Eternal Broken Class

[Zodi]

<div>Hey fellow Guardians:</div><div>It seems funny that other classes complain and complain about their DPS, their solo, their buff, etc etc. We got the biggest nerf of all and since then we never recoverd from it. Yes at the beginign we fought and battle, but then with dignity we did the best we could to adapt to the changes.</div><div> </div><div>So not to stir the pot and congratulate everyone for playing the most cahllenged class of all</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Guitar_Guru]

We ain't broken.  We're just needing repairs <span>:smileytongue:</span>Still, we're a nice raid tank though. . .  And we DO get some of them nice intervention type things.  Gonna ding my guardian to 30 today though, so I dont know how it is end game. . .<div></div>

[Koilla]

<div>Its for sure very easy to start with complaints, and i need to say, after lu13, i complained about this and that too...</div><div>did it help? NO it didnt.</div><div> </div><div>would it make sense to give some suggestions to the devs, i fear it wont. there are still classes out there, who can solo MUCH better than we can, even if they are tanks and soe says any tank can do his job equally good in the game. i still doubt it, but thats still my 2cp</div><div> </div><div>so what shall guardians do these days? i was told about the possibility to switch to zerker in a few lu... but if i would have wanted a zerker, i would have rolled one.</div><div>seems someone is trying to get us nerfed out of the game. dunno why, cause i still think guardian is a great char to play. its just a little love i miss with this class.</div><div> </div><div>sure, any player wants to have the best gear, the most money, the best spells blabla, some get em, and some dont. the guardians dont get em.</div><div>even our armor gets nerfs as we can see at the Awakened Scalelord Armor pieces, but there is allready an existing thread about this.</div><div> </div><div>i will play my guardian further on, cause he needs to get finally 70 and maybe there comes the time, when</div><div>a) the guardians get back to where they belong</div><div>b) any other classes are nerfed, so that the guardians get back to where they belong</div><div> </div><div>i hope there is a developer out there, who plays what he develops and also plays a guardian to see that we need a bit of attention to come back in the game</div>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div>um ever play a coercer?</div><div> </div><div>soloing is like playing russian ruelette for them</div><div> </div><div>grouping well if you cant find a bard or illusionist and people are hurting badly on mana regen they are good. Mana drains their second ability has been broken sicne the games inception. charms are a weak attempt to give them a pet that likes to kill them. They dont even give as much dps to the group as illusinists or bards. they do have a hate buff for the tank. But why would u take a coercer instead of a dirge (hate buff) or troub (agro reducer for the rest of the group) they provide other benefits as well. and to finally kick em while they are down they made tons of Heroic in KoS immune to mezz/stuns/stifles so coercers are now getting regulated to solo only content.</div><div> </div><div>raid role - hate buff - but most dont prefer to place a coercer in mt group anymore its a spot better served by a conjuror/crusader imho. they good thing is raids in KoS now have 1 bajillion adds. bad news is illusinst aoe mezz better and no raid mobs are charmable (or they get fixed asap). furthermore they still havent gotten the 1 bajillion add mez yet. </div><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">04-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:24 AM</span></p>

[WardenOfDo]

<div></div><p>Ehhhhh ummmmmmmmmm I think it's safe to say that since KoS we have recovered QUITE a bit from the LU13 nerf.</p><p>OP you should post your level and class and more supporting evidence that we can shoot down, kthx.</p>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div>Hey fellow Guardians:</div><div>It seems funny that other classes complain and complain about their DPS, their solo, their buff, etc etc. We got the biggest nerf of all and since then we never recoverd from it. Yes at the beginign we fought and battle, but then with dignity we did the best we could to adapt to the changes.</div><div> </div><div>So not to stir the pot and congratulate everyone for playing the most cahllenged class of all</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Guardians are doin ok lately.. i say "ok" and its exactly that.. a number of small adjustments have made the class usable.. some of the adjustments were made to game mechancis.. some of them to peoples expectations and attitudes.</span></div>

