Wis AA line: another nerf?

[Oneira]

As if the mitigation nerf weren't bad enough already, the 4th skill in the Wis AA line used to give you 40 mit per point you put in it, right??That meant a total of 320 mit bonus for 8 points right????Wrong.I've been going down the Wis line, and the increase is now much less than that, around 27 mit bonus for one point put in.With 4 point in it (i'm going for the final ability in the Wis line) it gives you a whopping mit bonus of 116.  And with 8 points that would make 232.And so, in addition to the mit changes giving us diminishing returns, this Wis skill has now become an almost complete waste of points.  A real double whammy.   If anything they should have increased the mit bonus given to make it halfway useful again.Way to go guys.<div></div>

[EpokSilvermo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>The same is true for every buff/item that gives a bonus to mitigation. Our defensive stance was adjusted to a precenttage already but the short term buffs (command, wall of force) are missing still. This AA deserves the same "fix" in my opinion. To make it worth again the mitigation bonus should be changed to a percentage.<p>Message Edited by butchrulez on <span class=date_text>01-11-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:09 PM</span>

[JimmyMa]

+314 to physical on mine... though I should have respec'd awhile ago, just never got around to it.<div></div>

[Ferunnia]

what level are you, oneira? gonna assume 70 though, or you'd not be so bothered. This makes me wonder if getting aa's on my guardian alt is worth it or if i should just retire her.

[Oneira]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ferunnia wrote:what level are you, oneira? gonna assume 70 though, or you'd not be so bothered. This makes me wonder if getting aa's on my guardian alt is worth it or if i should just retire her.<hr></blockquote>I'm 53 atm.  I get 119 mit from 4 points.  It's negligible even at my level.  I'm not putting anymore in there but instead am going for the final ability in the WIS, a good choice for a guardian on a pvp server IMO.</div>

[Keavea]

<DIV>with the Mit curve and avoid curv .. the Wis line is not needed anymore ( MIT ) i cant tell you in PVP but PVE defn not needed </DIV>

[Judist]

<P>There are a few guards on our server that are still going Mit. Basically they started out with the very best of KoS/DT/Contested plate and went full mit adornments + wiz line. And when I say adornments they are using every trick, aka wearing the DT bracelet with mit on the neck, ect...</P> <P>Even with the curve, when fully raid buffed they do have some outstanding numbers.</P> <P>Thats the only situation I'd see the wiz line worth it... if you have the base numbers from armor to make it worthwhile and use a mitigation MT group setup. I suppose if you could hit 70% mit, thats nothing to scoff at. And I'm gonna assume when temporary mit buffs are used, they can take quite a spanking for those 30 seconds.</P> <P>Personally I think avoidance will always be more bang for yer buck, so maybe they're just doing it for braggin rights.</P> <P> </P>

[Oneira]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>BeatinGuts wrote:<div></div> <p>There are a few guards on our server that are still going Mit. Basically they started out with the very best of KoS/DT/Contested plate and went full mit adornments + wiz line. And when I say adornments they are using every trick, aka wearing the DT bracelet with mit on the neck, ect...</p> <p>Even with the curve, when fully raid buffed they do have some outstanding numbers.</p> <p>Thats the only situation I'd see the wiz line worth it... if you have the base numbers from armor to make it worthwhile and use a mitigation MT group setup. I suppose if you could hit 70% mit, thats nothing to scoff at. And I'm gonna assume when temporary mit buffs are used, they can take quite a spanking for those 30 seconds.</p> <p>Personally I think avoidance will always be more bang for yer buck, so maybe they're just doing it for braggin rights.</p> <hr></blockquote>Ya, I pretty much agree.  I took the WIS line on a PvP server for 2 main reasons:  belly smash and the final ability so I could attack from the offensive stance with no minus to my def.  Considering how many times you end up fighting solo on a pvp, even as a guard, having a damage + phy mit debuff plus going full offense with no penalty seems worth it.  For a raid tank that isn't really important, but when in PvP, that 800 phy mit debuff and full offense with no penalty makes a real difference....at least i'd like to think so.  That combined with the STA line.  The +mit i just consider a little piece of candy and nothing more.<p>Message Edited by Oneira on <span class="date_text">01-15-2007</span> <span class="time_text">09:57 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Oneira on <span class=date_text>01-15-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:02 AM</span>

