The Bood Drenched Gi. How to get it.

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT size=2>There seems to be a lot of interest in Gis at the moment, so I thought I'd post how to get the level 30+ <FONT color=#ff0000><U>Blood Drenched Gi</U></FONT>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>(Note: it is NOT "Gi's". No apostrophe. I know it looks weird, but that's just the way it is, ok?)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>The full post is in the Bruiser section. It's a bit of a mess as I was writng it whilst doing the quest, though I believe Ganjookie has already linked it in another  thread on this very board.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Anyway, here is the skinny:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>1) It <U>definitely</U> drops from either <FONT color=#ffff00>Rhayne T'Dax </FONT>or<FONT color=#ffff00> Nilth T'Feyd </FONT>(the first two of the named vampires in the first instance of <FONT color=#ffff00>The Mysterious Artifacts </FONT>quest in  the <FONT color=#ffff00>Tombs of Night</FONT>).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>2) You can get it soloing, or grouping, and you can even get a spare for Sunday best if you already have one.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>3) <FONT color=#ffff00>The optimum level is 45</FONT> as most of the rest of the zone is greyed out and you can zip through to the named vampires without having to [Removed for Content] about. The nameds are levels <FONT color=#ffff00>35</FONT> and <FONT color=#ffff00>36</FONT>, so this is as easy as they get before they grey out too.  As long as the vampires con green you will eventually get a drop. If you're too high mentor someone. It will be fine.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>4) It may take a very, very long time to get a drop. Do not be discouraged by the deluge of teeth. If you kill both vampires and you get nothing, zone out and in 'til you do.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>There it is. The fruits of three very long and very dull days. I only wish someone had told me all this when I was your age etc etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>Note - The Gi may very well drop from the named vampires further in but if you want it ASAP don't bother looking.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>EDIT - THE C*NTING THING DISAPPEARED FROM MY INVENTORY WHEN I ZONED OUT. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO AT ONCE. BE WARNED.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=1>F*CKING BOLLOCKS TO SOE.</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>09-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:51 AM</span>

[Detka]

<DIV>This Item has a No-Zone tag on it now. Tryed to toss it in the bank and as soon as you zone it is back in your inventory.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Detka</DIV>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Detka wrote:<BR> <DIV>This Item has a No-Zone tag on it now. Tryed to toss it in the bank and as soon as you zone it is back in your inventory.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Detka</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT size=2>Can someone explain why they would design it this way? It's not like getting this Gi is easy to start with. How many Brawlers are there? Quite a lot. What percentage have actually found this armour through their own efforts? I'd hazard a guess at just a tad over, oh,  f*ck-all.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Making it 'No Zone' is really taking the [Removed for Content], especially as there is no warning or information available to tell you that the item you spent all that time and effort - and money - on will disappear for no good reason. And what the f*ck IS 'No Zone' by the way, and where is the explanation for the purpose of this tag? </FONT></P><FONT size=2> <P><FONT size=2>Clearly the item can be zoned out without wearing it otherwise it wouldn't be available on the broker once every 7 months. But why put yet another hurdle in the way of fun gameplay? Is the game better and are the players happier that it's so inexplicably difficult to get this item? What's the worst case scenario? That Brawlers might have a decent chance at wearing armour they actually want?</FONT></P> <P>That acquiring the Gi should require time and effort is perfectly understandable, but there is a point beyond which the sense of achievement at surmounting the challenges SoE throws our way becomes a sense of bewilderment as to why things have to be quite this bloody complicated.</P> <P>Not a happy boy.</FONT></P>

[JudyJudy]

<P><EM>Well, regardless of how they managed to [Removed for Content] a great Gi - You're post completely rocks.  Thanks for the information, Anna!</EM></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2>(I've been after this Gi for.... well, forever!) </FONT><FONT size=3>:smileyhappy:</FONT></EM></P>

[bonesbro]

<span><blockquote><hr>Detka wrote:<div>This Item has a No-Zone tag on it now. Tryed to toss it in the bank and as soon as you zone it is back in your inventory.</div> <div> </div> <div>Detka</div><hr></blockquote> Can you please screenshot and post the new bugged gi?  And /bug it as well?</span><div></div>

[Detka]

<DIV>I will give it a go when I get home tonight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am sorry and didn't mean for my statement to sound negative about getting the Gi, just thought I would mention it and never thought about it as being a possible bug. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Annaspider, Great post and thank you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Detka</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT size=2>Here's one of me sporting the Gi in Runnyeye. Note the improved airflow to the pectoral region.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://dogsofwar.everquestiiguilds.com/image_view.vm?imageId=449480" target=_blank><FONT size=2>http://dogsofwar.everquestiiguilds.com/image_view.vm?imageId=449480</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Good idea to /bug it. Bones. Maybe they'll give me it back<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>10-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:57 AM</span>

[x0rtrun]

I'm confused by what the no-zone tag actually does.... Does it mean you can only wear it inside the zone in which you got it? Or that it unequips when you zone... or what's teh point of the no-zone tag at all? <div></div>

[ganjookie]

Nice work Anna!  thanks <font size="1">  (although I was lucky to get this from a friend at 24)</font> <div></div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> x0rtrunks wrote:<BR>I'm confused by what the no-zone tag actually does.... Does it mean you can only wear it inside the zone in which you got it? Or that it unequips when you zone... or what's teh point of the no-zone tag at all? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I must confess I'm a little mystified by this whole 'No Zone' thing as well. What I CAN tell you is that if you equip and attune a Gi you've bought from the broker, it acts just like normal items and stays where it bloody well should. I can <EM>also</EM> tell you that if you're already wearing one and have just managed to get another to drop, when you zone out the unattuned, unworn Gi will be nothing more than a fond memory. Don't ask me why - I've only just reached the mental equilibrium where I can even tell you this without having to periodically leave the keyboard to assault innocent passers-by and bite the heads off local fauna.

