Bitter sweet?

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Thought you guys might be interested in a thread, im not one to stoop as low as the Brawler class did when Guardians went through the tough time they did after LU13 with them coming here and flaming everything Guardians were suggesting etc, but it might be worth taking a gander and offering some suggestions as they were all too happy to offer some for us Warriors.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=56283" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=56283</A></DIV>

[Gungo]

<DIV>haha yeah please do provide feedback as i have done my research quite well. There is another thread you can read right above that one that shows aoenin's ability to make superflous claims he can't back up. Or maybe you all remeber his last pursuit w me in the guards forums where he was caught lying to make additional claims he could not back up. Either or his persistant stalking of me is getting a bit scary.</DIV>

[FrostDragon]

<P>Thank you Aonein and thank you Gungo for the OP info.   It feels good to sit back and watch the other classes take a few below the belt for a change.    I am not going to flame a DEV/Test thread or the PJ boards.    Let us Guardians stick to our issues and hope the other classes leave us alone.    This  anti guard anypost that has been going on for 8 months now.   Let be nice to the poor other classes to show this time who has honor.</P> <P>Gungo nice work with that linked test op</P> <P> </P> <P>Retired Guard/Active dirge    never a raider</P>

[Bergmeister]

<div></div><p>My but some folks have thin skin.. I mean armor.  Lol..  You can thank the likes gaige, sniperkitty, and others for our underwhelming outflow of sympathy for brawler class nerfs within these guardian boards.  FD for fighters needs to be looked into by the Devs to.   It’s an unfair and overly abused ability that leaves chaos and dead bystanders in its wake when a few classes can train to anywhere the wish with no consequence to themselves.</p><div></div>

[Gungo]

Its not just fake death. My guidl guard can run to the bottom of sanctum to the walls in the gorg pit w/o dieing. What causes trains is the changes to unlocked encounters. When they made that change they made it so agro is generated otusdie fo group. For instance when someone runs by a group with a mob chasing them with only proximity agro. That mob will jump that otehr group which is in combat. It could be a buff casted or a heal an aoe whatever. Training in eq2 is not related to fake dead. Its part of the unlockign of encoutners that was put in several updates back. Put it this way the issue you are directly mentioning probably has to do with trains in sanctum. The funny thing is i don't even fake down to the bottom of sanctum anymore. I will just run straigth to the gorg pit. to get whomever in guild needs the updates there.<p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>05-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 PM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> <DIV>haha yeah please do provide feedback as i have done my research quite well. There is another thread you can read right above that one that shows aoenin's ability to make superflous claims he can't back up. Or maybe you all remeber his last pursuit w me in the guards forums where he was caught lying to make additional claims he could not back up. Either or his persistant stalking of me is getting a bit scary.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Paranoid much?

[Bergmeister]

<div></div><p>I’ll grant that inconsiderate players aren’t the exclusive domain of a particular class, feign death is just a “get-out-of-jail-free” insurance policy that I see quite a few folks abuse.<span>  </span>My major issue is game mechanics such as the above mentioned FD issue go ignored, mean while the “set of tools” each class is given gets re-interpreted and/or conjured out of thin air from LU to LU on certain classes. <span> </span>Some days when I log on it feels like I’ve come home from a long day of work to find some stranger has broken into my house, rearranged all my furniture, cleaned out my refrigerator, and stole some of my stuff.<span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span></p><p>Emiack lvl 70 Guard</p><p>p.s.Note to SoE Dev… <span> </span>YOU CAUSE A LOT OF HARD FEELINGS BY IGNORING THE PLAYERS AND SCREWING WITH THEIR TOONS. <span> </span>TRY CHANGING THE WORLD AND ITS MOBS MORE AND OUR TOONS LESS.  </p><span></span><div></div>

[Ladicav]

<P>I don't really follow EQ2 much anymore. It seems to be going through yet another metamorphosis with this LU24 I have just read about, and now I read through this thread also.</P> <P>It all just sounds surreal now. Develop classes over 2 years, then screw them up in one patch, once again. Reminds me of LU13 and what Guardians had to endure. Funny how things come full circle. To anyone who got the nerf bat, I find it hard to be sympathetic, because I remember Guardians got almost none, even down to a "we deserved it" attitude. Our pill to swallow was along the lines of shut the hell up and keep playing or quit. So I quit.</P> <P>Obviously now everyone else deserved their comeuppance also according to SOE. No other class should <EM>ever</EM> come to the Guardian boards crying about being nerfed, because I don't have a small enough violin to play for you.</P> <P>Either way, call me devils advocate, but those handful of "oh wow, look what I can solo!!" brawler threads have possibly come back to bite some people on the [Removed for Content] is my opinion. It sure attracted attention it seems.</P> <P>I'm sure it won't end here, either.</P> <P>Have fun playing the new EQ2, I know I'll be enjoying it, because I won't be there with you.</P><p>Message Edited by Ladicav on <span class=date_text>05-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 PM</span>