[Koilla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><span><blockquote>Guardians are doin ok lately.. i say "ok" and its exactly that.. a number of small adjustments have made the class usable.. some of the adjustments were made to game mechancis.. some of them to peoples expectations and attitudes.</span></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>yup, the adjustments werer badyl needed, but still there´s a lot to do.... concerning masterspells. till now i did loot two ore more master 1 from any class but guardian. thats a thing to think about. when i check the broker, there´s never ever a guardian spell to sell, except Sustain (hyper useless spell atm). other classes are doing very well in mastering their skills, are there any guardian spells out there, or are we forced to stick with A3, if i ever find this grmlfx porous loam =)</div>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Koilla wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><span><blockquote>Guardians are doin ok lately.. i say "ok" and its exactly that.. a number of small adjustments have made the class usable.. some of the adjustments were made to game mechancis.. some of them to peoples expectations and attitudes.</blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote>yup, the adjustments werer badyl needed, but still there´s a lot to do.... concerning masterspells. till now i did loot two ore more master 1 from any class but guardian. thats a thing to think about. when i check the broker, there´s never ever a guardian spell to sell, except Sustain (hyper useless spell atm). other classes are doing very well in mastering their skills, are there any guardian spells out there, or are we forced to stick with A3, if i ever find this grmlfx porous loam =)</div><hr></blockquote>it could also be that any masters looted are being scribed.. though I havent seen a Guardian master come up in my guild in.. well.. ever.. not anything over T5 anyhow.  Reminds me of Rangers.. low drop rate for them too.</span></div>

[Gungo]

<div></div><div></div><p>naw i dont think its the drop rate oddly enuff as much as people say guards are still a hurting class they are still generally in the top 5 most played classes on most servers. So generally those spells are being bought and scribed fast. If your class is one of the top 5 played its going to e a pita getting any master spells at reasonable prices compared to other class lower on the scale.</p><p>this is from the crushbone server via eqcensus for lvl 20-70. Lvl 60-70 the numbers change but the positions are generally the same.</p><p>1) Wizard    24652) Paladin    24463) Guardian    22974) Templar    21685) Ranger    2159</p><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class="date_text">04-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:42 PM</span></p>

[Belce]

<div></div>For guardian, unlike a caster class, our ability to do well is not defined by all of our combat arts.  A caster with adept3 or master spells is imo the same as a guardian with a few master adept 3's and legendary armor.  As a guardian would you prefer to have a treasured bp and master hew or a fabled bp and adept 1 hew?  Outside of a few combat arts like taunt, and some of those are master 2 choices, our equipment takes a front seat for many. 

[Koilla]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Belce wrote:<div></div>For guardian, unlike a caster class, our ability to do well is not defined by all of our combat arts.  A caster with adept3 or master spells is imo the same as a guardian with a few master adept 3's and legendary armor.  As a guardian would you prefer to have a treasured bp and master hew or a fabled bp and adept 1 hew?  Outside of a few combat arts like taunt, and some of those are master 2 choices, our equipment takes a front seat for many. <hr></blockquote><p>as there is a thread about the cuirass of protection, which i own myself and the relic breastplate, which i own myself, i do prefer the legendary cuirass of protection and master 1 obliterate :smileytongue:</p><p>compared these two... cuirass provides 200 more mitigation and relic bp provides 200 more hp, as long as the relic bp isnt improved or i can cap the mitigation otherwise i will use the cuirass...</p><p>and belce, if you got the master1 hew, just mail it to me, i would appreciate it hrhr</p>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Belce wrote:<div></div>For guardian, unlike a caster class, our ability to do well is not defined by all of our combat arts.  A caster with adept3 or master spells is imo the same as a guardian with a few master adept 3's and legendary armor.  As a guardian would you prefer to have a treasured bp and master hew or a fabled bp and adept 1 hew?  Outside of a few combat arts like taunt, and some of those are master 2 choices, our equipment takes a front seat for many. <hr></blockquote>Thats a little of why i stopped raiding my ranger.. getting fabled armor doesnt do alot for a DPS class, a master spell does.. where as getting fabled armor does alot for the guardian.. master spells help, but its not as much of a noticable gain as it is with a fabled sheild/armor or weapon... and ALOT more fabled equipment drops that can be shared across classes than the specific masters.. i had never ever seen a Ranger master drop.</span></div>

[LokiHellsson]

Your class isn't broken. You are. No other class can absorb so much damage (Guardian Sphere, Tower of Stone, Intercede, etc...). If you don't like playing a lower DPS class, don't play Guardian, go play a Zerker or a Bruiser.

