Where are the bucklers

[Dagothur]

<div>Ok fellow guardians that have invested in the STA aa line. Please lend me your ears. Acaually I would like you to link your bucklers that "work" for the buckler requirement.  I am interested in decent bucklers that are appropriate for a guardian levl 57+</div><div> </div><div>Why? Well I have the Shiny Brass Shield from the training is a shield HQ and although it looks like a buckler it is not.  So I went to the broker and purchased a shield that had "buckler" in the name and voila, able to use buckler reversal.  Now here's my problem: the buckler I purchased has only 200 or so protection while the SBS has over 800.  Why should I have to give up what I can use to use AA I want to use?  Please don't post saying wis line is better or str line is better, I have already decided to use the sta line and would like help finding a "good" buckler.</div><div> </div><div>SO... please tell me what shields work.  I have read other posts and have heard that sometimes the name of the shield can say tower or kite and it will still work.  Please help. I would like to buy a decent shield (ok buckler)  and want to make sure it will work b4 I have spent the $$ and attuned it.</div><div> </div><div>Thank you.</div><div> </div><div>Dago</div>

[Wabit]

<div></div><p>best bet is to look and see waht calsses can equip it...  if it says priest classes then its a buckler...</p><p>as for your SBS you probably got the kite shield version of it...  but none of the bucklers i've seen from below t7 have more than ~300 SF that i can think of</p>

[Dagothur]

<div></div><p>Thanks Wabit!  So let me see if I follow your logic:</p><p>Priest classes can only equip buckler shields.  If a shield says a priest class can equip it, then it is a buckler.</p><p>OK, but what about the other way: If it is a buckler, then can a priest equip it?  I mean, are there any bucklers made specifically for guardian/berzerker that only guards/zerks can equip?</p><p>On a side question: what does protection really do for you? I mean some shields say protection 1000 does that up your defence stats, avoidance starts, etc?</p><p>Dago</p>

[Wabit]

<div></div><p>protection is the block % the shield will give you...  the lower the number the lower the block chance...</p><p>tbh the only bucklers i've ever seen have always said priest, scout, fighter (cept brawlers) for being able to equip...  but don't hold me to that 100%, bucklers are something i never really noticed before...  to me its like seeing mage shoulders drop, not of any use so just gets a passing glance...</p>

[Koilla]

<div></div><div>i think there are some quests in pof which give a buckler as reward. try at the camp where the mender is. one of the guys will give you the quest to kill some gobbos if i remember right... looks like a square shield then. but due to stats its more a priest shield, i think, there is much wis and a bit str on this one</div><div> </div><div>never heard of bucklers specially designed for tanks, and i never had the idea to equip a buckler, due to the lack of protection. maybe there are some in kos included as questreward or drop, but havent seen one yet.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>wabit is right, if a shield is equipable to a priest, its a buckler =)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>will watch the drops with an open eye or two and if i get more info, i will come back and post it here</div>

[Dagothur]

<div></div><p>Thanks fellas.  You see there are two lines thinking when it comes to the guardian sta line aa: 1) complain to have the buckler restriction lifted because bucklers suck 2) Find a "good" guardian quality buckler.  The devs had to have a buckler in mind when they made the restriction for a guardian and berzerker. I mean come on, they can't be that foolish to make a requirement for something a class will never use. (If they did then that's just sick, while they are at it they could require templars to use a bow and arrow for an aa line) I am sure there are plenty of threads out there that are about the complaining end of the guardian stam aa line.  Perhaps if guardians found "good" bucklers then sharing said knowledge would allow others to find said buckler to use sta aa line.</p><p>Dago</p>

[aislynn00]

<div>Word of advice:  With the advent of KoS, the days in which priests could only use bucklers are over.  I have seen at least two priest-wearable shields which did <em>not</em> qualify as bucklers--or to paraphrase, they didn't work for me with the stamina line abilities.</div>

[aislynn00]

<div></div><div>One particular priest-wearable shield I am curious about is the one which drops in Halls of Fate off the hard-hitting named mob in the laboratory.  The healer in the group got first dibs both times it dropped thus far, so I haven't been able to test whether it works with the stamina line.  It does look like a buckler, though, unlike those other priest-wearable non-bucklers which have other appearances (e.g., round shield.)</div><p>Message Edited by aislynn00 on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:37 PM</span></p>

