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Svenj
11-10-2004, 01:27 AM
WISDOM my friend

Elvor
11-10-2004, 01:58 AM
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>

Mana_Sto
11-10-2004, 02:03 AM
<DIV>Hmmm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I thought mana for SKs is determined by INT not WIS (like INT is used for Necro mana pool).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it WIS in EQ2?</DIV>

HalberdBl
11-10-2004, 03:13 AM
<DIV>Power pool is determined by a combo of STR and WIS in EQ2 for SKs/Pallies (leaning towards STR, though).</DIV>

Grunar
11-10-2004, 04:03 AM
<DIV>Its something like 80%str 20%wis.  And it uses wis for SK because they derive from the Crusader class, just like the Paladin does.  Which is considered semi-"divine" fighters.</DIV>

Lylah
11-10-2004, 05:47 AM
<DIV>This definitely needs clearing up - the fighter archetype guide on EQ2players says intelligence for SKs and wisdom for Paladins.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You get the Shadowblade of Zeal for doing the SK subclass quest which has + str +int bonus.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ryrah on <span class=date_text>11-09-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 PM</span>

Zutan
11-10-2004, 11:02 AM
<DIV>SK is a Crusader. It is no longer tied to Necro..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All Crusaders use WIS for their "power" pool..</DIV>

Jarl
11-10-2004, 09:47 PM
<DIV>THis is from the fighter guide on the eq2players web site:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/playguide.vm?classId=1" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/playguide.vm?classId=1</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Intelligence – Intelligence is less important for a Fighter, but aspiring Shadowknights will find it useful later in their career.<BR>Wisdom – Wisdom is also less important for a fighter, but aspiring Paladins will find it useful later in their career.<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So who should be believe now?  Looks like Int is important to the sk, not wis.</DIV>

Mana_Sto
11-10-2004, 10:21 PM
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=1>Nice find Jarlax.<BR><BR>I'm assuming its INT unless someone can post a URL saying otherwise.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=1>=======================<BR>Grimm Hellscream<BR>Troll Shadow Knight<BR>Unrest<BR>=======================</FONT></DIV>

ToonL
11-10-2004, 11:28 PM
<DIV>In the manual, it says you get bonuses to Wisdom when you take the SK subclass, which implies that it is the secondary stat for SK's.  It makes sense since SK's are evil holy warriors and divine powers are normally derived from Wisdom.  </DIV>

babrone
11-11-2004, 12:22 PM
<DIV>Maybe they changed this at the last minute so there is a reason to play human. I seem to be one of the only humans on the server! Since they seem to have removed traditions and humans get no visions they need to make some incentive to take them when making a SK.</DIV>

Dhamp
11-11-2004, 06:15 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ryrah wrote:<BR> <DIV>This definitely needs clearing up - the fighter archetype guide on EQ2players says intelligence for SKs and wisdom for Paladins.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You get the Shadowblade of Zeal for doing the SK subclass quest which has + str +int bonus.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Ryrah on <SPAN class=date_text>11-09-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:05 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Your power pool is dictated by strength and wisdom...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All stats are important to your character's development.  Stats effect your ability to resist spells, land spells/abilities.  Some allow you to mitigate or avoid .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please do not complain that items do not have your power stats on them.</DIV>

Khan
11-11-2004, 10:27 PM
<DIV>Copied from the crusader class guide from eq2players</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><SPAN class=news_title>Crusader Class Guide</SPAN> <SPAN class=news_date><BR>11/10/2004</SPAN> <P> <P> <P>Author: Daniel Clifford<STRONG><BR><BR></P> <P><EM>Intelligence –</EM> The Crusader will need this statistic if they are going to be a Shadow Knight.</P> <P><EM>Wisdom –</EM> Wisdom is important if the Crusader wishes to become a Paladin.</P> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/playguide.vm?classId=8" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/playguide.vm?classId=8</A></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P></STRONG></DIV><p>Message Edited by Khanas on <span class=date_text>11-11-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:04 AM</span>

Rayx
11-12-2004, 10:12 AM
<DIV>ya thats a big time contradiction from the manual.  Im not sure who daniel l clifford is, but I cant help but think hes mistaken on the shadowknight secondary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>definitely need some clarification.</DIV>