[WolfSha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BeatinGuts wrote:<BR> <P>There are a few guards on our server that are still going Mit. Basically they started out with the very best of KoS/DT/Contested plate and went full mit adornments + wiz line. And when I say adornments they are using every trick, aka wearing the DT bracelet with mit on the neck, ect...</P> <P>Even with the curve, when fully raid buffed they do have some outstanding numbers.</P> <P>Thats the only situation I'd see the wiz line worth it... if you have the base numbers from armor to make it worthwhile and use a mitigation MT group setup. I suppose if you could hit 70% mit, thats nothing to scoff at. And I'm gonna assume when temporary mit buffs are used, they can take quite a spanking for those 30 seconds.</P> <P>Personally I think avoidance will always be more bang for yer buck, so maybe they're just doing it for braggin rights.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I've just respeced to this actually - DT amulet, wis line, the lot.</P> <P>I had respeced towards avoidance based on what i'd read here and what friends had told me in game and it seemed to make sence, but looking at when i died, it was always to spike damage.... ie too much reliance on luck and not enough on good old mit.</P> <P>After specing to avoidance tanking it all just <EM>felt wrong - </EM>was almost like trying to play a different class - I know this sounds over the top, but everything just suddenly felt unfamiar - my HP would bounce up and down like someone turned my shaman into a 2nd druid.  And every now and then i'd go from 100%HP to 0% almost instantly and my healers couldn't tell me why.  I got really fed up with hearing "I really dunno, I blinked and you just... died..."</P> <P>Now back on wiz line and every +mit adornment i could get, raid buffed i do sit at about 70% mit.  Short term buffs take me up to somewhere aproaching 9k mitigatin - would have been silly amount pre EoF :smileysurprised: - which works out as like 72% or 73% or something now, which isn't bad - doesn't sound like a lot more, but that extra 3% is 10% less damage taken.</P> <P>And i'm much happier now - i feel like a guardian again rather than some half-[Removed for Content] monk (not that there's anything wrong with monks, but i wanted to a guardian, and gaurds make pretty bad monks anyway).</P> <P>Also remember that we don't often fight white con mobs (and when we do.. well, who cares - they're gonna die anyway), so you're always further down the curve with more gains to be had for each extra point of raw mit number than it looks like when you mouse over your mit.</P> <P>I haven't had to trash my avoidance <EM>too</EM> much either - both defence and parry are around 440 mark and i *think* (going from memory here and wasn't paying that much attention to avoidance when i was looking) that it was still around 60% when raid buffed.</P> <P>All i've really changed was getting lots of +mit adornments instead of +block, and ditching the str/int lines i was on to go onto agi/wiz.</P> <P>Been exprimenting with the agi end AA which isn't as bad as it seems if you make a macro to go with it that fills everyones raid chat window with "TIME OUT FOR 12 SECOND - STOP ALL DPS, GET WARDS AND DEBUFFS SORTED OUT"  :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Anyway, I'm sticking with mit from now on until i see a very good reason to change.  </P> <P>Message Edited by WolfShark on <SPAN class=date_text>01-16-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:38 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by WolfShark on <span class=date_text>01-16-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:23 PM</span>

[aislynn00]

<DIV>It is what I have been saying over and over again: mitigation is <EM>still</EM> better than avoidance skill bonuses.  The only kind of avoidance bonuses that are truly worth it are fixed percentage modifiers, such as +1% chance to block or +1% chance to riposte.</DIV>

[Schmalex23]

<blockquote><hr>Oneira wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ferunnia wrote:what level are you, oneira? gonna assume 70 though, or you'd not be so bothered. This makes me wonder if getting aa's on my guardian alt is worth it or if i should just retire her.<hr></blockquote>I'm 53 atm.  I get 119 mit from 4 points.  It's negligible even at my level.  I'm not putting anymore in there but instead am going for the final ability in the WIS, a good choice for a guardian on a pvp server IMO.</div><hr></blockquote>you do realise that it changes with charater level right? Even if you had all 8 points in there you still wouldnt have the 314 mit a lvl 70 would have.

[Oneira]

<div><blockquote><hr>Schmalex23 wrote:<blockquote><hr>Oneira wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ferunnia wrote:what level are you, oneira? gonna assume 70 though, or you'd not be so bothered. This makes me wonder if getting aa's on my guardian alt is worth it or if i should just retire her.<hr></blockquote>I'm 53 atm.  I get 119 mit from 4 points.  It's negligible even at my level.  I'm not putting anymore in there but instead am going for the final ability in the WIS, a good choice for a guardian on a pvp server IMO.</div><hr></blockquote>you do realise that it changes with charater level right? Even if you had all 8 points in there you still wouldnt have the 314 mit a lvl 70 would have.<hr></blockquote>Ya after thinking it over a bit I came to the conclusion that SOE must have adjusted it to a % like they said they were going to do.  So all is in order.</div>

[kagge]

<DIV>I was raiding before the patch but since then I dont raid anymore and respecced wis to agi. The only aa I really care about is the last agi one - 12 s total invunerability saved me countless times. This is the single best aa we get.</DIV>

[Raahl]

<P>I've got in at 8 ranks and I'm 65.  I think it's in the high 290's maybe low 300's.  Will check tonight.</P> <P>I've been considering doing a respec.  Currently I've got most of my points in Str/Wis with a few in Sta.</P>

[Raahl]

At level 65, 8 ranks get me 291 mitigation.