[bonesbro]

I posted a thread on the Items & Equipment forum linking here.  The item devs generally read there and will hopefully fix this soon.

[Owa]

<DIV>Bones for President!</DIV>

[zabor]

<blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<BR>Don't ask me why - I've only just reached the mental equilibrium where I can even tell you this without having to periodically leave the keyboard to assault innocent passers-by and bite the heads off local fauna. <hr></blockquote>wow. just wow.

[the_Lawbringer]

Please forgive my ignorance, but I just recently purchased the adventure pack and really haven't gotten far into it as I've been playing around in DOF instead.  As I understand it, the Tombs of Night pack is kind of linear in it's storyline/quests, meaning I probably have to do a few other things first before I can get to the named vampires no?

[Balmore]

We have been farming Rhayne T'Dax in ToN: Retribution. But no luck, he dropped adept 1s lv. 30 ones.I wonder if the instance does matter.Or shall we keep farming him for that?Thank you for the valuable information!EDIT: We trio'ing that thing at 34. So the fight is really exciting.Monk + Fury + Ranger<p>Message Edited by Balmore on <span class=date_text>10-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:20 AM</span>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> the_Lawbringer wrote:<BR> Please forgive my ignorance, but I just recently purchased the adventure pack and really haven't gotten far into it as I've been playing around in DOF instead.  As I understand it, the Tombs of Night pack is kind of linear in it's storyline/quests, meaning I probably have to do a few other things first before I can get to the named vampires no?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT size=2>Yes. The key thing to remember when playing the Bloodlines expansion is that it's cack.  This means that the quests are extremely dull and long and awful, and that the mobs are bemusingly overpowered. In fact, off the top of my head I can't think of any mobs that are as under-conned, pound for pound, as the named vampires in the Tombs of Night. These chaps have plenty of hitpoints, can melee like b*stards, and throw out all manner of nasty AoEs and DoTS from a seemingly limitless power pool.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>The ultimate reward for completeing the storyline is nominally an ability to assume the form of a vampire (without any of their powers, unfortunately) and '<STRONG>Corpsecrush</STRONG>', a very powerful vampire-specific attack which, for reasons best known to the designers, is attained at precisely the point where you don't have to kill vampires any more.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>However, the <EM>real</EM> best reasons for doing this storyline as a Brawler subclass are the<STRONG> Blood Drenched Gi</STRONG> - which is a great chest piece with very good melee stats and, more importantly, an unusual graphic - and '<STRONG>Devastation Fist'</STRONG> which, in my opinion at least, is the very useful ability to one-shot all sub-50 non-heroic/epic mobs. It stuns you for a few seconds after you cast it, but it's still worth all the hassle even if just for its ability to [Removed for Content] off other classes. Both of these are available without having to finish the storyline, and unless you really want that natty 'Vampire Hunter' tag I would just stop there.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>To get to the named vampires you need to complete the D'Morte Burial Chambers in SE Nek Forest  (which will take no time for a decent party or a 40+ soloer), then go up to Timber Falls and talk to either the 'good' or 'evil' quest-givers who lounge around near the waterfall. The quests are all covered at OGaming, </FONT><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/search/quests_results.php?zone_name=Tombs%20of%20Night:%2 0A%20Search%20for%20Answers" target=_blank><FONT size=2>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/search/quests_results.php?zone_name=Tombs%20of%20Night:%2 0A%20Search%20for%20Answers</FONT></A><FONT size=2>, but basically, you need to clear a couple of missions in the caverns behind the falls before vampires appear.</FONT></P> <p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>10-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:55 AM</span>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balmore wrote:<BR>We have been farming Rhayne T'Dax in ToN: Retribution. But no luck, he dropped adept 1s lv. 30 ones.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I wonder if the instance does matter.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Or shall we keep farming him for that?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thank you for the valuable information!<BR><BR>EDIT: We trio'ing that thing at 34. So the fight is really exciting.<BR><BR>Monk + Fury + Ranger <P>Message Edited by Balmore on <SPAN class=date_text>10-01-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>09:20 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>"Retribution" is the right instance for the Gi - but if you've completed the "Mysterious Artifacts" quest it <U>may</U> have some bearing on whether this item drops or not. I took care NOT to finish the quest before finding the Gi, just in case - but I can't say definitely whether this is a factor.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>What I can<EM> </EM>say is that I had to kill a lot of Rhaynes and Nilths before I got my drop. But it did drop eventually. The only problem, as I believe I may have mentioned, is that the Gi tends to disappear immediately on leaving this zone. It's <EM>possible</EM> you might consider this an amusing and wacky bit of coding fun -  but personally I didn't care for it one whole f*ck of a lot.</FONT></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>10-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:00 AM</span>

