Dual Wield weapon procs

[Krayzon]

<DIV>Hi all,</DIV> <DIV>Sorry if this may be repetative but I am approaching level 40 and I am planning on dual wielding imbued weapons when I get there.  In dealing with dual wielding, does each weapon have it's own % to proc?  Is the % inceased since there would be two of that weapon?  Or is only one of the weapons % chance to proc considered?  Sorry if this is a bit vague, I have never had one of these before.</DIV> <DIV>Krayzun</DIV>

[Edyil]

<P>Some expert here will give you the full answer.  But in short, your weapon speed effects the proc rate.  So when buffed if you are using a 1s delay weapon, then your proc is halved or something.  So two procing weapons is a total of 5%.  This is done to keep it in line with the 2h series of weapons that are also 5%.</P> <P> </P> <P>Someone will probably correct me since I did that from memory from threads many months ago <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[bonesbro]

From what I recall, there were fewer overall procs when using DW as opposed to 2H - the same number from autoattack, but fewer from combat arts.  This might have changed with the combat changes. <div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Edyil wrote:<p>Some expert here will give you the full answer.  But in short, your weapon speed effects the proc rate.  So when buffed if you are using a 1s delay weapon, then your proc is halved or something.  So two procing weapons is a total of 5%.  This is done to keep it in line with the 2h series of weapons that are also 5%.</p> <p>Someone will probably correct me since I did that from memory from threads many months ago <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <hr></blockquote></span><span>caveat, all this is subject to change if they fiddled in the combat upgrade... </span><span>Proc rates were stated by a dev to be a percentage chance to occur based on a 3 second delay.  So if you have a 5% proc, and a 3 second weapon, each swing is approximately 5% of a chance to proc.  If your weapon was 1.5 speed it would make a swing at 2.5% proc, and 3 speed would give you a 10% chance. This is why a lot of people who watched this info went with really slow weapons, if you were only going to get a single or a few swings in, you were betting that the odds would be boosted in your favor..  for example I had a long delay bow (I think 6 or so, whatever the default was) so that gave my 25% poison a 50% chance to proc on a given shot.. Since I would only lead in with the bow, I would get an effectively instant shot (since the delay is how long to rewarm up to shoot again, not a delay before you shoot) that would have a boosted chance to proc the imbued damage strike and a 50% chance to proc a poison.. really nice lead in for my swashy. Given that the proc rate is a percentage chance, over time the proc rate can be expressed in a per minute value.. if there is a 5% chance every 3 seconds, that 100% chance every minute (on the average, not a guarantee)... so weapon speed makes no difference in the long scheme of things.. just in situations where fights or use of that weapon are very short or just a single shot. With casting times of CAs largely negated from the equation, we still have the haste issue to contend with and the riposte issue, so I personally still recommend as slow a weapon as possible that has the highest damage rating you can get, even if it is a dual wield weapon set. One of the devs also mentioned something how procs were supposed to stack, but it wasn't clear to me if imbuing -both- dual wield weapons would actually give a double chance to proc, or if it was just going to be a single.. I suspect the latter, since they seem to like to cap things by name/type of proc.. i.e. two poisons of the same type dont stack, but you can stack different effects.. so I would suspect that having two gleaming strike imbued weapons wouldn't improve your chance.. but if you had two different named procs it should.. </span><div></div>

[Durlinn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Ariven wrote:</P> <P><SPAN>One of the devs also mentioned something how procs were supposed to stack, but it wasn't clear to me if imbuing -both- dual wield weapons would actually give a double chance to proc, or if it was just going to be a single.. I suspect the latter, since they seem to like to cap things by name/type of proc.. i.e. two poisons of the same type dont stack, but you can stack different effects.. so I would suspect that having two gleaming strike imbued weapons wouldn't improve your chance.. but if you had two different named procs it should..<BR></SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Hmmm, very interesting point Ariven. I usually use two player made imbued weaps. Anyone else have info about this?</DIV>

[bonesbro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Durlinn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hmmm, very interesting point Ariven. I usually use two player made imbued weaps. Anyone else have info about this?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yeah, I tested that a while ago.  I had almost exactly twice as many procs when using two identical imbued weapons as I did when I had one imbued weapon and one nonimbued weapon.  So it's working correctly.</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>bonesbro wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Durlinn wrote: <div>Hmmm, very interesting point Ariven. I usually use two player made imbued weaps. Anyone else have info about this?</div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>Yeah, I tested that a while ago.  I had almost exactly twice as many procs when using two identical imbued weapons as I did when I had one imbued weapon and one nonimbued weapon.  So it's working correctly.</div><hr></blockquote> Cool, now I get to go make a weaponsmith happy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I hate the streaky nature of it though, the other day (right after combat upgrade) I was tracking procs on my swashy, and out of 800 attacks (autoattack and combat arts) I had -1- proc Was rather disenheartening...</span><div></div>

[Edyil]

hehe talk about some bad luck....

[Durlinn]

Thanks Bonesbro and Ariven. Very helpful info.

[Niuan]

I parsed about an hours worth of fighting last night to see how my new Dual Wield weop was procing.. it has a 5% chance only one of my weops has this proc... it only fired off 5 times with lots and lots of fighting.  I don't know if this imbued weop is worth the price after seeing the stats.  Perhaps if my other weop procced it would be more.  who knows.

[JudyJudy]

<EM>Wow.  Not to sound like an [Removed for Content], but it sounds as if you have horrible luck.  I proc with both of my imbued augmented cestii about every-other fight or so.  My wife, whom I duo with, asked if I was casting anything addtional or if her particle effects toggle has been changed, because litterally it looks like a firework display just about every encounter or so.</EM>