[Formerly Bbert]

Gungo, great job on your original post.  Well thought out, and admirable in your requesting changes that don't nerf the other classes.  Personally I would love to see more constructive threads like that on the Guardian boards.

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Formerly Bbert wrote:<BR> Gungo, great job on your original post.  Well thought out, and admirable in your requesting changes that don't nerf the other classes.  Personally I would love to see more constructive threads like that on the Guardian boards.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There used to be plenty, until they got drowned out.

[digitalblasphemy]

There were more than plenty even.  Hundreds of them if I recall.  Many many people left.  Some DEV's even responded on some of the more prolific posters goodbye threads.  After awhile it was clear we were hitting our heads against a brick wall.  Several months of constructive posts and not one reply from any DEV whatsoever accept one classic line, "we are looking into it".  Add to that the daily hijacking and incitments from certain brawlers and this place was hell.  Afterawhile, personally I stopped giving a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  The only reason I'm still playing this game is because of the Betrayal/Exhile quests.  Maybe then, this game will be fun to play again.<div></div>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> -Aonein- wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Formerly Bbert wrote:<BR> Gungo, great job on your original post.  Well thought out, and admirable in your requesting changes that don't nerf the other classes.  Personally I would love to see more constructive threads like that on the Guardian boards.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There used to be plenty, until they got drowned out.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>With any luck, it will get better.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[tashanin]

Great post, well done bud..We all saw this coming like a rain cloud...Now I can't say that I didn't get a cautious smile though, I just hope that the guardian community decides to take the high road and not seek a bit of retribution from the myriads of posts that we tried to make constructive and got drowed by others.  I do hope that everything works out in the long run for our leather wearing brothers.Gladius FrogitusGuardian of Divine AuraNajena Server<div></div>

[JudyJudy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bergmeister wrote:<BR> <P>I’ll grant that inconsiderate players aren’t the exclusive domain of a particular class, feign death is just a “get-out-of-jail-free” insurance policy that I see quite a few folks abuse.<SPAN>  </SPAN>My major issue is game mechanics such as the above mentioned FD issue go ignored, mean while the “set of tools” each class is given gets re-interpreted and/or conjured out of thin air from LU to LU on certain classes. <SPAN> </SPAN>Some days when I log on it feels like I’ve come home from a long day of work to find some stranger has broken into my house, rearranged all my furniture, cleaned out my refrigerator, and stole some of my stuff.<SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><BR></P> <P>Emiack lvl 70 Guard<BR></P> <P>p.s.<BR>Note to SoE Dev… <SPAN> </SPAN>YOU CAUSE A LOT OF HARD FEELINGS BY IGNORING THE PLAYERS AND SCREWING WITH THEIR TOONS. <SPAN> </SPAN>TRY CHANGING THE WORLD AND ITS MOBS MORE AND OUR TOONS LESS.  </P><SPAN></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><EM>There is no "FD issue".  You said it yourself, inconsiderate players are not the defining trait of a class.  While in SoS I've been trained more by non-brawlers than by brawlers, due to the fact that most brawlers on EF actually know how to play their class and avoid agro'ing others.</EM></P> <P><EM>I've seen LEGIONS of players zerg SoS to make it to lower levels laying waste to any groups in their way.</EM></P> <P><EM>Sounds to me that SOE needs to work on mob agro and sociability than nerf another class by taking a skill away.  Don't you think the nerf bat has swung enough?</EM><BR></P> <P><EM>Oh...  And most importantly:  Well written post Gungo.</EM></P><p>Message Edited by JudyJudy on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span>

[Bergmeister]

What you or I think doesn't realy matter.  Just ask soe.  Dont hold your breath as you wait for that response.  Refuting one's opionion with my own is a waist of time.  But if your enjoying playing your class, apparently your unbalancing the game.  Lol <div></div>

[Stonie]