[bonesbro]

<span><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div> <div></div><p><font size="2"> '<strong>Devastation Fist'</strong> which, in my opinion at least, is the very useful ability to one-shot all sub-50 non-heroic/epic mobs. It stuns you for a few seconds after you cast it, but it's still worth all the hassle even if just for its ability to [Removed for Content] off other classes. </font></p><div></div><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class="date_text">10-01-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:55 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote> The level 50 restriction has been removed.  It will work on any non-heroic mob.  If it lands (and kills them) you are stifled for 11 seconds afterward.  Of course, because it's just a normal melee attack, it can miss or be parried, so against an orange or higher mob it's definitely not a guaranteed kill.  It has a 5 minute reuse timer.</span><div></div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=2> '<STRONG>Devastation Fist'</STRONG> which, in my opinion at least, is the very useful ability to one-shot all sub-50 non-heroic/epic mobs. It stuns you for a few seconds after you cast it, but it's still worth all the hassle even if just for its ability to [Removed for Content] off other classes. <BR></FONT></P> <P>Message Edited by annaspider on <SPAN class=date_text>10-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:55 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The level 50 restriction has been removed.  It will work on any non-heroic mob.  If it lands (and kills them) you are stifled for 11 seconds afterward.  Of course, because it's just a normal melee attack, it can miss or be parried, so against an orange or higher mob it's definitely not a guaranteed kill.  It has a 5 minute reuse timer.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Uh huh - but does it still [Removed for Content] off other classes?</DIV>

[Balmore]

Thank you Annaspider! One more question about the no-zone, what if I attune it then wear it up? Does it go away? Thanks again! <div></div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balmore wrote:<BR>Thank you Annaspider!<BR><BR>One more question about the no-zone, what if I attune it then wear it up? Does it go away?<BR><BR><BR>Thanks again!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not sure what you mean by 'wear it up', if you mean 'will it work when I level up?' then mine is still good at lvl 45 and has so far managed not to disappear no matter how many times I zone. If you mean 'will it disppear when I come up from the caverns after having attuned/worn it?' I couldn't really say as the Gi I've been wearing was bought from the broker a while ago and may well have been looted before LU#13  - <DIV>which as Bones pointed out, seems to have caused this item to become horribly bugge(re)d.</DIV>

[Balmore]

Cool, Thank you for the awesome amount of information! I really appreciate your help! <div></div>

[Owa]

No worries. It's nice to be able to post something informative. Usually I just shoot my mouth.

[Balmore]

/rofl<div></div>

[Ribbitz]

<DIV>Are there any Gis that are reasonable to get at level 51 without an x4 raid that actually have better stats than T5 Legendary tunic? I mean seriously, from what I've seen of the Blood Gi it's way outdone by an Augmented Tunic or a Scaled Tunic for that matter. Anything that seems to beat out the Blood Gi seems to be fabled from X4 raids, and while my guild is just to the point of x4 raids they arnt happening frequent enough for me to feel like I have any decent chance at a rare fabled drop from an x4 raid zone. The targets that seem like they have it on their loot table seem to be a) rare drops and b) no interest in the targets or zones, such as Splitpaw Raid zone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bleh, we need a compiled guide to all the Gis in the game. The mob that drops it, the zone, the access required, the level of the mob, the stats on the Gis, and the rarity of the drop.</DIV>

[bonesbro]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ribbitz wrote:<div>Are there any Gis that are reasonable to get at level 51 without an x4 raid that actually have better stats than T5 Legendary tunic? I mean seriously, from what I've seen of the Blood Gi it's way outdone by an Augmented Tunic or a Scaled Tunic for that matter. Anything that seems to beat out the Blood Gi seems to be fabled from X4 raids, and while my guild is just to the point of x4 raids they arnt happening frequent enough for me to feel like I have any decent chance at a rare fabled drop from an x4 raid zone. The targets that seem like they have it on their loot table seem to be a) rare drops and b) no interest in the targets or zones, such as Splitpaw Raid zone.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bleh, we need a compiled guide to all the Gis in the game. The mob that drops it, the zone, the access required, the level of the mob, the stats on the Gis, and the rarity of the drop.</div><hr></blockquote> The Rujarkian Gi has comparable stats.  Slightly higher mitigation, and the 9 agi/str is very close to the 8/12 on the Imbued Augmented.  It's not as good as a Scaled tunic, but I'm enjoying looking like a brawler again, not a druid.</span><div></div>

[bonesbro]

<span><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div>Uh huh - but does it still [Removed for Content] off other classes?</div><hr></blockquote>Yup!  I call it deathtouch, which pisses off most classes - except when there's an assassin in the group, where I'll call it assassinate.</span><div></div>

[Icewolf99]