[Koilla]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dagothur80 wrote:<div></div><p>Thanks fellas.  You see there are two lines thinking when it comes to the guardian sta line aa: 1) complain to have the buckler restriction lifted because bucklers suck 2) Find a "good" guardian quality buckler.  The devs had to have a buckler in mind when they made the restriction for a guardian and berzerker. I mean come on, they can't be that foolish to make a requirement for something a class will never use. (If they did then that's just sick, while they are at it they could require templars to use a bow and arrow for an aa line)</p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#66ff66">Talk to any other class about their alternate achievments. e.g. defiler, need to max their STR-Line (if i remember right) to push up their pet abilities, because the pet seems to be badly needed if you want to play a defiler properly. Conjurers do get a non-pet-restricted heal!!! what should a conjurer need a heal for? healing the tank when the priest runs out of mana? only 2 examples how well thought the AA-points are.</font></p><p><font color="#66ff66">i think the background with the STA-Line for guardians is more or less the theme about the Roman Gladiator. Much hitpoints, wielding a shortsword and a light shield, so it has to be a buckler in EQ2, which makes it fairly a useless aa-line to me.</font></p><p><font color="#66ff66"></font> </p><p><font color="#66ff66">and with a buckler, u never will be able to use ToS, which i use nowadays more often on "normal endbosses" too</font></p><p></p>

[Meinen]

<div></div><p>this is the one that i used when i was going down the STA line. </p><p><img src="http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8141/buckler13rp.jpg"></p><p>Don't know what mob it drops off of...a guildie found it for me off the broker. </p>

[Koilla]

<div></div><p>nice stats Meinen, devinately a buckler designed for warrios, sure i´d like this baby if i go down the stamina line, thats true!</p>

[Finedo]

The ironplant sheilding drops off of Ironfang in PoAOne sheild i been ussing what is a guard/zerker only buckler is the Sheild of the Flapping Wing that drops off trash on the 2nd floor of ascent.stats on it is 25 str 10 sta 50 health 30 power 792 disease/mental 990 protection<div></div>

[Bhuhdiy]

<div></div><p>Got this one, don't remember where it dropped, and not sure if it qualifies as buckler.</p><p><img src="http://webpages.charter.net/buddy3/bulwark.JPG"></p>

[oldusrf]

<div></div>Bulwark of the brave is a roound shield that priests can use. i tried it with the sta line did not work

[Dagothur]

<div></div><p>Ok, so let me see if I got this understood (logic wise)</p><p>1. A guardian's stamina, aa line requires a buckler to be equipped in the secondary slot.</p><p>2. All buckler's are shields.</p><p>3. All shields are not bucklers. (kite, shield, tower, etc)</p><p>4. If the shield name contains "buckler", then the shield is a buckler, and the guardian can use the stamina aa line (like Buckler reversal and whatnot) I assume this to be so, if not, well that's just plain wrong)</p><p>5. Some bucklers do not contain "buckler" in the name, eg. Ironplate Shielding. (this makes searching for bucklers on the broker extremely difficult)</p><p>6. Some bucklers are not round, eg. Ironplate Shielding. (this makes it harder to identify bucklers)</p><p>7. Priests can use shields that are not buckler, eg. Bulwark of the Brave. (this makes the search for shields that priests can use not applicable)</p><p>Ok, so that's what I got sofar.  Ironplate Shielding, Shield of the Flapping Wing (looks like a descent shield by the stats, hope its affordable/attainable).  There has to be more out there that a guardian/zerker would like to use.</p><p>Perhaps the devs could put a searchable on the broker for buckler shields? (that would solve the entire problem)  Until that time, if you are a guardian that uses a buckler in the sta line can you add its name to the list (or link it)? especially if the word "buckler" is not in the name of the shield. Thanks!</p><p>Dagothur</p><p>57 guardian</p><p>Nektolus</p>

[Drulak]

<div></div>I heard that any shield could be used in the STA aa line now , or was i being totally lied too ?

