Brawler AA Names

[urgatorbait]

<DIV>This is not a rant or even an admanat criticism but merely an observation/opinion of the names of the Brawler AA abilities.  I am posting this in an effort to spark some light-hearted debate and see what others out there might think. </DIV> <P>In my opinion the names of these AA abilities, while very suitable for a Monk, do not conjure up the image I have of a Bruiser.  I'm referring to the use of the words "Tiger", "Mantis", "Crane", "Monkey" and "Eagle" in the names.  Animals such as these embody grace, agility and strength  and conjure up images of a disciplined asian/chinese fighter (i.e. monk) and not what I think of as Bruiser.  To me, a Bruiser seems to be more of a scrapping fighter who uses dirty tactics and raw unbridled energy and chaos to bring down his enemy.  </P> <P>Some could certainly debate my logic so feel free to do so.</P>

[blanco19]

so this is what you worry about when youre playing eq2... the names of the skills you have and whether or not they fit your rp mood.  i dont get it really.

[urgatorbait]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blanco1982 wrote:<BR> so this is what you worry about when youre playing eq2... the names of the skills you have and whether or not they fit your rp mood.  i dont get it really.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No.  This is what I think about when I'm at work and there's a lull in the action.  Dear God, can't someone post and opinion in the spirit of sparking some game-relevant discussion without some sarcastic remarks?  So typical.  Do you not have an opinion?  Do you not think about why something is a certain way in the game?  It must be interesting being you.</DIV>

[Siberia2]

No, the don't fit. They fit as well for the bruiser class as they would for the warrior class. I don't think it's laziness on the devs part but rather it's easier to go with asian martial arts for names, although I'm sure there is plenty of bruiser oriented names they could have given to the AA lines. EoF is comming out with class specific AAs, or at least that's what I read, somewhere.. or something. Maybe they'll have powerful names. If I could with my bruiser I would dump every AA into the new line and say screw it to the one we have now, if anything EoF brings is decent. That way I'd never see Tiger Seifu or Mantis Master again :l. <div></div>

[Gungo]

<P>The problem is your perception with bruisers does not mesh with the reality of bruisers in game. BRUISERS ARE MARTIAL ARTISTS. In actuaity bruisers are monks. There are technically 3 factions for bruisers.</P> <P>Following the lore in game. </P> <P>Dreadnaughts- Bruisers from freeport are part of the dreadnaughts. Dreadnaughts are derived from a MONK who betrayed to freeport. Dreadnaugts believe strength of body and fear is the best way to achieve ones goals. thier opposing faction is the qeynos monks (tranqulity)</P> <P>Ashen Disciples- PoF bruisers who beleive in more direct confrontation. opposing faction is ashen order</P> <P>The thier is the iksar dreadnaught faction Swifttail Cast. They really have no opposing faction unless of course you consider the Whistling fist as thier opposing faction.</P> <P>In all 3 examples they are all martial artists. All 3 factions use the same techniques it is just a different Belief system. No we are not drunken, bikers, or street thugs. we are in fact EVIL MONKS. </P>

[RPZip]

Swiftail Caste is pure Monk, actually... not Bruiser. It's all discipline and strength through obedience over there in Kunark.I do know what you mean about the line names not really fitting, since the Bruiser seems to be somewhat less of an Asian-themed martial artist and more of a street fighter to me, but... they are what they are.<div></div>

[chOgg]

And I could see it now if they changed the names to something we all liked more..."I can't believe they spent the time thinking up new names for our AAs when they could have been adding our class hats!"LOL.Thoral, 50 Bruiser, Mistmoore.<div></div>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RPZip wrote:<BR>Swiftail Caste is pure Monk, actually... not Bruiser. It's all discipline and strength through obedience over there in Kunark.<BR><BR>I do know what you mean about the line names not really fitting, since the Bruiser seems to be somewhat less of an Asian-themed martial artist and more of a street fighter to me, but... they are what they are.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Technically speaking yes except iksars can not be monks In eq2. Unless of course they betray which iksars can not do as followers of innourok. Following eq2 lore evil martial artists are bruisers and good martial artists are monks. We are not street fighters though. The lore provided to the dreadnaught class which every bruiser on this forum belongs to. Says the dreadnaughts were dereived from a faction of monks who betrayed to freeport. I wish i still i had the book  and names that dealt with this betrayal but sadlyi sold my library when i ran out of room.