46 monk here, I can't solo those guys, they nuke me for 460 damage over and over and using all my stuns I still can't stop them long eough to kill them... any hints or tactics you guys are using ? <div></div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Icewolf99 wrote:<BR>46 monk here, I can't solo those guys, they nuke me for 460 damage over and over and using all my stuns I still can't stop them long eough to kill them... any hints or tactics you guys are using ?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What I do is get all buffed up, perhaps with a resist posion or magic potion if I've got some spare cash, then tear into the minions, trying to mez/stifle or stun the named on the way in. I beat down as many as I can  - just damage, no fearing/stifling, stunning or any of that fancy stuff - before my health looks iffy then I run, FD and recharge. If you're quick you can get rid of the minions and take on the names before the encounters reset. Unlike the minions though, I use as many stuns and fears as possible when fighting the names and never fight'em 'til their mates are dead - 'cause their nukes are indeed pretty nasty.</DIV>

[Ribbitz]

<DIV>Since when can a monk fear and mezmorize?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lol.</DIV>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ribbitz wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since when can a monk fear and mezmorize?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lol.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I put a '/' between mez and stifle to indicate their equivalence.  Put simply, playing as a Bruiser I would use mesmerise, whereas playing my Monk I would use the equivalent line - which is stifle.</P> <P>See?</P> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>10-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 AM</span>

[Balmore]

Annaspider,I got one. Attuned it. Put it on myself. But ... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The bug ... no-zone took it away! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It's not funny at all! I hope they fix it soon!I want my Gi back! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balmore wrote:<BR>Annaspider,<BR><BR>I got one. Attuned it. Put it on myself. But ... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>The bug ... no-zone took it away! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>It's not funny at all! I hope they fix it soon!<BR><BR>I want my Gi back! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>[Removed for Content], innit?<BR>

[RyanTSi]

<DIV>what is the highest level you can be before the names grey out? im just a little confused i see on the first post it says optimum level is 45 and someone said they tried it when they were 46....i always thaught it was 40.... does anyone know definatly the highest level you can be and they'll still be green?</DIV>

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT size=2>Two of the three named vampires (<FONT color=#ffff00>Rhayn T'Dax</FONT> and  <FONT color=#ffff00>Dvith N'Zur</FONT>) are 35, the other (<FONT color=#ffff00>Nilith T'Feyd</FONT>) is 36. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Since the combat revamp, the level at which mobs will continue to con green has been increased to 10 levels below. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You <EM>could</EM> go in at 46 and just attack the level 36 name - it was he, in fact, who dropped the Gi for me - but the optimum level might stilll be 45 when you have a choice of three possibles each time you try.</FONT></DIV>

[RyanTSi]

<DIV>ahh ok thanks for clearing that up</DIV>

[Balmore]

So, I contacted a GM to return the missing Gi to me. The GM was kind enough to do that. Yay!BUT... bad news inc...By the time I logged in, it was gone again!I hate it, I hope devs are looking into fixing this bug.Armor with 'no-zone' tag on it? That's just wrong!Folks, please /bug this!

[Owa]

<P>Yup - this is the most desirable non-fabled Monk/Bruiser item, it works great (I'm still wearing it at 46 even though the pristine imbued augmented has its advantages) and if you go through the (many, many) hoops to get one you can make a sh*tload of cash.</P> <P>If the 'no zone' tag had been slapped on all iron cestii, for example, I'm sure we could all live with that. But on this godly piece of kit? Uh uh.</P> <P>After hearing of your -partial- success, I'm going to try and get a GM to give me mine back. If it disappears again, well at least that's one more person aware of the problem - and I strongly suggest anyone who wants one puts a /bump on Bones' thread on the Items board.</P>

[Balmore]

Devs are looking into it. Yay!I will petition after they fix it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Owa]

<DIV>Got a message from GM Emwor today saying I should check my inventory . I'm guessing that that's in case I don't know what the Gi looks like or have imagined the whole thing.  Unbelieveable. Of course I'd appraised him that there were numerous posts regarding the Disappearing Gi, but clearly reading any of them was beyond the purview of customer service.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Having decided he'd solved everything he* informed me that he was closing the CS ticket.  By the way,  as I was trying to have  another crack at explaining this mind-bogglingly simple problem I found that you can't post CS tickets at the moment. Genius.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How, exactly, <EM>does </EM>one get a job in SoE's... ahem... 'customer service'?  To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, I think all you need is a name.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't know what they're paying these monkeys, but if it's anything more than nothing, something's going on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* Could have been a she. Not all cretins are male.</DIV><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>10-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:09 PM</span>

[Vylo]

<DIV>ooo i hope they fix this soon!  my AQ is about to be too low <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  i'd hate to sacrifice stats to look cute <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Phurrin]

I'm having a slightly different problem.. I was wearing the gi when LU#13 was put in, and whenever I zone it is dropped into my overflow slot, regardless of whether or not my inventory is full. Also, if I put my 6th bag into my bank, whenever I zone the gi will always drop into the same slot in that bag, instead of my overflow. Have /bug'd this four times, getting close to the point of throwing it out (two friends already have <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) <div></div>

[Balmore]

<div></div><p><strong><font color="#ffcc00">*** Items ***</font></strong></p><p>- The Blood Drenched Gi no longer has a No Zone flag.</p><p></p><p>Currently on test... coming soon to live! Yay!</p><div></div>

[shaolen]

Yeah just read that, good news indeed. 

