SK get evac?

[cr0wangel]

<DIV>Ok maybe you will say I am late on the news, but since I am MT, I don't group often with others tanks. I grouped with a SK, and I realized that SK have evac.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My post was just to mention that some players are complaining about their SK character, saying they want more taunts and more damage, but they have evac! Evac is a wonderful and very useful skill for a tank, SK should enjoy what they have. Berserker have more taunt and damage but we don't have evac...we don't have a horse...we don't have fake death... So it's fair.</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>cr0wangel wrote:<div>Ok maybe you will say I am late on the news, but since I am MT, I don't group often with others tanks. I grouped with a SK, and I realized that SK have evac.</div> <div> </div> <div>My post was just to mention that some players are complaining about their SK character, saying they want more taunts and more damage, but they have evac! Evac is a wonderful and very useful skill for a tank, SK should enjoy what they have. Berserker have more taunt and damage but we don't have evac...we don't have a horse...we don't have fake death... So it's fair.</div><hr></blockquote> Aren't SK's scouts? /innocentlook</span><div></div>

[Styk]

Lol i was wondering why this thread was one starred but yeah now i know why.... um SK's are tanks , most of them i know could care less about evac.... they want there primary role ( which is a tank ) to be working good not evac... <div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Styker wrote:Lol i was wondering why this thread was one starred but yeah now i know why.... um SK's are tanks , most of them i know could care less about evac.... they want there primary role ( which is a tank ) to be working good not evac... <div></div><hr></blockquote> Heh, wardens get evac too... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    honestly I can see lots of utility in having evac in a tank or healer...  I would think they would be among the first to know if it was going to hit the fan shortly.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Giland]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cr0wangel wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok maybe you will say I am late on the news, but since I am MT, I don't group often with others tanks. I grouped with a SK, and I realized that SK have evac.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My post was just to mention that some players are complaining about their SK character, saying they want more taunts and more damage, but they have evac! Evac is a wonderful and very useful skill for a tank, SK should enjoy what they have. Berserker have more taunt and damage but we don't have evac...<STRONG><EM>we don't have a horse</EM></STRONG>...we don't have fake death... So it's fair.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Don't have a horse ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</DIV> <DIV>The paly horse is worthless.</DIV> <DIV>I hope that was said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, cause using that as a balancing factor, well, it's just funny.</DIV>

[cr0wangel]

<P>Well, I thought people will consider evac to be a useful skill..... Every class that have evac are happy to have it and use it. The SK don't value evac? Why it's not good for a tank to have evac?</P> <P>Some said: SK want to be better tank and don't want evac. The classes are differents and are there so people can enjoy the differences... As I understand, people would rather want the classes to be all the same? Why the players want to trade their abilities for others abilites? If the player don't like the abilities of his class, he should play another class. (Please note it doesn't apply to skills that are broken and bugs, but to the abilites themselves) ie if you think the horse and evac and fake death are useless, why do you play a SK? O_o Be a gardian, you will be a tank, no horse, no evac. Maybe those people are level 50 and it's too late to start over...they thought the class will be fun but got screwed by SOE?</P>

[Giland]

<P>The horse is pretty much useless, just like the fire hands effect is useless, and the shaman turning into a hawk is useless. None of the "fluff" spells should be considered for balance. Who would say "but shamans can turn people into beavers, so that makes it fair"?</P> <P>The statement was using horses as a balance "they get horses, so thats fair". That is what I was commenting on.</P> <P>A PC that is a SK, a paly, a zerker, or a guardian should all be able to tank, but just do it differently.</P> <P>Telling someone they get evac, that is why they can't tank, when they picked what they believed to be a tank, is what gets their backhair up.</P> <P> </P>

[Benaire]

I have Evac and its a great skill but would i give it up for some of the cool def or offencive skills berserkers get? for sure. Evac is good but doesnt measure up to say rallying cry line or tides or screaming fury etc. Sks are pretty fun though I have both a lvl 33 zerker and a 47 SK there both good but its very clear that the berserker is way more powerful in both tanking ability and damage output...... well damage is abit closer when the SK fights really long fights and has both pets out. I found Sks to make great off tanks with good damage and patch Wards.

