I want to move to the fantasy land that MG lives in

[jreed]

Hey  MG, can you please tell me how to get to the fantasy land you live at where money grows on trees and Guardians are perfectly ballanced with other figther classes?NM, not like you would actually respond to a Guardain anyways, you have not before I think it would be a stretch for you to do so now.I wonder if that person who did the brusier / guardian DPS parse lives there with you....do you 2 have an extra room i can live in with you?  Im very clean and pay my bills on time.Instead of running your calculators and making these pretty pie charts that justify idiocy perhaps you 2 should actually PLAY a Guardian and tell me how that BS yarn youve been spitting out holds up?Agro- same or worse then other fightersDPS- THE WORST ..not even close ( i dont give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] how many graphs you put up a guardian NEVER parses with a  bruiser even if the brusier is dead for 3/4 of the fightMitigaion - same or SLIGHTLY better then othersUnique qualities others dont have that are actually useful - ZeroSoloability - HORRRRRIFFFFICFun factor - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAHAHAHAWell the good news for you is you wont have to fix the Guardian class (not that you were going to judging by your totall lack of giving a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about us so far) ...because everyone will be betraying to zerkers...Well done, but please let me know on that avaialbility to join you in LA-LA Land<div></div>

[Ryan]

<div></div>Making a post like this is really going to help in some way? You offer nothing but mindless complaints. At least that person who used a parser and did some research can justifiably bring up constructive criticisms.Don't tell me you wanted to be a character with high DPS and soloability and you picked a Guardian?<div></div><p>Message Edited by RyanSN on <span class="date_text">02-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:44 PM</span></p>

[mastersard]

<div></div><p>Not that i agree with the method, but we all can relate to the madness.</p><p>If SOE had come thru on the "Balance" promise, there'd be no problems.</p><p>(And no communication from Devs makes it worse)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>p.s. MG <em>did</em> post a comment for Guardians.  Don't you remember the "Unsung Hero" post?</p>

[Crim001]

<div></div><p>First of all, those charts, graphs and parses showed that bruiser and guard CAs are equal every 30 secs. Don't go blowing your lid over something you didn't fully understand.</p><p>Second, it's posts like this that others will use to flame, and criticize guards in general. Past this I don't think anyone should have to reply to this. IMO this post needs a lock.</p>

[Wasuna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>RyanSN wrote:<div></div>Making a post like this is really going to help in some way? You offer nothing but mindless complaints. At least that person who used a parser and did some research can justifiably bring up constructive criticisms.Don't tell me you wanted to be a character with high DPS and soloability and you picked a Guardian?<div></div><p>Message Edited by RyanSN on <span class="date_text">02-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:44 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>You didn't parse anything to prove or disprove your point of view and therefore anything you have to say can be ignored.</p><p> </p><p>PS: How many months do we have to post constructive criticism before we have the right to start getting upset? I could just leave the game but then all the money and time I invested in the game before LU13 (including all my friends time and money that I always play with) would be wasted. I'm sure the User Agreement claims all kinds of things about how it's all my fault but that doesn't make it right, just legal.</p>

[Ryan]

I didn't go throwing around insults or calling out certain people. All I said was that the person who took the time to dig for the data and evidence is doing more for us then this new thread is.I don't recall stating any where parsing was a must to be taken seriously. I think I mention research was a valuable tool and much better then://////Unique qualities others dont have that are actually useful - ZeroSoloability - HORRRRRIFFFFICFun factor - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAHAHAHA/////Thanks.<div></div>

[jreed]

First of all....there is absolutely no point in making another constructive posts because the devs dont give any more a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about us guardians then they do about carpenters (WHERES THE T6 RECIPES? ooo anotherthing you lied / forgot about..and refuse to comment on)There have been 252454 posts about how screwed up Guardians are since LU13 ...they arent responding or doing a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing to fix it so in the immortal words of that guy  IM AS MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!  The person who did the dps comparaision im assuming was joking because if he actually beleives taht using ANY math equates to guardians comming anywere near to even 1/2 brusier DPS in any circumstance hes high and theres nothing else to argue on thatNO i dont want to have higher dps necessarily but I do want our class to be [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing useful again and have some uniqueness that no one else has and be FUN AGAIN...Nuff said<div></div>

[Crim001]

<div></div><p>First.....If you don't like guards, might as well make a new main.</p><p>Second.....If you don't want to do that, and you don't want to wait for guards to get fixed, cancel your subscription.</p><p>'Nuff said....kicking and screaming ain't going to do anything. If we keep posting constructive posts then everyone will know that SoE has a crappy customer service.....and that isn't good for business /cough /cough</p>

[Moontayle]

I'm happy with my Guardian.<div></div>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<div></div><p>Best post....ever.  Makes me proud to post on the guardian forums, as well as play one.</p><p>Thank you, your message has touched my heart.</p>

[Rodney]

<div></div><p>If you really played a Guardian, I mean really played one then you would know there have been changes to our class and one was very nice.  They are working on guards but I think for ONCE they may be going about it slow and not using a cannon.</p>

[mastersard]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rodney wrote:<div></div><p>If you really played a Guardian, I mean really played one then you would know there have been changes to our class and one was very nice.  They are working on guards but I think for ONCE they may be going about it slow and not using a cannon.</p><hr></blockquote>i highly doubt it.  SOE fixes everything with a hammer.

