Stop fighting the little battles and let's worry about the overall picture...

[minionofdeath]

<div></div><div></div>To many times a person's post concerning ideas/thoughts etc. about our Guardian class end up in flaming matches.  If we have any chance or hope of getting through to the SOE Devs, don't get sidetracked by the people who come to these forums looking for a fight.  Most people of this kind have nothing of any importance to add anyway, so why take up the bait and try to correct them?  Ignore them and focus on what we need to do.For me the single biggest things that killed my enjoyment and ultimately participation in this game are the following:- A role outside of tanking (what we bring to a group or raid).- Our DPS compared to other fighter classes not equaling the tanking "equality".- Power usage and effectiveness of our taunts.Just about every concern many people have fall into these categories.  Forget the flame baiters, trolls and other people who have never played a Guardian coming in here and telling us what they think.  I know it's not easy, and I find myself quite often wanting to post a reply to some topics.  But the end result is the topic get's derailed, locked, and the message forgotten.  We know what is going on with our class from personal experience and don't need to be pulled into these insane matches of trying to correct misinformed people.Focus on what needs to be done and the message we need to get across.  <div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by minionofdeath on <span class=date_text>01-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 AM</span>

[Tro]

<DIV>Here Here.. /agree..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to add,, Get rid of ALL resisted taunts for ALL fighers across the board. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Trook on <span class=date_text>01-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:20 AM</span>

[Kain Hammersmith]

I agree with you minion. Guards need to have a role outside of MT if they are to be used in groups or raids with plenty of other tanks running around. My guild group is usually me (Guard), pally, swashy, fury, wiz, and another DPS (ranger, war, 2nd wiz). I dont tank anymore since the pally is better geared and higher lvl. My problem is that I feel like I am just taking up a spot that could be used for more DPS but since I am the guild leader I get the invite. Oh well my Bruiser is coming up fast!!!

[mastersard]

<DIV>I feel your pain, Kain.  We either get the pity spot and are cheerleaders for the group, or we roll alts, or we harvest.  Really sad.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree with the OP.  I'd add a few things:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Lower/remove taunt resist, or change 100% resist to 1/2 effect on resist.</DIV> <DIV>2) Remove damage from Tower of Stone.</DIV> <DIV>3) Balance our offensive stance vs other fighter classes.</DIV> <DIV>4) Give me something to do when not tanking!</DIV> <DIV>5) Re-think the negative effects on some of our abilities.</DIV>

[craized warrior]

to be honest can anyone actually give me an example of where a negative effect is actually needed? why did soe feel the need to penalise us with all these negative effects, does it make the game more challenging? i dont think so myself, it just makes things a little more annoying.

[RafaelSmith]

<span><blockquote><hr>craized warrior wrote:<div></div>to be honest can anyone actually give me an example of where a negative effect is actually needed? why did soe feel the need to penalise us with all these negative effects, does it make the game more challenging? i dont think so myself, it just makes things a little more annoying.<hr></blockquote>Ive often asked myself this question..I mean take something simeple like Def -vs- Off stance....Def stance should increease our ability to take dmg and do nothing to our "baseline" DPS....Off stance should increase our ability to put out DMG but leave our defense "baseline".  Guardains are in one of those stances 100% of the time...its not like our unstanced DEF or unstanced OFF is overpowering.   Ide bet the same is true for the other fighter stances...take away all the negatives...will just make things a little less annoying and a tiny tiny bit more fun Our DPS is pitiful as it is...do we really need a millions different ways to lower it even more? And the more annoying ones like being snared just shy of beingn rooted, being rooted contribute nothing to challenge or balance just make things annoying to deal with. Shields taking DMG...How does that provide challage...how does that in anyway have anything to do with balance against the other fighters....there a billion other ways to take money out of the game...why does one class get to be the only ones to have one of their skills be yet another moneysink? </span><div></div>