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Benaire wrote:<BR>I have Evac and its a great skill but would i give it up for some of the cool def or offencive skills berserkers get? for sure. Evac is good but doesnt measure up to say rallying cry line or tides or screaming fury etc. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I understand your point, good to see you have fun with both classes. But why people want to exchange abilities? It will just make the classes look the same.  And I think they have to be different. I will not exchange a berserker skill for another, if I want some abilities, I will play the class that have these abilities. It seems the players want to have all the bonus of every tank in one class, I understand the point, but it will make people to be all the same.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Giland wrote:<BR> <P>A PC that is a SK, a paly, a zerker, or a guardian should all be able to tank, but just do it differently.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You forgot monk and bruiser, they are fighters. This is your view, not SOE view. SOE made the game so the tanks are not tanking equally. The players were not aware of this when they started their characters and it cause problems. SOE will fix the bugs and broken skills, that will help. But I do not think all the classes will ever tank equally. I am not saying I agree, I am saying this is what SOE decided.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgard wrote: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With fighters, damage potential is weighed against tanking ability. The latter is defined not just by avoidance or mitigation, but by the kind of buffs and abilities they get. Guardians and Paladins get the most defensive-oriented abilities, both for themselves and their groupmates. As a result, they will have the lowest damage output. At the other end of the scale are Bruisers and Monks, with Berserkers and Shadowknights in the middle. Keep in mind these differences are not wide chasms. A Guardian who upgrades all his damage arts could probably outdamage a Bruiser that puts little effort into upgrading his abilities. Likewise, a Monk who pays attention to gear and arts can be a better pure tank than an unskilled Paladin. The onus for maximizing the potential of a given character is on the player, because that's the one element of class balance that we have absolutely no control over.</DIV><p>Message Edited by cr0wangel on <span class=date_text>05-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:44 AM</span>

[DUNN]

You should see a Sk trying to Evac when he is tanking.  Not very usefull when it get interrupted 1 sec after you cast it and it takes 15 sec to cast . Evac and tanking is a bad conbination.

[Margen]

<P>I am only 36 so i don't have evac yet, but you know what, I am not awaiting with abaited breath for it either.  Because it will not help me with my main function, being a tank.  I don't want the same abilities as a beserker or guardian, I just want my supposed abilities to be on par with theirs, which IMHO right now they are not.  </P> <P>Lets look at it this way, your a non tank putting together a group, you only want a single tank ... and for arguments sake lets say no Guardians are available.  So which are you going to choose the best tank at maintain aggro and can increase the dps of all your melee types (beserker), or a tank that can cast evac (shadow knight).</P> <P>Think if you are honest you know which you would choose, the first and then pick a scout class which will provide better dps and can cast a quick evac.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath 36th Troll Shadow Knight</P>

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Margen wrote:<BR> <P>I am only 36 so i don't have evac yet, but you know what, I am not awaiting with abaited breath for it either.  Because it will not help me with my main function, being a tank.  I don't want the same abilities as a beserker or guardian, I just want my supposed abilities to be on par with theirs, which IMHO right now they are not.  </P> <P>Lets look at it this way, your a non tank putting together a group, you only want a single tank ... and for arguments sake lets say no Guardians are available.  So which are you going to choose the best tank at maintain aggro and can increase the dps of all your melee types (beserker), or a tank that can cast evac (shadow knight).</P> <P>Think if you are honest you know which you would choose, the first and then pick a scout class which will provide better dps and can cast a quick evac.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath 36th Troll Shadow Knight</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Then it brings me back to my main question, why if you don't like the abilities are you playing the class? If you feel your character is weak because of the class being bad, why not play another class? I thought SK was liking evac, if they don't... It bugs me, why keep playing a class you don't like? (Unless you are 50 already)</P><p>Message Edited by cr0wangel on <span class=date_text>06-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:55 AM</span>

[DUNN]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cr0wangel wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>Then it brings me back to my main question, why if you don't like the abilities are you playing the class? If you feel your character is weak because of the class being bad, why not play another class? I thought SK was liking evac, if they don't... It bugs me, why keep playing a class you don't like? (Unless you are 50 already)</P> <P>Message Edited by cr0wangel on <SPAN class=date_text>06-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:55 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Because we don't play Sk for he evac anyone who does is a fool.  I like my SK otherwise i wouldn't play him.  I don't care if i am the MT but if i am asked i will.  I can probably tank the same things you can.  <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>However if i am succesfull at it i have totally done it using less skills than any other tank class has available to them.</STRONG></FONT>  So if you see a SK that can tank the same things you can you can rest assure he is abetter tank than you.  They have less hp,  less aggro management,  and technachaly do less damage than you. To claim that because we get these skills that do not help us in our main role justifies our lower tankability is not well recieved by us sk.  It does not in any which way help us in tanking and only used after we finnished a fight or travelling. </P> <P>Think about it..... if the tank has to evac you already lost the fight.</P>

[timboi]

Yeah we get an evac.  Im not to sure why most the sk's complain so much but I love being an sk.  For the third time last night I tanked king zalak and king drayek with no problems I dont understand where some of the complaints are comming from I tank just fine and do hella dps.