[Wasuna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Moontayle wrote:I'm happy with my Guardian.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I'm happy with my Guardian also. When I tank that is. When I'm not tanking the Guardian as a class sucks. To bad none of the other fighter classes can say that. It must be becasue I have a head and shoulders advantage at something... ummm. *keeps looking*</p><p>I really like people being positive but comments that say or imply there is noting wrong with the Guardian class burn me up. You don't play the same game I do.</p>

[Wasuna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rodney wrote:<div></div><p>If you really played a Guardian, I mean really played one then you would know there have been changes to our class and one was very nice.  They are working on guards but I think for ONCE they may be going about it slow and not using a cannon.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Changes to our class to remove negative effects like the root/snare on our HTL series that should never have been in the spell at all after LU13 do not count. Taking food away from me for a month then giving me boiled sock broth and saying your helping me out doesn't make me feel better about you.</p><p>I want to have a role outside of tanking. I have givien up on being the best hands down tank so I want what every other fighter has, DPS and utility.</p>

[jreed]

<span><blockquote><hr>Wasuna wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rodney wrote:<div></div><p>If you really played a Guardian, I mean really played one then you would know there have been changes to our class and one was very nice.  They are working on guards but I think for ONCE they may be going about it slow and not using a cannon.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Changes to our class to remove negative effects like the root/snare on our HTL series that should never have been in the spell at all after LU13 do not count. Taking food away from me for a month then giving me boiled sock broth and saying your helping me out doesn't make me feel better about you.</p><p>I want to have a role outside of tanking. I have givien up on being the best hands down tank so I want what every other fighter has, DPS and utility.</p><hr></blockquote>EXACTLY! ....please don not post here that there is nothing wrong with us and you love our class because you clearly don't play a Guardian or you should see pat sajack about buying a clue for $100.I'm not  preaching NERF the other fighter classes, hell i am happy for them.  JUST GIVE US WHAT THEY GOT!!!!!If I am not going to be the HANDS DOWN BEST MT, .....fine (not really since thats what i thought i was playing a guardian for in the first [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing place...but ok ill deal with it) ....Give us something else to do when not main tanking.For those of you who are saying we are fine please list for me 3 really usefull things we bring to a group that another class does not do. and tell me why any group / raid in their right [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing mind would pick us over a number of other classes.1.2.3.I await your retarted responses</span><div></div>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:<span><blockquote>For those of you who are saying we are fine please list for me 3 really usefull things we bring to a group that another class does not do. and tell me why any group / raid in their right [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing mind would pick us over a number of other classes.1.2.3.I await your retarted responses</span></blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>This makes no sense though.  I thought that all classes have an ability that other classes can do also.  Group invis, mez, mana regen, healing, all are abilities that many classes can do.</p><p>Soo, if you want an ability, maybe evac would fit out description of protector?  We are technically protecting our group when we use it.  I'm just not sure what you are looking for here.</p><p>Not saying we are fine, just saying no class has a unique ability that the group can do without.</p>

[Shizzirri]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Wasuna wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rodney wrote:<div></div><p>If you really played a Guardian, I mean really played one then you would know there have been changes to our class and one was very nice.  They are working on guards but I think for ONCE they may be going about it slow and not using a cannon.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Changes to our class to remove negative effects like the root/snare on our HTL series that should never have been in the spell at all after LU13 do not count. Taking food away from me for a month then giving me boiled sock broth and saying your helping me out doesn't make me feel better about you.</p><p>I want to have a role outside of tanking. I have givien up on being the best hands down tank so I want what every other fighter has, DPS and utility.</p><hr></blockquote>EXACTLY! ....please don not post here that there is nothing wrong with us and you love our class because you clearly don't play a Guardian or you should see pat sajack about buying a clue for $100.I'm not  preaching NERF the other fighter classes, hell i am happy for them.  JUST GIVE US WHAT THEY GOT!!!!!If I am not going to be the HANDS DOWN BEST MT, .....fine (not really since thats what i thought i was playing a guardian for in the first [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing place...but ok ill deal with it) ....Give us something else to do when not main tanking.For those of you who are saying we are fine please list for me 3 really usefull things we bring to a group that another class does not do. and tell me why any group / raid in their right [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing mind would pick us over a number of other classes.<font color="#ff0099">1.  giggle our offensive stance (level 58 master 1) gives us 144 strength which equals out to about a 10% increase in the dps on our special attacks - think blast went from 664-1084 to 751 - 1190 or some nonsense this was a master 1 blast to btw if you actually care but other fighter classes get hastes, counter attacks so on with their stance, this is uber and will mean a lot to your group/raid, at least we can use it for carrying 50 or so bank boxes</font><font color="#ff6600">2.  We make things explode like tower shields and our own hearts, this is good for a laugh every now and then.</font><font color="#99ff33">3.  Well I had something but I forgot, seriously it had to do with protection buffs, oh wait those suck nm I'm rerolling and making my druid my main</font>I await your retarted responses</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Added colors in an effort to make the post more positive

