Max HP?

[Waldo2]

<div>How high can you guys get your HP on raids? ( in a non [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] MT group)</div>

[JeffBship]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Waldo2k2 wrote:<div>How high can you guys get your HP on raids? ( in a non [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] MT group)</div><hr></blockquote><p>Ummm...  dunno.  If I'm not the MT then I may as well just put someone on follow, hit auto ranged, and take a nap.</p><p>To answer your question though...I really don't pay attention to max HP that much.  Mitigation and resists are where it's at.  If you're not in the MT group, then you shouldn't be getting much melee damage...so what you are concerned with is the AoE.  Figure out what the damage type is, and switch your gear around until you are at the resist cap for that damage type.  Then stand next to the mages in your group and hit guardian sphere just before the AoE.</p>

[Waldo2]

<div></div><div>no no no, I am the MT but what I am saying is what do you guys get your HP too now with a MT group ( and not just an HP group)</div>

[Axor]

<div></div><p>i got to 13600 the other day, with bolster.</p><p>I guess with a full MT group of 70s and some better gear than mine we will be able to hit 15k with bolster <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[TunaBoo]

You aren't MT jorc, you are a crappy dude in plate who lays dead the entire fight.<div></div>

[Waldo2]

<div><font color="#ff0000">"You aren't MT jorc, you are a crappy dude in plate who lays dead the entire fight."</font></div><div>Yeah tuna I do tank better dead then you do alive.</div><div>Why dont you do all us Guardains a favor and move to the necro boards, because you cant play a tank.</div>

[TunaBoo]

I can't? You are t3h l4m3<div></div>

[nig]

<div>With my not even full fabled gear, i was at 12 312 hp raid buffed without short term Hp buff</div>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>nigni wrote:<div>With my not even full fabled gear, i was at 12 312 hp raid buffed without short term Hp buff</div><hr></blockquote>That's kind of sucky eh, I broke 12,200 the other night and I'm just a monk.

[stelle]

i suspect its gonna get up to 15k on an ogre guardian  maybe high 14 with spikes into the 15k mark<div></div>

[JeffBship]

<div></div><p>Why do people focus on HP?  It only really matter a whole lot for damage spikes.  Over a longer fight, mit and avoidance and resists are probably more important.  And since you should expect to be capped in stamina for raids, your hp is more a function of the buffs from your healers.</p><p>That being said, I was at 14.5k yesterday raid buffed before I switched from solo gear to raid gear.  That was at level 68.</p>

[TunaBoo]

HP max is very important for a raid tank<div></div>

[Vellek]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>nigni wrote:<div>With my not even full fabled gear, i was at 12 312 hp raid buffed without short term Hp buff</div><hr></blockquote>That's kind of sucky eh, I broke 12,200 the other night and I'm just a monk.<hr></blockquote>Monks and bruisers have higher base health than guardians and berserkers. It isnt that surprising you have nearly the same health as him.

[FallenFeather]

Well Gaige have prolly gone for strength and agility  in AAs, gear and by picks when lvling.  Btw I had a one in guild that said monks should tank intead of plates in raids, now what the hell is that <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[TsunamiBlade]

<div>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is bolster? im lvl 62 and i can get mine to 12k.</div>

[Wado]

<span><blockquote><hr>JeffBship wrote:<div></div><p><font color="#ff0000">Why do people focus on HP?  It only really matter a whole lot for damage spikes. </font> Over a longer fight, mit and avoidance and resists are probably more important.  And since you should expect to be capped in stamina for raids, your hp is more a function of the buffs from your healers.</p><p>That being said, I was at 14.5k yesterday raid buffed before I switched from solo gear to raid gear.  That was at level 68.</p><hr></blockquote></span>Those high damage spikes are what usually kills the tank - not the mediocre damage dealt throughout the fight.<div></div>

[Sirrion77]