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:Your class isn't broken. You are. No other class can absorb so much damage (Guardian Sphere, Tower of Stone, Intercede, etc...). If you don't like playing a lower DPS class, don't play Guardian, go play a Zerker or a Bruiser.<hr></blockquote>Not only damage absorbtion.. but damage multiplication.. no other class can multiply the amount of damage themselves, and their group/raid as a whole takes.  The class of spells your referring too.. our intercepts and group protection spells (apart from TOS) actually INCREASE the amount of damage taken.. and that increase is on the unmitigated damage..a friend is rerolling his pally as a guardian.. we was very excited to get a spell that he can place on someone that has a 33% chance to intercept damage.. he takes 100%, the tartet only 33% .. he was excited until I told him to test it.. he soon realised he took 100% of the UNMITIGATED damage and the target 33%.. so he effectively buff'd the mobs damage by 33%.he promptly removed it from his tool bar as most guards do.so our uber absorption abilities are GS and TOS and they for the most part work ok (TOS especially, and GS only when stone skin procs otherwise you take an unmitigated hit) .. the intercept lines are broken and broken can be.last time i tested them anyhow.</span></div>

[Ivellious]

<div>aye, i'm a lvl 59 guaridan, the only dmg absorb spells i use is GS and ToS. i use GS because even if mob is only on me stoneskin is best, all healers love to take a little break from healing.  ToS is very good and bad. the ability to absorb 3 hits that do more then 10% of my life is completly awesome, but the ability to break my shield everytime i go into a dungeon sux big time.  i carry Crimson Rock Targe, and 2x pristine imbue ironwood tower shields.  if i'm in a bad group or so, i'll come back to town with 2 broken tower shields,  and now with the new test update i have to repair my tower shields more often since if i use tower of stone then switch to targe and die, i'll have to repair tower shield for absorbing dmg and for dieing with in 2 min of unequiping it. i have never used any single target dmg absorbs, seems to do more bad then good, true it can save a healers life, but if its a good healer, he'll live long enough for me to use reinforcement and get hate back, only time i see it useful is to put it on a crap puller that goes to take big blow from name, that way i don't die and neither does he, but thats what i got sentry watch for.  just my 2cp i've been playing this guardian since release, and won't go to zerker, i love the spells i get, i duo alot with an illusionist so i dont' do to bad xping, i think we have really good emergency hate and stoneskin to ever lose our spot at most wanted raid tank, i've tanked almost all x2-x3 mobs in t5 and just for guardian sphere alone i would want me as mt, i mean absorbing over 30k dmg from 1 epic is to good to be true, and if don't believe i have screenie of absorbing 10 hits from epic x3 that each one absorbed 3k each hit, true unmitigated, so i'd probly of taken half that regular, still 15k absorb is still better then nothing.</div><div> </div><div>And please other guardians, please read your skills, i've met so many other guardians 50+ that wanted to duel, i duel'd them and never got under 80% because i know how to use my skills to my advantage. you all gripe about not being able to solo, i can solo blue ^^^ if power permits, just learn to use the skills. i met a lvl 55 guardian that never used GS, said if he didn't group it was pointless, i had to point out to him that GS is used soloing for the stone skin, "every time you recieve dmg has a 50% chance to cast stone skin, absorb next attack" against any enemy especially one with dmg shield very useful, dont' forget it.</div><div> </div><div>well i've rambled enough, back to try to finish peacock quests for one hander, good hunting all!!!</div>

[Crim001]

<div></div>Well....I use the single target intercept when I'm OT in a nice group (meaning tank is good and usually 2 healers or one good healer). All I do is just throw it on him, and when I get a little low, I just take it off until I get healed a bit. It's just a little trick that me and the guild used to do (mainly healers and tanks) so that we could spread the damage out a little bit so healers could nuke. Not exactly efficient, but it gave it some purpose <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Belce]

<div>I agree Crim001, it can also be used to protect a caster and allow them to push damage up much sooner in a fight and maybe gain agro close to the end because of it. </div>