[Madmoon]

<P>I disagree with the whole "evil" monk thing.  Nevermind the issues with actually trying to do that, I mean just walking around Freeport, every Dreadnought with whom you interact DOES act like a thug, or biker, or whatever.  I've never met an "evil" monk in Freeport yet.  I suppose the Ashens in the Pillars act more monkish, but if you take your cue from the Dreadnoughts, we are just enforcers looking for a face to pulp.  Not one of them ever told me to hone my skills, snatch a pebble, seek inner-peace, become a Tiger, Monkey, Crane or anything else like that.  It was always, "Shake down that ratonga, he owes us money."  I mean, you can be an evil monk, whatever that is, but the in-game lore can easily lead you to a different interpretation/role, too.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blanco1982 wrote:<BR> so this is what you worry about when youre playing eq2... the names of the skills you have and whether or not they fit your rp mood.  i dont get it really.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nor will you ever.  Yeeech, what a chump.  The OP wrote elequontly and gingerly about something that concerned him and wanted to discuss, and if you did not find it interesting, then shut your piehole.  Go start a thread about the fact that you cannot understand the RP aspects of an RP game, and then get all the people who agree with you to go off and play Fragfest or whatever the Game of the Month is.</P>

[Perediablo]

I totally agree with the OP here. I am sick to death of this "martial artist" theme. Bruisers may have originated from the betrayal of a Qeynosian Monk, but he did betray. The Fighter sub-class "Brawler" does not in any way lend itself to being a diciplined martial artist either imo. That in thoery takes away from the Monk's tranquility as well. Too many little things like that do bug me about being a Bruiser, but it is quite the fun class to play. A few AA name suggestions:Broken BottleTon of BricksBouncer's BlastBar Stool to the Teeth (my personal favorite)<div></div>

[Zarafein]

<P> i hope that the new eof sub-class AA names fit better to the bruiser class.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Zarafein on <span class=date_text>08-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:01 PM</span>

[PhozFa]

I think a few people miss the point of the AA names and ae wrong about wanting them more bruiser like. They aren't bruiser abilities they are brawler. Us and monks share a common backround and that common backround is the martial art-ness  (yay for making up a word). While our style is dirty at times the root of it is precise brutal moves. Martial artists take advantage of weak points what abilityis better than Kidney Punch? I'm not saying our current names fit being a brawler or not i just think some people have the wrong idea or maybe i don't ahve a point at all? Good thing i don't care and i'm just typing.... ok i'm stopping <div></div>

[Cocytus]

<P>I have a 70 bruiser myself, Iksar, he was a Swifttail in EQ1 and still follows those basic ways.</P> <P>I always saw it this way - there are two types of bruisers, and two types of monks.</P> <P> </P> <P>Bruisers- There's 1. The drunken, beat the hell out of everyone they don't like type, and 2. The martial artist.</P> <P>Monk - There's 1. The disciplined, active monks. 2. The "stoner", inactive, apathetic monks.</P>

[Idouc]

<P>I understand what you are saying, but I will have to say two things:</P> <P> </P> <P>1. I am going to agree with the "origins of the dreadnaught" thing, bruisers did start as monks, and have a strong background behind styilized martial arts.  Bruisers ignore the art aspect of style and focus on the sheer brutality.</P> <P> </P> <P>2. Watch some old kung-fu movies... there were a LOT of martial artists that were in no way monk'ish, and yet they still had "styles" that were descended from animals among other things.  (Although, typically, the animals were brutal.  Scorpion, Toad<poisonous, assumed> Eagle, Tiger, etc)</P> <P> </P> <P>This being said, I hope the new AA's do reflect it a bit better for the disparity between the two classes...  Making the monk AA lines flowery named (like the moves are) and the bruiser ones should be brutal, and if associated with a "martial arts" flavor, sticks to animals or other things that will strike fear in to even bruisers who hear them.</P> <P> </P> <P>Idouc Scythe`Fist</P> <P>63 Bruiser/60 Alchemist - Venekor Server</P> <P>Proud member of 'I Like Pie'.</P><p>Message Edited by Utnayr on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:20 PM</span>

[Pnaxx]

<P>This lore discussion is a good one. I have never looked into this before, but I see the OP's point...and Gungo made an excellent point, as well as most who added there constructive comments.</P> <P>The travels through FP do indeed lend one to the leaning of a THUGISH type by the interactions with the NPC's. It is more of a Mixed Martial Arts type of attitude...which is still martial arts, but different feel then tradition KArate/Kung Fu. </P> <P>Bruiser NPC's seem to give us the feel of Muy Thai then Shoalin.</P> <P>So, I guess I need to think of my Bruiser more as a "Hard" style Muy Thai kick boxer than the drunk Biker thug who has no real technique.</P> <P>Thanks.</P>