[Edyil]

<P>Actually your reward corpsecrush is usefull for farming fanges for your overall reward, vampire illusion.  Well, usefull is an overstatement.  "Available to play with while farming" is probably more accurate.</P> <P>I wonder if I can get a buddy to use his vamp illusion and then I corpsecrush him in PVP...  That would be entertaining - for me.  I doubt they have that forethought.</P>

[Vylo]

<DIV>woot!</DIV> <DIV> LU 15 today...  The Blood Drenched Gi no longer has a No Zone flag.</DIV>

[Colossaltitan]

/dance nakie <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Balmore]

Sweet!<div></div>

[Vylo]

<DIV>and there was much rejoicing... yea...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hehe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>good thing D'Morte's zones are instanced... otherwise there'd be fights on all servers over the mobs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[shaolen]

Has anyone petetioned yet to get thier Gi replaced?

[Raage]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Icewolf99 wrote:<BR>46 monk here, I can't solo those guys, they nuke me for 460 damage over and over and using all my stuns I still can't stop them long eough to kill them... any hints or tactics you guys are using ?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I had the exact same question, but I'm only LVL 44. Has anyone around that lvl tried to solo these guys? I have t5 rare gear, imbued weapons & adept CA's... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>help a monk look like a monk...tho I took my shirt off today (in game, post patch) and them DE's are a little on the skinny side. Maybe I should keep my leather tunic on <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Vylo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raage wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>help a monk look like a monk...tho I took my shirt off today (in game, post patch) and them DE's are a little on the skinny side. Maybe I should keep my leather tunic on <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>hehe yeah saw a boy DE monk in AQ6 Gi the other night in EL... blue nipp|es are quite odd looking hahahaha</DIV>

[Prothos]

They gave me bk my Gi woot! lol

[shaolen]

I petitioned and recieved mine back also.

[Colossaltitan]

Got mine today! I'm so happy <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. But... you see gloves still with the Gi on <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. They don't match so well.

[Raage]

I hate to beat a dead horse here...I have a few questions about getting this gi:1) Does it only drop in "ToN: Retribution"? Or can it drop off the named Vamps in "ToN:A search for answers" (I soloed Rhayne last night and he dropped a Master Chest that contained 2 server 1st items, which was a 1st for me, but no gi)?2) If only in "Retribution", how to you get that as an option? I am currently working the "Missing Scouts" quest in the "Search for Answers" zone, but Chief Strongarm is unsolo-able for me (the other 3 named went down, but he hasn't even come close yet) and I fear I need to complete that quest to get "ToN: Retribution" as an option.Thx

[Colossaltitan]

I got mine in Tombs of Night.  Just tombs of night, no search for answers, or retribution...<BR><BR>This is the zone you automatically enter into after completing all of the BLC quests.  It dropped off the vampire in the bottom of the zone.

[shaolen]

I think that it can drop of off any of the three named vampires metioned earlier no matter which instance of TON.  As long as they are at least green to you they could drop it.   I believe I got mine in the third instance, I forget the name though.   But be aware that after the 3rd or 4th instance the named vamps have been replaced or are no longer there.

[Raage]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Colossaltitan wrote:<BR>I got mine in Tombs of Night.  Just tombs of night, no search for answers, or retribution...<BR><BR>This is the zone you automatically enter into after completing all of the BLC quests.  It dropped off the vampire in the bottom of the zone. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>the Vamp in the bottom area was 36^^^, and the Rhayne T'Dax was hard enuff at 35^^^. I think I'll ding 45 tonight and be able to TRY and kill both those Vamps and hopefully increase my odds of getting the gi.</P> <P>thx for the info</P> <P> </P> <P>(EDITED TO SAY "try" )</P><p>Message Edited by Raage on <span class=date_text>10-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:56 AM</span>

[Colossaltitan]

In the last version he is very easy, he doesn't have the 1.5k 30sec "special" piercing arrows attack. <BR>A tip in killing him, don't bother with the adds at all. Just full out DPS on named. <p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>10-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:07 PM</span>

[Colossaltitan]

Did they up the drop rates on BDG? Holy, I've gotten 5 in 5kills. Lol

[Raage]

<P>5 in 5 kills..? That would be nice...sell the 1st - 4th, wear the 5th. Buy a place in QH w/ the proceeds as I'm sure that could sell for a plat or so...all set</P> <P>I killed T'Dax 3 or 4 times last night and after the 1st kill (where he dropped the Flail of Punishment) he didn't drop squat. I'll go try the lvl 36 guy tonight and see what happens. </P>

[Owa]

<P><FONT size=2>Well I still haven't got mine back - which is particularly vexing seeing as I'm the c*nt that started this f*cking thread.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2> I really want my looted Gi back so I can sell the f*cker  - and buy enough benzodiazepines to take the edge off all of this stress that getting and losing the c*nting thing engendered in the first place...</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Is anyone else able to file CS tickets? Personally, I haven't had the option to file a ticket since I called 'em all monkeys. Could that be a factor?</FONT></P>

[Colossaltitan]

I don't think they are allowed to take away your ability to petition, that is... unless you stopped paying for your account. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Colossaltitan wrote:<BR>I don't think they are allowed to take away your ability to petition, that is... unless you stopped paying for your account. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not yet, mate..but I can feel it coming.