[jreed]

NO, your missing my point.My point is if you play a Guardain and you are not the main tank...[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] exactly do you do and why would anyone want you in the group?lets take a look at the other fighter classes they can MT as well as us and when not MT they can:SK - DPS and a million other things amazingly usefulMonk - insane DPS and quite a few other nice thingsPaladins - heal and a ton of other useful spellsZerkers - INSANE dps that beats many scout classes and a ton of other thingsGuardains- ummm NADA<div></div>

[Krooner]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:NO, your missing my point.My point is if you play a Guardain and you are not the main tank...[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] exactly do you do and why would anyone want you in the group?lets take a look at the other fighter classes they can MT as well as us and when not MT they can:SK - DPS and a million other things amazingly usefulMonk - insane DPS and quite a few other nice thingsPaladins - heal and a ton of other useful spellsZerkers - INSANE dps that beats many scout classes and a ton of other thingsGuardains- ummm NADA<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Guardains- <strike>ummm NADA  </strike>  BUFF BOTS.. give me that extra 500 HP and go stand in the corner till I need you to kill yourself with an intercept.</p><p>NOPE Dont think thats what right.  Im just pre-empting that troll out there to take some wind out of their sails</p><p>Message Edited by Warbird1 on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:13 PM</span></p>

[Moontayle]

Being happy with a Guardian isn't the same as thinking we don't have any issues. I just don't let the issues (which you can read about everywhere in this forum) cloud my enjoyment for both the game and my class.<div></div>

[jreed]

The real problem is being in a raid guild where we have an awesome Zerker MT for most engagements I feel like the fat kid in grade school waiting to be picked for the kickball team.   Whats worse is when we have more then a full raid online and decisons who needs to sit out.Oprah says to the guild:YOU get a group clericYOU get a group monkYOU get a group druidyou dont get a group you worthless [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fat kid guardianYOU get a group scoutDUDE seriously the litmus test is this......when DRUID > GUARDIAN   ....EVER!......SOE done screwed the pooch<div></div>

[mastersard]

<div></div>lol, funny.  True, but funny.

[jreed]

<span><blockquote><hr>SkarlSpeedbump wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:<span><blockquote>For those of you who are saying we are fine please list for me 3 really usefull things we bring to a group that another class does not do. and tell me why any group / raid in their right [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing mind would pick us over a number of other classes.1.2.3.I await your retarted responses</blockquote><div></div><hr></span></blockquote><p>This makes no sense though.  I thought that all classes have an ability that other classes can do also.  Group invis, mez, mana regen, healing, all are abilities that many classes can do.</p><p>Soo, if you want an ability, maybe evac would fit out description of protector?  We are technically protecting our group when we use it.  I'm just not sure what you are looking for here.</p><p><font color="#ff0033">Not saying we are fine, just saying no class has a unique ability that the group can do without.</font></p><hr></blockquote>Ok ill start out the list...you other people can help me out hereWardsLarge healsDebuffsCuresDPSMezCrackim sure i missed some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] but you get the point...yes there is more then 1 class that can DPS more then one that has large healsFINE give us something TRULY useful then that we can do whtn not main tanking.. thats what i meant by unique.</span><div></div>

[Shizzirri]

<div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>SkarlSpeedbump wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>jreed wrote:<span><blockquote>For those of you who are saying we are fine please list for me 3 really usefull things we bring to a group that another class does not do. and tell me why any group / raid in their right [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing mind would pick us over a number of other classes.1.2.3.I await your retarted responses</blockquote><div></div><hr></span></blockquote><p>This makes no sense though.  I thought that all classes have an ability that other classes can do also.  Group invis, mez, mana regen, healing, all are abilities that many classes can do.</p><p>Soo, if you want an ability, maybe evac would fit out description of protector?  We are technically protecting our group when we use it.  I'm just not sure what you are looking for here.</p><p><font color="#ff0033">Not saying we are fine, just saying no class has a unique ability that the group can do without.</font></p><hr></blockquote>Ok ill start out the list...you other people can help me out hereWardsLarge healsDebuffsCuresDPSMezCrackim sure i missed some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] but you get the point...yes there is more then 1 class that can DPS more then one that has large healsFINE give us something TRULY useful then that we can do whtn not main tanking.. thats what i meant by unique.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>You guardians seriously want to raise your parse and dps, seriously all you have to do is this:</div><div> </div><div>/tell necromancers and conjurers: Hi, can you do me a favor and type /petname "Yournamerhere"</div><div> </div><div>Then watch your parse go up and be amazed</div>

[Quasimm]

<div>Pretty easy to see this thread is going nowhere fast.  Please refrain from flame wars on these forums, thanks.</div>