TheGeneral
11-12-2004, 12:26 PM
<DIV>There is a lot of stuff in the manual that is incorrect.  It seems they wrote the manual before they were actually complete with classes final descriptions.</DIV>

Rayx
11-12-2004, 07:21 PM
<DIV>hmm..well..im still not convinced intelligence is our secondary attribute.  for the most part,  the crusader guide could be just as wrong as the manual.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i guess what it comes down to is theres no proof one way or another which is right.  im hearing from beta testers and previous SK's that its wisdom..the manual says wisdom..but this newly released guide says intelligence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>right now its a toss-up it seems.  personally I think the guide is wrong and the manual and beta testers are correct.</DIV>

Exmortis_MT
11-12-2004, 07:54 PM
<DIV>So far all my crusader items through freeport quests have wisdom, which leads me to beleive its is wisdom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Rellor
11-15-2004, 06:09 AM
Devs don't even know.. that is why they don't post nething.. I petitioned twice on the matter and never got an answer.. just umm yeah umm uh huh.. manual says wis.. eq2players guide says int.. also quest item for SK is int.. but we all know crusader skills faith are wis.. so [Removed for Content] do we have to keep track of 2 stats here? wis and int.. this is [Removed for Content].

Rellor
11-15-2004, 06:21 AM
I know GM's don't know.. here is something from my conversation with them.."Frankly beats us. I'd check the forums. We think it's supposed to be WIS, but a lot of things point to INT."Hard to check forums for a dev when there not giving us the scoop.. :o

khuurb
11-15-2004, 09:26 PM
<DIV>Why would SOE allow someone to post incorrect information on thier official website? It doesn't make sense at all. If the official website says that it is Intelligence for SKs and Wisdom for Pallys then thats who I will believe. Beta testers were great for information before it went live. Anything could have happened since Beta ended to change how the classes work. If any current SKs read this, try putting on a WIS item and then an INT item and see which puts up power. Either I am right or wrong but I would like this settled soon.</DIV>

Rayx
11-15-2004, 09:56 PM
<DIV>the guide may be official but so is the manual that came with the game. its a contradiction</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im convinced now that the guide here on the site is inaccurate.  ive visited numerous fansites, discussed with several beta testers of shadowknights and have also read numerous threads on the shadowknight on eq2knights.com</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it would be pretty sick to have us go through the path of a crusader who draws his pool from wisdom/strength to get to our prestige class and have our pool drawn from int.</DIV>

Rellor
11-16-2004, 01:45 AM
well GM I talked to said don't believe everything you see on eq2players so that sums up that lol.

Naghaz Sathrak
11-16-2004, 03:46 AM
<DIV>For now, Im more apt to believe eq2players than the manual as the manual is outdated in a few areas.  That said, both are fallable so I suppose it's wise to just put points in Strength until we get something official.</DIV>

Zutan
11-16-2004, 06:54 AM
<DIV>One of the eq2players guys asked a dev and a dev said its wis for SK.. but the site was wrong.. so I'd believe what the Devs said ... :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

Rellor
11-17-2004, 12:58 AM
Well it is wis.. after some testing of putting a ring on that was int on my SK and one for wis i found that the wis one gave me 1 power while the int did nothing.. still wondering why the sword from quest gives int..

Rayx
11-17-2004, 07:29 AM
<DIV>ya the error on eq2players was confirmed by a dev in another post on this forum here, check the link</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>theyre going to be updating the int. error on the crusader guide</DIV>

Guyver24
11-14-2005, 07:05 PM
<P>I'm kinda new to ShadowKnight, as my main char is a Brigand but i've always like SK as I did start with this class on the lavastorm server but then changed over to runnyeye.  It appears to me that the main stats we need to increase are STR, STA, INT and WIS as these increase HP, PWR, Spell damage and the obvious one actual melee dmg from combat arts.</P> <P> </P> <P>Dunno if that helps anyone or not but my chars current stats are:-</P> <P>Barbarian Male</P> <P>STR - 144</P> <P>AGI - 50</P> <P>STA - 38 (needs work I know lol)</P> <P>INT - 34</P> <P>WIS - 69 (best set of paired numbers ever hehe)</P> <P> </P> <P>Hope that helps a little bit oh and this char is currently level 28 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