[Colossaltitan]

Your probably right!

[Raage]

<blockquote><hr>Raage wrote: <P>5 in 5 kills..? That would be nice...sell the 1st - 4th, wear the 5th. Buy a place in QH w/ the proceeds as I'm sure that could sell for a plat or so...all set</P> <P>I killed T'Dax 3 or 4 times last night and after the 1st kill (where he dropped the Flail of Punishment) he didn't drop squat. I'll go try the lvl 36 guy tonight and see what happens. </P><hr></blockquote>Well...I think I was the victim of a drive by nerfing yesterday. I was killing T'Dax about every 10-15 mins off and on for a few hours (house work here, meal there). The drops were very good. I had 2 Master chest drops, and numerous other chests. BUT no BDG. I didn't really care cuz the loot was gonna sell for a good ransom (which it has). But at some point, later in the day, the chest drops of ANY sort have stopped. I have killed him 3 times today, and nada. At level 45 T'Dax is very doable...<p>Message Edited by Raage on <span class=date_text>10-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:48 AM</span>

[Cer]

<DIV>Killed them for almost 10 hours yesterday. Closest I got so far was two Perserved Woven Tunics. I kept getting junk I have no interest in. In the end I finally had to give up, I was no longer able to kill them, which is odd considering I had been doing it most of the day. I'll have to try again when I get back from my conferance, but I really don't like the fact that I have to camp 1 or 2 mobs to for something for so long that I gain 35% of a level...it seems wrong.</DIV>

[Raage]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ceryk wrote:<BR> <DIV>Killed them for almost 10 hours yesterday. Closest I got so far was two Perserved Woven Tunics. I kept getting junk I have no interest in. In the end I finally had to give up, I was no longer able to kill them, which is odd considering I had been doing it most of the day. I'll have to try again when I get back from my conferance, but I really don't like the fact that I have to camp 1 or 2 mobs to for something for so long that I gain 35% of a level...it seems wrong.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I feel yer pain. I think I'm on my 4th day of camping/killing T'Dax in ToN: Retribution, w/ no BDG (Bet I've killed him over 50 times now). The chests are now about every 7-10 kills. And I too have a closet full of Woven Tunics & Braclets of the Cursed (I think they're called) along w/ various other "stuff." I don't care if I have to turn off my XP at 45.99%, I'm gonna get that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Gi :smileywink:

[Raage]

ps: I finally got the BDG to drop off of T'Feyd once I hit level 46. Killed him about 8 times after I dinged 46 (T'Dax greyed out to me after 46, and I had killed him ~100 times anyways w/o it dropping). So now I have it, but don't wear it...it was the principle of the matter...I wanted a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] GI!! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lunah]

Well ran the Retribution instance about 8 times today just killing the named vamps with a templar to make it a bit easier and finally got it to drop. Yes my imbued tier 5 rare tunic is better but when dpsing and running around I will wear my gi. For tanking I will switch to my tunic, I am just happy that I can look like a monk again and not a druid! Now to work on getting one of the raid drop gi's. Gotta have a goal right? :smileyhappy:

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lunah wrote:<BR>Well ran the Retribution instance about 8 times today just killing the named vamps with a templar to make it a bit easier and finally got it to drop. Yes my imbued tier 5 rare tunic is better but when dpsing and running around I will wear my gi. For tanking I will switch to my tunic, I am just happy that I can look like a monk again and not a druid! Now to work on getting one of the raid drop gi's. Gotta have a goal right? :smileyhappy: <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think the Imbued Augmented T5 tunic is only better sometimes. Before it cons grey I found the + slashing, piercing, crushing of the Gi  to help quite a lot and I tended to be happier wearing it even with no AGI boost.  At 51, I still wear it sometimes (even now it's greyed out) and still don't feel that much better served by my Imbued Augmented Tunic - unless I'm tanking for a group.</P> <P> This is only an observation/opinion, mind you - and as absolutely unscientific and misinformed as all my other posts.</P>

[TheRealMo]

Well, 6 Blood Coated Censers, 4 Cursed Bracelets of Wisdom, 2 Preserved Woven Tunics, a Tortue Stick, Bloodstone Ring of Blood, Oak Root, Severed Oak, & 170 vampire fangs later.....I finally got my Blood Drenched Gi. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>I seriously doubt whether it drops from Rhayne at all. He seems to have 3 drops (censer, tunic, & bracelet) while Nilth also has 3 drops (stick, ring, & gi).<div></div>

[x0rtrun]

Grats on the Gi! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[DarkangelCA]

<div>Quick question, before attuning this item is it Tradeable?  I'm wondering if i could use my Dirge for the drop to hand off to my Monk.  Thnx.</div>

[Lanadr]

<div></div><p>Till what level is this gi viable till?</p><p>when should i absolutly get a new gi to replace this?</p><p>tnx</p>

[x0rtrun]

