30 for 2 handers? to do the rush writs ased on teh one we have for now we need either 4p5g for the one that has us make 3 two handers and 3 ranged/one handers. and 5p 40g for the one where we need to make 6 2 handers <b>to break even </b>much less make a little profit off of it we aren't asking for much profit from writ but what we have been getting.<br /> <br />how are the other tradeskills doing with this.<br /> <br />this is one of the reasons we need a dedicated tradeskill developer one who understands the crafting community.

Alenna
11-06-2017, 05:21 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Niami DenMother"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Niami DenMother said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6475298#post-6475298" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Ok, here's a quick summary of things I see for myself and this thread for Caith:<br /> <br /><ul><li>Arrows (both handcrafted and mastercrafted) yield 50, when in past tiers, they yield 200 for handcrafted and 500 for rare</li><li>Spear recipes are in the woodworker books, but they require metalworking skill on the forge - which would make them weaponsmith recipes. I'm all for giving the woodworkers spears, since our recipe count is a bit sparse, but they'd need to be fletching technique on the woodworking table.</li><li>Crossbow bolts have the same yield questions as arrows AND we need recipes for at least level 100 bolts (we only have for 110), for those who get their /claim crossbow at 100. Perhaps we could add another bolt recipe to the 101 essentials book so there's more than one recipe in it? <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="BigGrin" /></li><li>The level 110 rush orders cannot be completed at level 101 or 102. At 102, we have to delete half of the rush orders in order to find ones that we can do. The level 100 rush orders disappear as an option from the rush order NPC option when you hit 101. As a short-term workaround, can you make those level 100 rush orders stick around for woodworkers so they can do rush orders like the rest? Then repeat this for weaponsmiths as well?</li><li>What about a new tier of totems? Are they simply delayed, like the alchemist consumables (poisons and potions) are?</li><li>Cosmetic: Icons for various items are a bit askew - the entwood staff of spirit is a hairbrush, the (possibly mis-classed rubicite spear of force) uses a rapier icon, entwood wand of frenzy uses a spear icon.</li></ul></span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>along with the low yield for arrows it costs more in fuel for less. 50 fuel which meansd 3g per arrow. when it used to use 5 fuel for 200 which was about 4s or less

Alenna
11-06-2017, 05:31 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Alenna"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Alenna said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6475677#post-6475677" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">really 50 fuel to make a stack 200 arrows when earlier tiers only used max 5? for 50 fuel we ought to get 2000 arrows just use the 5 fuel that other tiers have and we can sue the mass production to make more. and while you are at the change make srue that the other ammo you took from us to give to the weaponsmith gives the same yield especially the shuriken that was the problem in past couple of expansion you only gave 100 shuriken while all other ammo yielded 200. plus the fuel cost of all other items is way out of line as well 15 for ranged and one handers and 30 for 2 handers? to do the rush writs ased on teh one we have for now we need either 4p5g for the one that has us make 3 two handers and 3 ranged/one handers. and 5p 40g for the one where we need to make 6 2 handers <b>to break even </b>much less make a little profit off of it we aren't asking for much profit from writ but what we have been getting.<br /> <br />and and only +3 piercing crushing or slashing depending on which arrow you use your copy paste is wrong. my bloody tooth(mastercrafted) rounded arrows from last expansion do +319 and you can only give us +3 crushing for the master crafted and handcrafted arrows.?<br /> <br />how are the other tradeskills doing with this.<br /> <br />this is one of the reasons we need a dedicated tradeskill developer one who understands the crafting community.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>

Arieva
11-08-2017, 12:23 PM
The Twark recipes for crossbow bolts (all of em) don't make crossbow bolts..they make arrows. Did one combine of a common version to verify and all have arrow as the result description..not bolts.

Alenna
11-08-2017, 10:38 PM
you need to tweak the coins gained per writ I just did a rush writ for the woodworker<br /><br />had to do<br />3 entwood staff of force<br />3 entwood staff of spirit<br />got back1p 5g back at end of each staff order and 50g at turn in which should should mean 2p 60g or at least the pop ups showed that.<br />problem 1. staffs are 2 handers they cost 30 fuel at 3g apiece which is a cost of 2p 70g for each part of the order and you only give us back 1p 5g. so no we are not getting cost back with what you are giving us. I would not break even with what you planned to give us(math error)<br />problem 2. when I sold back the remaining fuel I found I lost 4P which is more then the math says I lost.(this is probably a coding issue)<br /><br />btw ranged/one handers take 15 fuel apiece which is 1p 35g for making 3 of them. so when you do a writ with 3 staff(twohander) and 3 wands it costs us 4p 5g for a net loss of 1p 45g(math error)

Niami DenMother
11-10-2017, 08:18 AM
Woodworker recipes still need a pass-through for ingredients. Example - Some of the heartwood recipes are taking 30 sandpaper, some are taking 200.<br /> <br />Cosmetic - "Bug" Icon now showing in recipe book for several items. Heartwood staff of energy, heartwood spear of force, heartwood spear of energy, heartwood spear of rage, heartwood staff of spirit, heartwood staff of frenzy, heartwood staff of rage,<br /> <br />There are no wooden 1HB weapons in the woodworker lineup - is this intentional?

