Dragon Advance and 2h weap

[Cyngii]

<DIV>I was wondering what the general consensus is on tanking using 2h weapons with Dragon Advance?  If the spell is geared on 50% chance to proc the taunt, does using 2h weapons kill the effectiveness of the proc?  I'm planning on getting an imbued Bo, but since I find myself tanking for just about every group i go to these days, are dual wields the way to tank?  Any input would be appreciated. </DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cyngii wrote:<div>I was wondering what the general consensus is on tanking using 2h weapons with Dragon Advance?  If the spell is geared on 50% chance to proc the taunt, does using 2h weapons kill the effectiveness of the proc?  I'm planning on getting an imbued Bo, but since I find myself tanking for just about every group i go to these days, are dual wields the way to tank?  Any input would be appreciated. </div><hr></blockquote> Unless they changed the proc formula, procs are normalized to 3 seconds..  so if you have a 1.5 speed weapon and a 10% proc rate its actually 5% chance to proc per swing, and a 6 second weapon and 10% proc would be 20% chance to proc per swing.. in other words, over the the course of a fight it should be about the same, and really slow weapons are better when trying for a proc in a single swing/fire (i.e. imbued bows) </span><div></div>

[Cyngii]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ariven wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR>Unless they changed the proc formula, procs are normalized to 3 seconds..  so if you have a 1.5 speed weapon and a 10% proc rate its actually 5% chance to proc per swing, and a 6 second weapon and 10% proc would be 20% chance to proc per swing..<BR><BR>in other words, over the the course of a fight it should be about the same, and really slow weapons are better when trying for a proc in a single swing/fire (i.e. imbued bows)<BR></SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I remembered that one... but that's assuming 2n weaps are slower than dual wields.  I'm still using my augmented cestii with 2.0 second delay.  The 2h Bo has a 1.7 second delay, so not only would the proc rate be worse (if it actually is normalized), but every attack you only hit once versus twice with the dual wields.   That's where my concern is.  Do 2h weaps get a proc rate adjustment that is hidden?  I know a lot of the 2h weapons had a higher proc rate than dual wield weapons (like 10% versus 5%), but with Dragon Advance it just says 50% as far as i'm aware.<BR>

[Bladewind]

I've been using an ironwood bo for about a week now.  Prior to this I had dual wielded exclusively from 25ish to 51.  I have not noticed major issues with losing aggro since switching.  I understand your argument, but I have not noticed any tangible effects.   Maybe the normalization divides the hate proc by two for paired weapons?  I am sorry I cannot give you a more firm answer, but I thought I'd at least share my observation that the bo has not noticable affected my ability to hold aggro.  If I am hitting somehting, no one can take aggro.  As a side not, it is nice to have a weapon who's autoattacks are on par damage-wise with some of our arts <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cyngii wrote:<blockquote> <hr> Ariven wrote:<span>Unless they changed the proc formula, procs are normalized to 3 seconds..  so if you have a 1.5 speed weapon and a 10% proc rate its actually 5% chance to proc per swing, and a 6 second weapon and 10% proc would be 20% chance to proc per swing..in other words, over the the course of a fight it should be about the same, and really slow weapons are better when trying for a proc in a single swing/fire (i.e. imbued bows)</span> <hr> </blockquote>I remembered that one... but that's assuming 2n weaps are slower than dual wields.  I'm still using my augmented cestii with 2.0 second delay.  The 2h Bo has a 1.7 second delay, so not only would the proc rate be worse (if it actually is normalized), but every attack you only hit once versus twice with the dual wields.   That's where my concern is.  Do 2h weaps get a proc rate adjustment that is hidden?  I know a lot of the 2h weapons had a higher proc rate than dual wield weapons (like 10% versus 5%), but with Dragon Advance it just says 50% as far as i'm aware. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Guess the only thing left is to start tracking this then, but I am still thinking that something like dragon advance is normalized to within 3 second chunks. but then the streaky nature of the RNG can mess you up, I recently had 800 autoattacks and combat arts with only a single gleaming strike proc.. pretty bad. </span><div></div>

[Harpax]

I might have it filtered or might have just missed it, but is there some message when Dragon Advanced goes off?

[NighthawkX]

There is no advantage to duel wielding with weapon procs.  You will get the same amount of procs over time with a 2hander.  In fact many feel you may get more as some have learned to time there CA/s with swings so they don't loose near as much.  Feel free to try it out so you feel more confident your self but you will find it works just as good on a big giant slow 2hander, or a fast 2hander as it does duel wielding. It will only proc on the weapon in the main/right hand while duel wielding. In fact its based off the right hand weapon always 1handed 2handed or duel. <p>Message Edited by NighthawkX on <span class=date_text>10-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:01 PM</span>