Yes, it's tradeable.It's viable until you can get yourself a Gi of madness or one of the other Gis dropped in T5 from 4x raid mobs. There aren't many to choose from.<div></div>

[Lanadr]

<div></div>whats the average cost of this gi? anyone know im looking to get one, even if i cant get it to drop

[x0rtrun]

I bought mine for 1.5 plat on neriak. It's not often that i've seen it for sale, but I don't really look very often now that i have one.It's pretty expensive at lvl 30ish, I bought it for the looks more than anything, and just to add to my collection, but someone who could actually make good use of it probably couldn't afford it unless they're a twink.<div></div>

[Dofey]

<div></div>I just bought mine for 2 plat (and i just made it to level 30 so now i can wear it yay :smileyvery-happy: )  I'm not a twink but well i guess i had good luck in selling things and i really saved up just to get it ( ie i didn't buy much of anything else). 

[ganjookie]

<div></div>HOLY CRAPOLA!  I bough a 2nd BDG for 20gp and the Rujarkian Woven Gi for 10gp on the vendor.  you guys got ripped off hardcore.  The BDG I bought 4 months ago and the Rujarkian Woven Gi I bought last month<div></div><p>Message Edited by ganjookie on <span class="date_text">01-29-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:47 AM</span></p>

[x0rtrun]

Prices are generally pretty high on neriak i think. Nothing's really cheap.<div></div>

[Brichar]

<div></div>forgive my question but it seems a little strange to be going after a lvl 30 Gi when your in your 40's?  is it worth it to wear or just for looks?  If just for looks I wont waste my time and go after a t6 one instead.

[duplicity]

Why not quest for it and save that hard earned cash?Its available on the 3rd Bloodlines quest....I just repeated the zone until it dropped. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Daae ThymeDE Monk, AB<div></div>

[trin ka]

I'm on the symbols quest and have been farming these two named vampires for the Gi. After reading these posts I guess I'll keep killing them. I have probably killed each 50 times with no Gi drop. Actually..killed them both 5 times in a row yesterday with no chest drop what-so-ever. I dont mind doing it but dragging my healer buddy in there I think is getting on her nerves<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The FD does or does not work for solo? If I kill all thiers buddys then FD I can kill the named but...doesnt that make the encounter not drop any chest loot? Getting annoyed but after reading this thread I guess it will finally drop..but the only loot I have seen is the censer, torture stick, tattered robes quest (which my 32 Conj loves<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) and a few adepts.

[BenYitzh]

I'm having a lot of trouble with Rhayne T'Dax at level 45. He's only level 35, but I get him down to orange and I'm just about dead, after having used Compress (adept I), the defensive stance (adept III), The rooting mitigation (adept III), the leather pants that give you 548 mitigation for 10 seconds, and even the Token of Defense that you get as a quest reward for Luring out Evil. Even without the Token of defense I could defeat the level 36 vampire Dvith'Nzur and his group. Is there some way to do this? Do I need to have all my skills at adept III to have a chance?<div></div>

[BenYitzh]

Never mind, I figured it out. I can't focus on the named, I have to drop the minons, feign, then drop the named.<div></div>

[trin ka]

Thats what I was doing..taking out the down arrow guys then FD...then kill the name. But the question I have is...when I FD I get the message "Encounter will not drop treasure" or whatever that message says. Every time I FD to kill the name he never dropped a chest..am I just unlucky?

[Cirth_Beer]

i did this adventure pack, and of all the vampire named i killed i never got a single chest <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  so didnt saw any gi <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  (but devastation fist is worth the trouble <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> of doing this pack)

[Ferous]

<DIV>Killing part of the encounter and then feigning should not break the encounter though I have seen it happen before. I never figured out the exact cause but it stopped happening after a couple resets. You may be having a different problem, but I remember it happening only on the version of Nillith Tfed where he is on the ledge above the pentagram, not actually down in the pit (which is the last/regular version of Tombs of Night). I had no luck with the earlier version that spawns in the Tombs of Night (XXXXXX) instance where he is on the ledge, but I got lots of Gis off the end version that is just called Tombs of Night. It was really easy to just zone back and forth to the Crypt of T'Haen until Nillith was in the room (maybe1 in 5-8 resets) and then he would have the Gi 1 in 4 times, and always some kind of chest. He was killable by lvl 44 with the FD-splitting and by 45 I didn't even have to FD.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My advice is only work on the Gi in the final Tombs of Night version (after quest 3 or whatever) and stock up and sell some over time (I got 2 plat each for them pretty quickly which is good money at that level).</DIV>

[BenYitzh]

So you suggest completing Symbols of the Damned?<div></div>

[Ferous]

<DIV>Right, my adice is to advance the quest-line a bit. I did the evil version but the quest you mentioned, according to OGaming, sends you to the "Tombs of Night: Retribution" version. Once you finish that quest, either the next or the next quest after that gets you into what I call the regular "Tombs of Night" (no ":Retribution" or ":Search for Answers" or whatever other versions). At the "end" of that version you have the room with th epentagram on the floor with the door that gets you to Crypt of T'Haen. You use that door to zone in and out until you get a reset of the zone with Nillith right there (chest every time and Gi is like 1 in 3 drop). Very easy (especially compared to the "killed him 50 times and never get anything posts" I see about the earlier versions of the zone).</DIV>