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DUNN wrote:<BR> <P> To claim that because we get these skills that do not help us in our main role justifies our lower tankability is not well recieved by us sk. </P> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I can see this on the boards yes, most of the SK seem unhappy with teir class. SOE think the abilities, utilities, and etc justifiy the lower tankability, SOE made the class like this. So the classes can be different.  If SOE change SK, remove all your special stuff and make you tank better, won't you be the same as a gardian...? So I don't understand why people want this, why you want to loose your abilities and be as another class? Because if SOE make SK tank better, you will loose something in exchange, SOE won't make SK tank better without nerfing / removing something from the class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE think the abilities/spells/DPS/etc. justify the lower tankability, they put this in the balance, if you get more tankability, you loose some abilities.</DIV>

[DUNN]

Maybe all we ever ask the devs is to fix our Key abilities that define us as a Sk to make us tank better not remove or strip them to make us all the same. I.E. improve our lifetaps and wards to be more efficient to use.  Currently both are not up to par.   You should understand that just because we ask for changes in our abilty to tank , it does not mean we want to be like guardians or berserkers or any other tank class. 

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>DUNN wrote:<BR>Maybe all we ever ask the devs is to fix our Key abilities that define us as a Sk to make us tank better not remove or strip them to make us all the same. I.E. improve our lifetaps and wards to be more efficient to use. Currently both are not up to par.   You should understand that just because we ask for changes in our abilty to tank , it does not mean we want to be like guardians or berserkers or any other tank class. </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Improving your abilities to help to tank, yes. :smileyhappy: I thought you was saying "all fighters should tank the same" (ie: as gardians, since people see gardians as the best).  A lot of players want ALL fighters to tank equally...You can disagree with me if you want, but I do not wish all the fighers to tank equally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fighters have different tanking ability, mages have different DPS ability, healers have different healing ability. This is how SOE choose to balance the classes. A lot of players disagree with the fact that SOE put the tank ability of fighters in the balance, they wish they were all the same tank + some differents bonus. But fighters are:  differents tanks + differents bonus.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Improving your differences to make you better is good, removing your differences to make you as another class is not good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Margen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cr0wangel wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Margen wrote:<BR> <P>I am only 36 so i don't have evac yet, but you know what, I am not awaiting with abaited breath for it either.  Because it will not help me with my main function, being a tank.  I don't want the same abilities as a beserker or guardian, I just want my supposed abilities to be on par with theirs, which IMHO right now they are not.  </P> <P>Lets look at it this way, your a non tank putting together a group, you only want a single tank ... and for arguments sake lets say no Guardians are available.  So which are you going to choose the best tank at maintain aggro and can increase the dps of all your melee types (beserker), or a tank that can cast evac (shadow knight).</P> <P>Think if you are honest you know which you would choose, the first and then pick a scout class which will provide better dps and can cast a quick evac.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath 36th Troll Shadow Knight</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Then it brings me back to my main question, why if you don't like the abilities are you playing the class? If you feel your character is weak because of the class being bad, why not play another class? I thought SK was liking evac, if they don't... It bugs me, why keep playing a class you don't like? (Unless you are 50 already)</P> <P>Message Edited by cr0wangel on <SPAN class=date_text>06-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:55 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Cause some of us like the concept of an evil knight, plus some of us aren't min/maxers, who picked a class because they thought it was the Uber class of the day.  And what is this great utility we bring, EVAC, every scout can perform that and provide more utility, FD, starts getting buggy after 35. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> A lot of us that feel there is problems stick with the class because we like some aspects of it, and we aren't going to abandon it and jump from class to class just to find the "best" class, like some lazy attention deprived teenager.  We actually work harder for dps and for our aggro then any off the other heavy tanks, we can't cast a single buff and grab aggro, we have to work our butts off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have a beserker alt, due to that I like changing pace once in while, I suggest you try the Shadow Knight and gain a bit more informed outlook at the the strengths (yes there are some) and the weaknesses (unfortantutly at this time there are alot of them), before complaining about evac and then saying well if it isn't ubber, quit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blackoath 36th Troll Shadow Knight  </DIV>

[timboi]

<DIV>Ok not to be rude but I am getting pretty tired of the complaints from the fellow sk's.  I am a 50sk on everfrost and just the other night I was put up to tank king zalak 54 epic x 4 where the beserker failed.  I usually end up tanking a few 50+ epics a week when we dont have a gaurdian on ( and I dont want to tank the same a gaurdian I made this class knowing it was a dps / hybrid tank and doing nearly 3 times the damage of a gaurdian I would not trade that to tank as good).  I dont think the sk class is weak at all I can normally tank the same if not better as an beserker / pally running the damage parser running full out damage I almost always out damage scouts and all other heavy armor classes .  I think it depends alot on know how to play your character your gear and all your skills that you upgrade my 2 cents and none of it is intended to make anyone mad.</DIV> <DIV>Timboi</DIV>

[cr0wangel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Margen wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV> I suggest you try the Shadow Knight and gain a bit more informed outlook at the the strengths (yes there are some) and the weaknesses (unfortantutly at this time there are alot of them), before complaining about evac and then saying well if it isn't ubber, quit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I said: if you don't like it, play another class. I never said anything about being ubber. All I see around are players playing SK and being unhappy.</DIV>