<P>Muhrhrhrh... </P> <P>"stop whining" ... "play something else" ... those where the words from others, when LU13 hit us. Now you got the nerf bat and i am happy ! It seems there is some sort of justice even in everquest. </P> <P>If you dont like your class after lu24, maybe you should consider "playing something else" and ... "stop whining".</P> <P>The bad thing is, that only the bruisers will be hit from this LU, but if we are lucky the next LU will bring the monks down. </P> <P>Thumbs up for this LU DEVs.   </P>

[TheSummoned]

Next LU (or even this one) we will see a BIG nerf to the warrior DPS AA paths imo :p <div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<P>Wow I dont want to interfere with gungo and a's love affair but surely you can see where gungo is coming from ?</P> <P>2 Things really </P> <P>1) after LU13 guards were and remain the best tank in the game so hardly game breaking for them</P> <P>2) after LU19 brusiers are dead and buried , how can they justify so many nurfs ? they give us AA offensive abilitys then say oh hang on your doing to much dps now lets just screw you over .. plain sucks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and every guard that posts here knows it ... brusiers are getting hammered by monks so wheres the balance ? brusiers getting out tanked by everying down to a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] swashie whats the point in us being tanks when we cant tank ..</P> <P>btw check the sig ive rolled a guard to 56 atm and hes uber damage wise and defensively .. holding aggro is a piece of [Removed for Content] compared to brusier who have to work there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to keep it and any guard that wants to even go there just bring it on !</P> <P> </P>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Formerly Bbert wrote:<BR> Gungo, great job on your original post.  Well thought out, and admirable in your requesting changes that don't nerf the other classes.  Personally I would love to see more constructive threads like that on the Guardian boards.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thank god we have a reasonable person on the guard boards.  If more people like this posted, guardians wouldn't be looked at as cry babies.</P>

[Raahl]

I don't remember seeing "reasonable" in the guardian description.  :smileysurprised:

[Ruwen71]

<DIV>Just the fact that the upcoming Bruiser nerf is being discussed in this manner on this board shows how much the bickering between the two classes has hurt everyone.</DIV> <DIV><BR>During the whole LU13 fiasco Bruisers came to this board and defended the Guardian nerfs to the end. Several of them even had the audacity to blow off any constructive critism presented by Guardians in an attempt to minimize the damage done by LU13. But in the end when LU13 came out Bruisers got what they wanted... weaker MT's. I hope the Bruisers that were replaced by extra priests on raids have learned that maybe the Guardian nerf went to far.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Now the Bruiser nerf is coming and I see several Guardians returning the favor and relishing in the upcoming Bruiser nerf. In the end those Guardians will get what they want... Bruisers raiding with them who have lower DPS and less utility.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Guardians know better than any other class what it feels like when SoE swings the sledgehammer instead of the nerf bat and for any Guardian to be in support of it is highly hypocrytical. I know LU13 chopped Guardians off at there knees but now's the time to stand tall on the stumps that are left.</DIV>

[Raahl]

Well said Ruwen.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>Ruwen71 wrote:<div>Just the fact that the upcoming Bruiser nerf is being discussed in this manner on this board shows how much the bickering between the two classes has hurt everyone.</div> <div>During the whole LU13 fiasco Bruisers came to this board and defended the Guardian nerfs to the end. Several of them even had the audacity to blow off any constructive critism presented by Guardians in an attempt to minimize the damage done by LU13. But in the end when LU13 came out Bruisers got what they wanted... weaker MT's. I hope the Bruisers that were replaced by extra priests on raids have learned that maybe the Guardian nerf went to far.</div> <div>Now the Bruiser nerf is coming and I see several Guardians returning the favor and relishing in the upcoming Bruiser nerf. In the end those Guardians will get what they want... Bruisers raiding with them who have lower DPS and less utility.</div> <div>Guardians know better than any other class what it feels like when SoE swings the sledgehammer instead of the nerf bat and for any Guardian to be in support of it is highly hypocrytical. I know LU13 chopped Guardians off at there knees but now's the time to stand tall on the stumps that are left.</div><hr></blockquote>Well said! And to be honest, other tanks still can't reach for those stumps that you guys sit on in regards to tanking. I know FAR too well how hard SoE  can swing that nerf bat. Hell, the Creature Handler in SWG was swung at with the deletion axe. I was one and loved my pets to no end!<div></div>

[Wabit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSummoned wrote:<BR><BR><BR>I know FAR too well how hard SoE  can swing that nerf bat. Hell, the Creature Handler in SWG was swung at with the deletion axe. I was one and loved my pets to no end!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i miss my graul maulers (now those were tanks), and the lvl 50 kittys from endor (forget the name atm)...<BR>