12k hp is plenty for the healers to keep you alive. Mitigation is an huge factor now to survive the mitigation debuffs.It's all about debuffed mitigation to be at 0 mitigation or 1000 mitigation. Mitig debuff + mob CA even with 2 healers curing non stop that can still happen.Cage you would be at 0 in that case <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but nice to see you have been lured by the HP boost that sony gave you so you can forget about your poor mitigation and broken avoidance =)<div></div>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirrion77 wrote:Cage you would be at 0 in that case <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but nice to see you have been lured by the HP boost that sony gave you so you can forget about your poor mitigation and broken avoidance =)<hr></blockquote><p>G not C.</p><p>Dibilitate isn't that bad if the mobs don't hit you.  Think what you want though, its okay with me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[juli]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>FallenFeather wrote:Well Gaige have prolly gone for strength and agility  in AAs, gear and by picks when lvling.  Btw I had a one in guild that said monks should tank intead of plates in raids, now what the hell is that <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>lol- as uber as Gaige is....monks are still paper tanks. (sorry hun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, I tell my uber bruiser the same thing and he agrees)  I always get to tank, and even though I can't cross the 10K mark for HP (well maybe I could but we haven't tried), my MIT is higher than a bruiser (almost 60%) so little touches me. It is a fine balance I think...If you don't have one then so long as you have the other you are ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>juliev wrote:<div></div>even though I can't cross the 10K mark for HP (well maybe I could but we haven't tried), my MIT is higher than a bruiser (almost 60%) so little touches me.<hr></blockquote><p>1)  10k HP is certainly low for a 70 guardian.</p><p>2)  60% mitigation has nothing to do with mobs touching you - it affects how hard they touch you after the fact.  Your avoidance is what factors you being hit or not.</p><p>As for monks/bruisers being capable raid tanks, I don't really see what the discussion is.  We are.  Been there, done that.  Just because some monks/bruisers can't doesn't mean the class can't.</p><p>/shrug</p>

[Wabit]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>juliev wrote:</p><p>lol- as uber as Gaige is....monks are still paper tanks. (sorry hun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, I tell my uber bruiser the same thing and he agrees)  I always get to tank, and even though I can't cross the 10K mark for HP (well maybe I could but we haven't tried), my MIT is higher than a bruiser (almost 60%) so little touches me. It is a fine balance I think...If you don't have one then so long as you have the other you are ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>i want brawler safefall for one of the dragons in ascent =(...  brawlers can tank the 70+ epics, but it seems alot harder on the healers...</p><p>less than 10k HP???  i hope you're not raiding t7 with that, well not counting spires (those need to be beefed up)...</p>

[juli]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>juliev wrote:</p><p>lol- as uber as Gaige is....monks are still paper tanks. (sorry hun <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, I tell my uber bruiser the same thing and he agrees)  I always get to tank, and even though I can't cross the 10K mark for HP (well maybe I could but we haven't tried), my MIT is higher than a bruiser (almost 60%) so little touches me. It is a fine balance I think...If you don't have one then so long as you have the other you are ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>i want brawler safefall for one of the dragons in ascent =(...  brawlers can tank the 70+ epics, but it seems alot harder on the healers...</p><p><strong>less than 10k HP???  i hope you're not raiding t7 with that, well not counting spires (those need to be beefed up)...</strong></p><hr></blockquote>lol Wabit, I'm an elf! The high MIT and 50% unbuffed avoidance go a long way to helping out...we haven't actually messed with the buffs to see if we can get over 10k but I am sure we can. I'll keep you posted <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr>juliev wrote:<p>lol Wabit, I'm an elf! The high MIT and 50% unbuffed avoidance go a long way to helping out...we haven't actually messed with the buffs to see if we can get over 10k but I am sure we can. I'll keep you posted <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>You realize I'm an elf also and I'm normally over 11k hp just in the utility/dps groups, and over 12k in the tank/offtank groups.  You should seriously go buy some stamina or something.  Trade your agility for it.  O_o

[mastersard]

<div></div>Yeah, but you get a bonus for being...i dunno...Gaige.  With a 'G.':smileywink:

[Ylis]

<blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div></div>Yeah, but you get a bonus for being...i dunno...Gaige. With a 'G.':smileywink:<hr></blockquote><font color="#99ffcc">I think you find he has a significant MIT bonus for being giggling Gaige <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>

[juli]

<div></div>hmm..that could be, I'll look but I generally don't have any problems...most of the time it says :miss miss miss:  What gets in under the wire is the the attacks the resists don't cover... but /bowing to your uberness I'll look into it Gaige <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sirrion77]

How many high end guild have brawler has primary MT? i don't know any their must be some mystical reasons.<div></div>

[Allowin]

so being a elf guard with 50% unbuffed avoidance is something big?i hate to tell you, but my barbarian guard is only lvl 64 and has T6 legendary (vanaduim/cobalt) and a few T6 fabeled (junk from roost and a little from courts) and has over 50% avoidance solo.<div></div>

[juli]

<div>Yes it is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and good for your Barbarian <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Sheodrath]