[BenYitzh]

I got it in Retribution on my lunch break yesterday. I'm thinking about getting more drops to sell, but I'm not sure if there's a demand for the gi.<div></div>

[Ferous]

<DIV>I hadn't sold one for awhile and put one up for 5 plat on saturday and it sold sometime before sunday night. That's the money drop for the expansion (along with the vampire fangs collection items).</DIV>

[SouthernAvenger]

Nice post <div></div>

[ShadowyStingray]

I have been trying to get this Gi for the past several days with no luck.  I am 45 and am currently on the 'Symbols of the Damned' quest so I am going into the Tombs of Night:Retribution instance.  I generally only try to kill Rhayen T'Dax when I am in the zone solo since Nillith is tougher for me at 45.  I have probably killed Rhayen what seems like 50 or so times also and have seen a bunch of Blood coated censers, cursed bracelets of the damned and a few leather tunics.  I even got a Master chest off of him once, but still no Gi yet.  Does this guy still have the Gi in his loot table and drop it?  Are the odds better with Nillith?  I can't believe it's this hard to get, especially since I think I've seen everything else Rhayen drops several times now.  Can anyone confirm that they got the Gi from Rhayen T'Dax in the Tombs of Night:Retribution instance recently? <div></div>

[TheRealMo]

<div><blockquote><hr>TheRealMoon wrote:Well, 6 Blood Coated Censers, 4 Cursed Bracelets of Wisdom, 2 Preserved Woven Tunics, a Tortue Stick, Bloodstone Ring of Blood, Oak Root, Severed Oak, & 170 vampire fangs later.....I finally got my Blood Drenched Gi. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>I seriously doubt whether it drops from Rhayne at all. He seems to have 3 drops (censer, tunic, & bracelet) while Nilth also has 3 drops (stick, ring, & gi).<div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm convinced that Rhayne does not drop the gi.</div>

[Chojin]

I could never get Rhayne to drop it either, after roughly 30-40 attempts.  I got it after 6 or so attempts against Nilith, who I couldn't solo until the latter part of lvl 46.  After the combat revamp that made NPCs use their class spells/CAs more frequently he became quite powerful.<div></div>

[DwarvesR]

<P>I was in a group today where we farmed N'lith for the Gi.  We got 3 of them in about an hour and a half.  Group was me (45 SK tanking), a 48 Wizard, and a 57 templar who mentored to me, thus making the level 36 group green to us.  The templar had access to the Crypts of Th'aen, so we just zoned in and out until the named would pop as we returned to the ToN.  He dropped the Gi about 1 time in 3, and he popped about every 5th or 6th time we zoned back.  The constant zoning was semi boring, but. . . we got the gi for the wizard 2x (1 for her monk alt, 1 for her husband's monk) and once for me (for my monk).  We also got 2 of the "<A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=66780" target=_blank>Torture Stick</A>" staves that have a nice 12 STR, +3 crushing, and +70 vs slash and pierce.  They don't do a whole lotta damage though, at least not when compared to my imbued oak bo staff, but still not bad.  Couple of decent rings, and even a Master box 1x with a Master book, a Severed Oak, and an adept book.  Not a bad hour and a half, really.</P> <P>Now for my complaint about the Gi:</P> <P>When you put it on, it doesn't cover your glove slot.  I'm putting in 2 pics.  the one on the left is how I expected it to look, the one on the right is how it actually looks.</P> <P><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/094/825.JPG"> <IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/095/261.JPG"></P> <P>Is it just me, or is that sick and wrong to have the gloves showing like that?</P> <P> </P>

[Caethre]

<P>OOC.</P> <P>Tonight, after reaching Monk Level 45, Lorianna started the Bloodlines quests, and when she had completed the first two quests ("Missing Scouts" and "Luring Out The Evil"), she started working on the third one "Symbols of the Damned". Even in a full set of Mastercrafted tier 5 leather and jewelry (apart from her "Gi of the Silent Fist Initiate" still in her chest slot), the heroic groups that these nameds come in were too hard to do in one attempt, so she killed some of the minions then FD'd the rest off, healed up, killed the rest of the minions, FD'd, healed up again, then pulled the named on his own and killed him (just!). Using this approach, she managed to kill both Rhayn T`Dax  and Nilith T`Feyd, but they dropped nothing but teeth.</P> <P>Second attempt, she killed them again, and this time, Nilith T`Feyd dropped a chest, and inside it was a nice shiney new "Blood Drenched Gi"!</P> <P>WOOOOOOOT!</P> <P>So, thank you for this thread, worked a treat!</P> <P>Felishanna / Annaelisa & Lorianna</P>

[Novusod]

Does anyone know if this item is still NO-ZONE and cannot be placed on the broker? I have a lvl39 Bruiser that could use this Gi. I already completed the access quests so I will be heading in there soon to see for myself. <div></div>

[Xada]

<DIV>I'm pretty sure the no-zone thing got fixed a few updates ago. And it can be placed on the broker. I've seen it... for 6pp <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>