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> TheSummoned wrote:I know FAR too well how hard SoE  can swing that nerf bat. Hell, the Creature Handler in SWG was swung at with the deletion axe. I was one and loved my pets to no end! <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>i miss my graul maulers (now those were tanks), and the lvl 50 kittys from endor (forget the name atm)...<hr></blockquote>I miss... all my pets /cry I had a rancor named Cookie and had set up a macro that did the pounding the floor trick (had to make him sit first lol) and I'd say:"No cookies for you!", then he'd do the peek-a-boo trick, would do it in Cnet and later on Dantooines Outpost after CC. Made for good laughs <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> From Endor, you mean Gurreks?! Those are dogs actually :p <div></div>

[Wabit]

<P>ayr the gurreks...  noway those were dogs...  there were plenty of real dog shaped mobs...  lok, dant, planet with geo lab...</P> <P>but endor was my fav place, best lookin zone in the game...  loota cool things pets for the taming...  think my second fav was tat (there was dragons to kill)...  hated lok...  still sad i never did get my giant peko =(</P>

[a6eaq]

All I have to say is GL Bruisers on getting any real attention paid to you guys to fix the "fixes" coming your way.  Just don't hold your breath!  Take it from us.

[Gungo]

<DIV>Actually 1 of my 3 issues has already been resolved when the made the fear and mezz on seperate timers again. My other issues i do not think they will change until well after it hits live. To the devs it becomes a wait and see approach for agro and tanking were it really only gets tested in live servers.</DIV>

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div> <p>ayr the gurreks...  <font color="#ffcc00">noway those were dogs</font>...  there were plenty of real dog shaped mobs...  lok, dant, planet with geo lab...</p> <p>but endor was my fav place, best lookin zone in the game...  loota cool things pets for the taming...  think my second fav was tat (there was dragons to kill)...  hated lok...  still sad i never did get my giant peko =(</p><hr></blockquote>Dunno, a lot of the Creature Handler community said they were dogs. But anyway, enough of the derailing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> My fav planet was Endor too! It had a lot of cool and powerful creatures, I especially liked the angler spiders called Arachnes. I really hated Dathomir, not cause of the layout, but cause of the Nightsisters! Ugh, lost a lot of swoops to them <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Though spent a lot of time on it searching for the Bull Rancor baby. Never got it...<div></div>

[Junaru]

The ironic part of this thread is you guys blame people like Gaige for your nerfs and then laugh at LU24 thinking you are getting some kind of revenge or something.. But LU24 hits Bruiser not Monks (aka:Gaige). Monks in some cases come out ahead with a new fear skill.I feel for the Bruiser as much as I felt for the Guardians. Nerfs just suck but if you get some sick fun out of another class getting nerfed atleast have enough knownledge to know what class you want nerfed. <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[Timzil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Junaru wrote:<BR>The ironic part of this thread is you guys blame people like Gaige for your nerfs and then laugh at LU24 thinking you are getting some kind of revenge or something.. But LU24 hits Bruiser not Monks (aka:Gaige). Monks in some cases come out ahead with a new fear skill.<BR><BR>I feel for the Bruiser as much as I felt for the Guardians. Nerfs just suck but if you get some sick fun out of another class getting nerfed atleast have enough knownledge to know what class you want nerfed. <SPAN>:smileysad:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm just happy to see Karma making it's comeback. You go, Karma!

[Gaige]

<P>I'm sure we'll see even more changes soon to how things like mitigation, avoidance and defense work.  Until then I'm just happy that it isn't so unbalanced that I can't do my job.</P> <P>I can.  Much better than I could preLU13.</P> <P>It isn't perfect, but its much better for everyone now then it ever used to be.</P>

[Junaru]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <p>I'm sure we'll see even more changes soon to how things like mitigation, avoidance and defense work.  Until then I'm just happy that it isn't so unbalanced that I can't do my job.</p> <p>I can.  Much better than I could preLU13.</p> <p>It isn't perfect, but its much better for everyone now then it ever used to be.</p><hr></blockquote>I agree.. This is the closest the tanks have ever been since EQ2 went live.</div>

[tashanin]