<div>u forget one of the most issues: the spell-upgrades of the hp/sta-buffers in your mt-group and the group setup. the gear of the mt is important, but only one piece of the puzzle.</div>

[EvilSqueak]

<div></div><div></div><div>Ok well i'm not in a raid guild, so not sure wht i can get up to in a proper main tank group, and i have no tier 7 fabled gear yet, but in a pickup i done the other day i had well over 11k health and my mitgation was up to just under 6k. in normal groups, depending on the level of the healers buffs, and if there is a temp or inq there i reach 10k easy.</div><div> </div><div>Just on a side note here, what kind of stats are you guys on solo?</div><div> </div><div>I have two choices, either i can got with 7067 health, with 4943 mitigation and about 55% avoidance</div><div>Or i can get 7800+ health, but with only 4567 mitigation and 57% avoidance.</div><div> </div><div>which off these combos would be the best in your opinions?</div><div> </div><div>Oh yeah also for 5 minutes and a one hour recast i can get 5% extra health</div><div> </div><div>I am a kerra <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> we are the best race <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Oh and stamina gear isnt neccesarily the most important, up until 510 staming its about 5 health per point, and after tht its about 2 per point, and in a MT group considering its easy to get over 600+</div><div> </div><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by EvilSqueak on <span class="date_text">04-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:23 AM</span></p>

[Timber13]

<P>Maybe abit off topic but I think it's rather funny <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Yesterday we pulled raid together for 3 princes, we have no mystic, you can look it up on EQ2 db for the names in the raid, there is NO mystic so no bolster crap.</P> <P>Monk 14k hp, guardian bit over 13k.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://users.pandora.be/damme/monk.JPG"></P>

[Crim001]

Pssst.....Monks are supposed to have higher HP <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Selce]

Lipi L'Newb strikes again, passing another kidney stone of 'wisdom'. <div></div>

[Daywo]

<DIV>14k HP Raid buffed</DIV> <DIV>Avoid is around 70 %</DIV> <DIV>Mitigation : 8k </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normal buffs only in tanking gear</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> : 8500ish HP (This is in tank gear, yes I could put lower mit items on to boost hp, but I am a tank)</DIV> <DIV>Mitigation: 5000 or about 68.4%</DIV> <DIV>Avoidance:  57%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am just a hair under the 80%  cap with 30 Sec buffs I hit around 79.3% which I can alternate through for effeciency</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Aaliamz]

<blockquote><hr>Daywolf wrote:<div>14k HP Raid buffed</div> <div>Avoid is around 70 %</div> <div>Mitigation : 8k </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Normal buffs only in tanking gear</div> <div> </div> <div> : 8500ish HP (This is in tank gear, yes I could put lower mit items on to boost hp, but I am a tank)</div> <div>Mitigation: 5000 or about 68.4%</div> <div>Avoidance:  57%</div> <div> </div> <div>I am just a hair under the 80%  cap with 30 Sec buffs I hit around 79.3% which I can alternate through for effeciency</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Those are some pretty uber stats Daywolf - what server are you on? Would like to see your gear in eq2players.<div></div>

[Zyxlin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timber13 wrote:<BR> <P>Maybe abit off topic but I think it's rather funny <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Yesterday we pulled raid together for 3 princes, we have no mystic, you can look it up on EQ2 db for the names in the raid, there is NO mystic so no bolster crap.</P> <P>Monk 14k hp, guardian bit over 13k.</P> <P><BR> </P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That monk wouldn't happen to be using the legendary shoulder claymore quest reward that boosts the wearers max HP by 5%, would he?  Thought one of those red buff icons under his name on your target window may have been one of them.  Also see a potion buff icon, is that a HP potion?  Regardless, still nice HP.</P> <P>Anyways, my turn.  This is without Bolster, without a HP potion, without the claymore shoulders, and with food/drink.  Healers in the group at the time were using all Adept 3 HP buffs with the exception of Gallantry which is M1.  With master everything it should be possible to get about 13.5-6k without Bolster for a Guardian, and even higher for a Monk/Bruiser (with a Guardian in the group)</P> <P><IMG src="http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3091/persona5wk.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: Depending on the order of buffs that affect max HP, if Bolster goes into effect last (meaning after potions, group buffs, food/drink, etc. instead of only increasing the target's unbuffed base HP) then with a M1 of Bolster, the total comes to 17,820 for someone at 13,500 raid buffed.  Pretty insane.</P><p>Message Edited by Zyxlin on <span class=date_text>04-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Hi guys.   I stumbled upon this thread....   I don't MT much for raids, but my solo HP, unbuffed, with no potions or food or anything is pretty high....</DIV> <DIV>  9,007</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> =)</DIV>