PhozFa
11-14-2005, 08:16 PM
All this talk about a secondary stat i didn't realize we had a primary stat. Some like STR cause it gives power plus melee dps. Some like STA for HPs. and so on.  Every stat  is useful in some way.  Which stats  you use as primary and secondary depend on how you play your sk.  Unless this is a talk about stats that effect power which is as stated by a previous poster (75%/25% | STR/WIS) <div></div>

SinIsLaw
11-14-2005, 08:18 PM
After The CC: ->WIS:  will have and effect on your resist capabilties (magic, cold, div etc) as Higher your wisdom as better the resist shoudl go, thus you get a wisdom Boost in Def Stance. -> INT: will have an effect on ur DPS on Spells which you use...  as more INT you get as more dmg do you're spells do, SKs are somewhat Fighters with a caster input, thus we need the INT 2 nuke ... Pallies a fighting healer rely more on Wis for their heals, and if i recall right they only get a str buff in their off stance ... It all depends on ur role ... STR nbr1, if ur DPS it's INT if ur tanking WIS and AGI <div></div>

mortic
11-14-2005, 10:14 PM
<P>When you look at your stats and mouse over the stat, you will see that wisdom adds to the max power pool and int increases the damage done by your spells.  All our spells are int based, so it is probably best to go with int as your secondary.  The breakdown between str and wis additions to power pool is 80/20.  So, if you have a larger addition to your power pool with the increase in your str.  I am concentrating on str (for my power pool and physical damage) and int as my spell damage.  My wisdom is actually keeping pace with my int due to the fact that most pieces with int will most likely have some wis as well.  Hope this helps.</P> <P> </P> <P>Esau</P> <P>41 SK on Kithcor</P>

Hedbu
11-14-2005, 11:36 PM
<P>Folks,</P> <P>Just get some stat boosting items and try it yourself. </P> <P>I believe that SK's need more of a "balance" of stats than the "mythology" or the "it was that way in EQ1" suggests. And with all the recent changes, I can't believe using a printed document is the best way to go.</P> <P>You decide what your primary and secondary, etc stats are for the way you play. I like WIS for the resists and the partial effect on my mana pool. I like INT for the increased spell damage, since SK's rely more on their spells than other fighter types. As an Ogre, I have STR and STA, which I also find important.</P> <P>However, I don't care if a high AGI makes me impervious to damage, I wear Plate Armor, I like the taste of my own blood, I like trading blows with my opponent until one of is left standing. I am not going to try to be an "avoidance" tank, so no AGI for me.</P> <P>Hedbutt</P>

Seolta
11-15-2005, 01:09 AM
<P>Strength gives 2.5 power per str point and .5 attack per point.</P> <P>Wisdom gives 1 power per wis point and 3 to resists per point.</P> <P>Mileage may vary depending on caps etc. but these are the baseline numbers that I have tested personally and you can take em to the bank.</P>

Zutan
11-19-2005, 03:55 AM
During beta and early on in Live INT was the stat for SK but they changed that since so much SK gear is for "crusaders" that either Pally or SK would get the shaft in many cases.  Now both Paly and SK use WIS which stems from the "crusader" line. <div></div>

Peace
11-19-2005, 07:57 AM
So rather than do the job they should and make some gear good for SKs and some gear good for Pallys, they gave us both the same secondary stat instead?  LOL shouldn't surprise me I guess... <div></div>

Kinni
11-19-2005, 12:41 PM
<DIV>Log into the game, and mouse over your stats.  It will tell you exactly what the stat is used for.  To save you all time, I'll even go so far as to type out exactly what it says right now:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>STR - Strength determines how much you can carry and increases your melee damage and maximum power</DIV> <DIV>STA - Stamina increases your maximum health</DIV> <DIV>AGI - Agility improves your chance to avoid melee attack</DIV> <DIV>WIS - Wisdom improves your resists against spell damage and increases your maximum power</DIV> <DIV>INT - Intelligence increases the damage you can do with spells</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So... in short, while everyone is so fast to jump on the bandwagon that wis (or int) is the secondary stat, it really all comes down to your play style.  If you intend on trying to be a main tank, then you really should be concentrating on STA first and AGI second, then probably WIS for resists third.  If you're looking to be a secondary tank or just max your DPS then you should be concentrating on STR first, then INT.  If your only goal is to max out your power pool, then by all means concentrate on STR first, then WIS, but honestly I don't really think that's what most higher levels will say that their doing.</DIV>