[Wabit]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Drulak wrote:<div></div>I heard that any shield could be used in the STA aa line now , or was i being totally lied too ?<hr></blockquote><p>not on live...  i just speced it to see what it was like...  i love the dps boost, and the final box is pretty spiffy...  but with 8 points in the block (4.5%) and a 990 protection buckler, i have the exzact same avoidance as with the draconic deflector...  the parses are showing the hit/miss ratio while soloing...</p><p>i tried everything from 60^^^ to lvl 68^^^ the avoidance, the mobs died alot slower with the draconic shield (still dunno what that classifies as)...</p><p>um buckler reversal is a maintained buff now, you need a bucker to cast it...  not sure if it works with any shield equiped...  i'll check tonight when i play...</p>

[Dagothur]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Drulak wrote:<div></div>I heard that any shield could be used in the STA aa line now , or was i being totally lied too ?<hr></blockquote><p>not on live...  i just speced it to see what it was like...  i love the dps boost, and the final box is pretty spiffy...  but with 8 points in the block (4.5%) and a 990 protection buckler, i have the exzact same avoidance as with the draconic deflector...  the parses are showing the hit/miss ratio while soloing...</p><p>i tried everything from 60^^^ to lvl 68^^^ the avoidance, the mobs died alot slower with the draconic shield (still dunno what that classifies as)...</p><p>um buckler reversal is a maintained buff now, you need a bucker to cast it...  not sure if it works with any shield equiped...  i'll check tonight when i play...</p><hr></blockquote>Buckler reversal is a maintained buff and you do need a buckler to cast it.  I tried switching to the SBS after buckler reversal has been cast and althought the spell icon remains I did not complete any "buckler reversals".  It appears that the "buckler reversal" requires the buckler to be equipped in the secondary.  At least that has been my observation.

[Pexsus]

<div></div><p>Yeah, I have been on the sta line from, more or less, day 1.  After a brief forray into agi and int I came running back.</p><p>I can say for certain that you can only use bucklers for any of the abilities in this line to work, except for the terminal ability (the mana/health one).  The easiest way to see if something is a buckler is to check the graphic and the classes.  Most all bucklers have the small round graphic.  The one with the metallic "fins" are most often classified as Round shields and dont work with the line.  Also, a vast majority of the shields a priest can wear are classified as bucklers.  Both these rules have exceptions, naturally.  The easiest T7 buckler to get would likely be the ebony, which I have kicking around as a spare.  The absolute best T7 "fighter buckler" I have seen drops off the guy strapped to the table in Halls of Fate.  This actually has the icon of a kite shield but is a buckler.  Another really nice legendary buckler drops as a quest reward on the claymore timeline seires in sanctum of the scaleborn.</p><p>For any on the fence I have to give a glowing endorsement for the Sta line.  My DPS goes through the roof and when using Azjer'orz Guard my mitigation and avoidence are about the same as with Grizzfazzles tower shield.  The only real loss is Tower of Stone and for me that is mostly used on raids or the rare occasion when an encounter gets way out of hand.  Besides, I can always pop a tower shield back on in a pinch.  Pair up Sta with Str or Int and you have a nice kick to DPS without the loss of any real mitigation.</p><p>My $0.02</p><p> </p>

[Blakeavon]

<DIV>so let me get this right a guardian CANT use the guardian designed Training in a Shield item... in a guardian AA line *sigh*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its bad enough that the only line we can use Sword of Thunder, Ghoulbane AND Claymore is the INT line... the most useless stat for a guardian</DIV>

[Dagothur]

"The important thing is this: To be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become."  -<b>Charles DuBois<font size="3"><font size="2">Guess we shouldn't expect to get everything we want without having to give something up.Have any of you guardians found a decent buckler round level 59 or 60?Dagothur59 GuardianNektolus</font></font></b><div></div>

[Snikey]

They are adding item type to the item description too. Was discussed at the FF. Issue with unknown weapon type also.

[Snikey]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=68129#M68129" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=68129#M68129</A></DIV><p>Message Edited by Snikey on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:47 AM</span>

[Dagothur]

<div><blockquote><hr>Snikey wrote:<div></div> <div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=68129#M68129" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=68129#M68129</a></div><p>Message Edited by Snikey on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:47 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thanks Snikey... so looks like we wont have to guess at which shields are bucklers. That is very good news.  I will wait to spend what little $$ I have on shields until the bug is fixed to be certain I purchase a buckler.Dago</div>