[mikster007]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Daywolf wrote:<div>14k HP Raid buffed</div> <div><b><font color="#ff0033">Avoid is around 70 %</font></b></div> <div><b><font color="#ff0033">Mitigation : 8k</font></b> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Normal buffs only in tanking gear</div> <div> </div> <div> : 8500ish HP (This is in tank gear, yes I could put lower mit items on to boost hp, but I am a tank)</div> <div>Mitigation: 5000 or about 68.4%</div> <div>Avoidance:  57%</div> <div> </div> <div>I am just a hair under the 80%  cap with 30 Sec buffs I hit around 79.3% which I can alternate through for effeciency</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>8k Mitigation? With your own short time buffs or?Can you show us a picture with this stats an the current running buffs?My solo stats with "normal" (all T7 Fabled or legendary) gear are 8700 Hp, 75% miti and 63% Avoid (without short buffs).In a raid-MT-group i have 6200-6300 mitigation without short buffs. an you 8000 ?  I cant believe that.. What gear you have?Because of your lower solo stats, you equip can`t be better then my and for that reason i am interested how you get 8k miti without short buffs in MT-group.(sry for my bad english <span>:smileywink:</span> )</div><p>Message Edited by mikster007 on <span class=date_text>06-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:31 AM</span>

[Aaeamyen]

15.7k 8777ac Raid buffed.

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aaeamyen wrote:<div></div>15.7k 8777ac Raid buffed.<hr></blockquote>you might wanna expound on that a bit... MT group makeup, pic of your persona page? .. what potions you using ?.. short term buffs up (obviously) ..</div>

[Aaeamyen]

<DIV> MT group makeup, pic of your persona page? .. what potions you using ?.. short term buffs up (obviously) ..<BR></DIV> <DIV>Fury, defiler, templar</DIV> <DIV>Conjuror</DIV> <DIV>Dirge</DIV> <DIV>me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>240mit potion.</DIV> <DIV>66 agitily potion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes short term buffs were (Bolster, HA, Command) once command went off (WoF was cast)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Short term buffs arent a very good example of how high your HPs can go or how high your mitigation can go.  Any guardian can boost their mitigation up 1500 with 2 30 second buffs...but then another minute and a half without them.  </P> <P>I have 3 peices of DT plate (including current black lotus), rest relic and an upgraded shoulder from labs over the relic shoulders.  I have all mitigation jewelry from claymore, plus a 150mitigation to all attacks sheild, and 2 upgraded mitigation jewelries from HoS.  Standing raid buffed with no conj(since I feel its a waste of a MT spot) I stand about 6400-6500 mitigation with about 12-13k hitpoints.  I cant imagine there are many better equipped Guardians out there, and I also have all my skills at master1, short term HP buffs and mitigation buffs can reach the stratus sphere and you could also includes furies 2k additional buffs, but I think the OP was asking for standing HPs and Miti, not for whats possible short term.</P>

[Finedo]

between 12- 13k hp 7k-7.5k mit raid buffed (with potions,food,drink) no short term buffs <div></div>

[Zodi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nigni wrote:<BR> <DIV>With my not even full fabled gear, i was at 12 312 hp raid buffed without short term Hp buff</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's kind of sucky eh, I broke 12,200 the other night and I'm just a monk.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Correction Gaige, you are a trash talking person with nothing else to do than browse thru the guardian forums looking for an honest guardian like this one and then try humiliate him by saying his HPS sucks and you are JUST monk who has almost the same hps as him.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Zodian wrote: <P>Correction Gaige, you are a trash talking person with nothing else to do than browse thru the guardian forums looking for an honest guardian like this one and then try humiliate him by saying his HPS sucks and you are JUST monk who has almost the same hps as him.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Are you saying I should be a WWE wrestler!<BR>

[Crim001]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zodian wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nigni wrote:<BR> <DIV>With my not even full fabled gear, i was at 12 312 hp raid buffed without short term Hp buff</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's kind of sucky eh, I broke 12,200 the other night and I'm just a monk.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Correction Gaige, you are a trash talking person with nothing else to do than browse thru the guardian forums looking for an honest guardian like this one and then try humiliate him by saying his HPS sucks and you are JUST monk who has almost the same hps as him.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Try not falling for the flame bait then...</P> <P>And he does have a point, he just did it in a way to tick you guys off.</P> <P>The devs said that Brawlers were to have the largest health pool, but lowest health pool, crusaders would have the largest power pool but lowest health pool, with warriors being in the middle. I'm not sure if this has changed at all, but either way, an argument over who has more hp then who is pretty pointless. </P>