Niami DenMother
11-12-2017, 01:29 AM
The "heartwood flight crossbow bolt" needs a stat check. The stats are lower than the handcrafted version, and over 300 less damage than the other heartwood bolts. (Examining with a level 110, so it isn't a scaling issue)

Alenna
11-12-2017, 10:10 PM
arrows are still giving less yield for more mats and fuel

Alenna
11-20-2017, 02:35 AM
good on finaly fixing the stats on the arrows but the yield is still wrong for the ammo. You are having us use <b>more materials and fuel per combine</b> the previous tiers <b>and giving us less yield</b> then the other tiers.<b> Logic should tell you <span style="text-decoration: underline"><i>that More material and fuel used should yield more ammo not less.</i></span></b><br /> <br />Naomi has already reported the stat discrepancy in teh crossbow bolts.

Niami DenMother
11-21-2017, 08:05 AM
We're getting closer on the crossbow bolt stats, BUT the heartwood ones need another glance.<br />"Heartwood Flight Crossbow Bolt" +901 piercing<br />"Heartwood Broadhead Crossbow Bolt" +901 slashing, -5m on range and -10% on hit bonus.<br /> <br />With them doing the exact same damage, there is no reason at all to use the broadhead since it has negatives to hit and range.<br /> <br />The Heartwood Broadhead Crossbow Bolt should likely be increased to mirror the Heartwood Broadhead Arrow, with +1026 slashing damage to go with the negatives.

Beee
11-21-2017, 06:34 PM
Crafting Woodworker lv 101 -> 110<br />Needed 156 x The one and only existing "Ya Do It (Rush Order)" .. This means 600 x crafting<br /> <br />Strange XP Values<br /> <br />(1511032925)[Sat Nov 18 20:22:05 2017] You gain <b>150</b> tradeskill XP plus 387 XP from bonuses! <= for the crafting itself <br />(1511032935)[Sat Nov 18 20:22:15 2017] You gain <b>3984693</b> tradeskill XP plus 10280508 XP from bonuses! <= for the Rush Order quest including XP Potion<br /> <br />Regular crafting is really useless

Niami DenMother
11-23-2017, 10:16 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Whilhelmina"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Whilhelmina said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6479352#post-6479352" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Is it normal that 2 handers use twice the fuel? Ok, it's 2 handers but it wasn't the case before and it's weird comparing it to other classes.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />No - we'll need to get a list of the ones with the wrong fuel amounts in here, or in /bug.

Niami DenMother
11-23-2017, 10:45 PM
Handcrafted items requiring 30 fuel instead of 15 (which will cause writ rewards to be mucked up, too):<br /> <br /><ul><li>entwood staff of force</li><li>entwood staff of spirit</li><li>entwood staff of frenzy</li><li>entwood spear of force</li><li>entwood spear of frenzy</li><li>entwood spear of rage</li><li>entwood staff of rage</li><li>entwood staff of energy</li></ul>

Whilhelmina
11-23-2017, 11:14 PM
It's not just fuel:<br /><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Regular items use:</b></span><br />10 entwood, 2 etherium, 2 plumewit hide, 2 storm talk, 15 celestial sandpaper<br /><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Broken items use:</b></span><br />15 entwood, 3 etherium, 3 plumewit hide, 2 storm talk, 30 celestial sandpaper<br /> <br />Arrows are still made by 10-50 for common (instead of 5-200 for level 100 ones) and 20-200 for 2 rares (instead of 1-500 for level 100 ones)<br /> <br /> <br /><span style="font-size: medium"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Mastercrafted items :</b></span></span><br /> <br /><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Regular items use:</b></span><br />2 Storm Ent Heartwood, 10 gnarled entwood, 10 plumewit hide, 8 storm stalk, 30 celestial sandpaper<br /><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Broken items use:</b></span><br />4 Storm Ent Heartwood, 30 gnarled entwood, 16 plumewit hide, 9 storm stalk, 200 celestial sandpaper<br /> <br />Broken items:<br /><ul><li>Heartwood staff of force</li><li>Spear of Rage</li><li>Heartwood staff of energy</li><li>Heartwood spear of force</li><li>Heartwood spear of frenzy</li><li>Heartwood spear of rage</li><li>Heartwood staff of spirit</li><li>Heartwood staff of frenzy</li><li>Heartwood staff of rage</li></ul><ul><li>Arrows still use 200 celestial sandpaper and 2 rares for a 20-200 yield (instead of 1-500). Regular components are fine</li><li>Same remark for crossbow bolts</li></ul><span style="font-size: medium"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><b>Other bug :</b></span></span><br /><ul><li>The heartwood spear of rage, which is in the level 102 advanced book, is a level 106 recipe</li><li>The heartwood spear of frenzy, which is in the level 104 advanced book, is a level 106 recipe</li><li>The heartwood spear of force, which is in the level 105 advanced book, is a level 106 recipe</li><li>Current writ (unsure if it'll change until live so mentioning it) only asks for 2 Entwood staff of force and 2 Entwood staff of spirit instead of 3 of each.</li></ul>On a side note, I have a bug in my UI, Mum checked on Foiworm and had no problems, but for whatever reason, unfiltered, even after deco/reco, I don't see the Entwood staff of force in my recipe list (even if I have it hot-keyed). Probably on my end, but just in case somebody else has the problem, you're not alone.

Whilhelmina
11-24-2017, 08:18 AM
Is it normal that 2 handers use twice the fuel? Ok, it's 2 handers but it wasn't the case before and it's weird comparing it to other classes.