<div><blockquote><hr>Junaru wrote:The ironic part of this thread is you guys blame people like Gaige for your nerfs and then laugh at LU24 thinking you are getting some kind of revenge or something.. But LU24 hits Bruiser not Monks (aka:Gaige). Monks in some cases come out ahead with a new fear skill.I feel for the Bruiser as much as I felt for the Guardians. Nerfs just suck but if you get some sick fun out of another class getting nerfed atleast have enough knownledge to know what class you want nerfed. <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I know that some aren't taking the high road on this, but you have to give a bit to the reasoning behind it.  Both bruisers and monks took their shot as well as other classes, but all in all it's starting to work out.  We are all pretty even now, nothing is glaringly out of whack but you never know when the eye of sorrowmon ... err ... SOE will  turn it's gaze apon you and your class.  Mitigation, Defense, Avoidance, Blocking ... so many things that they COULD play with.  I'm sure that they will, but I'll take this breather as I can get it.I feel bad for the Bruisers that the gaze is on you guys and I hope that you all don't get the same treatment that we did during the era of LU13.~Gladius FrogitusGuardian of Divine AuraNajena Server </div>

[Wabit]

thought this was a thread about CHs in SWG...  lets stay on topic here...

[Danan]

-Aonein- The berserker that loves to stir up things between brawlers and guardians, mostly to hide the fact that he enjoys the dps of the brawler and the tanking ability of the guard.

[KeandraD]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<div></div> <p>btw check the sig ive rolled a guard to 56 atm and hes uber damage wise and defensively .. holding aggro is a piece of [Removed for Content] compared to brusier who have to work there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to keep it and any guard that wants to even go there just bring it on ! </p><hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote>That's what makes it so fun playing bruiser, we have to work our [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh, and btw, I've started a guardian too, need some slackin, too stressed out <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by KeandraD on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:02 AM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dananeb wrote:<BR> -Aonein- The berserker that loves to stir up things between brawlers and guardians, mostly to hide the fact that he enjoys the dps of the brawler and the tanking ability of the guard.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its funny you try to call me out on something i already openly express here in the Berserker forums, read some of my posts before making a fool of yourself.

[superdave]

<P>so much for bitter sweet. our stuns arent changing now. i dont get how people get off on wanting to nerf everybody's elses classes that they play. well maybe the karma slap ya back.</P> <P>What was the point of this thread anyway? sure wasnt infoming for sure.</P>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> superdave wrote:<BR> <P>so much for bitter sweet. our stuns arent changing now. i dont get how people get off on wanting to nerf everybody's elses classes that they play. well maybe the karma slap ya back.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>What was the point of this thread anyway?</FONT> sure wasnt infoming for sure.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>The point was being a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Everyone has a style of posting - and that's his. Always has been.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Anyway, I remember posting quite a few times about how I thought Guardians had been nerfed too hard after LU 13. Most of the responses I got were very hostile and depressingly familiar in tone to the 'Ha ha! Glad Bruisers got nerfed' posts on this thread.  Even then I don't remember too many Brawlers coming here and crowing about it. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Let me also add that Bruisers have already <EM>been</EM> nerfed a while back - possibly as a direct result of the ill-considered 'Ooh look what I can solo' posts that some of you are referring to. LU 24 is merely <EM>another</EM> nerf. In fact there hasn't been a single Live Update change that hasn't been a nerf to Bruisers in a long while.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Anyway, I guess I just don't really understand the mindset of people who like to see other classes nerfed.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Apart from Scouts in PvP.  <EM>They need nerfed!</EM> :smileywink:</FONT></P> <P><BR> </P>

[Gungo]

<DIV>Its so funny -aoenin- starts a thread to call me out on changes i feedbacked on test and to get gaurds to derail my thread. Then most people just end up thinking -aoenin- is a tool. Funny how karma works.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe sarumons eye should take a look at bezerkers DPS and tanking abilities. If any class has the best veratility i would say its zerks., but then again i think most fighters are relativly balanced. And i wish at this point SoE would leave all the fighters alone.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:15 AM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<P>Gungo, your a paranoid [Removed for Content], plain and simple. If you think i made this post as a personal stab at you Gungo, you truely are a [Removed for Content], i would of made this post reguardless who made it.</P> <P>As for the Bruiser changes being reverted, im glad they are.</P> <P>Good to see that there is one or two Devs that play the class constantly enough to see that the changes maybe broke the class somewhat a little too much before they went live and then your class remains that way for a series of months before being fixed.</P> <P>Pity i cant say that about other classes.</P><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>06-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:19 PM</span>

[Truxker]

<DIV>Locked, Op requested it.</DIV>