[rickfrey29726]

<div><blockquote><hr>Timber13 wrote:<div></div> <p>Maybe abit off topic but I think it's rather funny <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>Yesterday we pulled raid together for 3 princes, we have no mystic, you can look it up on EQ2 db for the names in the raid, there is NO mystic so no bolster crap.i </p> <p>Monk 14k hp, guardian bit over 13k.</p> <hr></blockquote>i cant beleive you just called bolster crap.. you are ignorant</div>

[Quicksilver74]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crim001 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The devs said that Brawlers were to have the largest health pool, but lowest health pool, crusaders would have the largest power pool but lowest health pool, with warriors being in the middle. I'm not sure if this has changed at all, but either way, an argument over who has more hp then who is pretty pointless.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah brawlers do for sure.  Although alot of plate armor has slightly better STA and HP, I think brawlers can get the highest HP in game unbuffed, do to so many HP bonus's.   As an ogre I get natural extra STA and 3% HP increase from racial traditions, plus another 5% from choosing max HP suring level up choices, and for awhiel I had another 4% max HP from AA's (Wisdom Line).   all these choices, plus my best HP gear put me up to 9,027 at my highest point solo and unbuffed.   (No food or drink or anything)</P> <P>   I have since respecced, and no longer have the extra 4%,  and in normal dps gear I'll typically be around 8,200.  I am envious of guardians and their nice group HP buff.... it's very sweet. </P>

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>Some people are outright lying about their mitigation.  Healers add 700 mitigation with the master buff, crusaders ~350 and conjs around 300.  You'd have to have both in your MT group and even then it would be impossible to hit 8k mitigation.  You'd have to self buff 6800 mitigation which is impossible.</P> <P>I thought the discussion was with no short term buffs wasn't it so I don't see how someone can boast 8k mitigation.</P>

[pungie0]

I was curious about some of the numbers posted in here as well, so I thought I would see what would be obtainable without short term buffs. I put together a list of the gear with the highest mitigation that I know of in tier 7. Please note I've limited this to tier 7 so stuff like the shimmering ember ring with +300ish vs slash and the cold forged shoulders with +700ish vs crushing won't be on here. If anyone knows of gear with higher phsycial mitigation, please feel free to correct me. This also leaves room for 1 more bracelet, I don't know of another bracelet besides the collection quest one that has mitigation on it, someone chime in if they do. Here's the list:Ichor Filled Thorax: 613 baseCuriass of Protection: 536 base, +138 vs slash/crush/pierceDoomrage Spaulders: 509 base, +142 vs slash/crush/pierceReticulated Dragonscale Vambraces: 581 base, +144 vs slashVitrified Dragonscale Gauntlets: 564 baseDragon Bone Leggings: 570 base, +72 vs slash/pierceWingblade Sabatons: 564 baseDraconic Deflector: +146 vs slash/crush/pierceFitzpitzle's Earcog: +146 vs slash/crush/pierceBand of the Cause: +142 vs slash/crush/pierceLight Chitin Ring: +136 vs slash/crush/pierceAviak-Feather Charm: +65 vs slash/crush/pierceDragonscale Sash: +142 vs slash/crush/pierceBase total: 3937+ vs slashing: 1273+ vs crush: 1057+ vs pierce: 1129The master 1 defensive stance adds 464 for warriors. Going down the wis achievement line you can get unshakeable rank 8 and gain 314 mitigation.- Base + defensive stance + unshakeable: 4715- Base + defensive stance + unshakeable + vs slashing:  5988- Base + defensive stance + unshakeable + vs crush: 5772- Base + defensive stance + unshakeable+ vs pierce: 5844Based on what I've seen in my persona window, what will be displayed simply as mitigation will be your highest vs a single type of damage. So the highest would +vs slashing at 5988.You can also get a +3% vs a certain damage type as a character trait type thing, but I don't know how that would factor into the raw mitigation number. If anyone knows, please feel free to share.<div></div>

[Docimodo]

<DIV>Qadiras bangle. new reward from Shimmering citadel access Q. grey at 70 however but its a wrist slot with 52 mit v all physical 600 to heat/magic and +10 agi/sta (iirc)</DIV>