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Ucala
10-29-2014, 03:25 AM
Temporal Mimicry now copies the damage inflicted by the target. It uses the target's damage values directly so it cannot critically apply or use potency since it's getting those stats from the target. It no longer recasts the spells.<br /> <br />that sounds like a fairly bad nerf. but guess I will wait to test it

Chronus
10-29-2014, 06:20 AM
I'm not entirely sure of the numbers it was putting up before but surely putting it on an Assassin during an FFU chain or a sorcerer with temps up would still yield very good results?

Braiz
10-29-2014, 07:39 AM
is this change on beta already ? because my mimic still seem to crit and do good damages. but in dont have to do more tests before work.

Ucala
10-29-2014, 07:47 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Braiz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Braiz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6121680#post-6121680" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">is this change on beta already ? because my mimic still seem to crit and do good damages. but in dont have to do more tests before work.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>no it will be on beta tomorrow. <br /><div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Chronus"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Chronus said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6121670#post-6121670" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">I'm not entirely sure of the numbers it was putting up before but surely putting it on an Assassin during an FFU chain or a sorcerer with temps up would still yield very good results?</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>where it stands I am fairly sure that the assassins FFU never trigged, it might now. but the timing for that would be uncanny.

Braiz
10-29-2014, 06:17 PM
the new mimicry have 1s duration, is that intended ? while the new mecanic is pretty interresting i hope it's 10s duration not 1.<br /> <br />the new mimic make you instantly copy any damages at 100% including auto, i'll run some class tests soon to see if you can mimic some good stuff from t1.

Xelgad
10-29-2014, 06:41 PM
One second duration is a bug our tool causes periodically. I'll get it fixed.<br /> <br />As far as the damage goes, it should be <b>noticeably more effective</b> than it was before (once the duration is fixed.)

Ucala
10-29-2014, 06:47 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Braiz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Braiz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6121880#post-6121880" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">the new mimicry have 1s duration, is that intended ? while the new mecanic is pretty interresting i hope it's 10s duration not 1.<br /> <br />the new mimic make you instantly copy any damages at 100% including auto, i'll run some class tests soon to see if you can mimic some good stuff from t1.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>yea the 1s duration is probably a bug, I was messing with it some today and it didn't even do anything cause it wasn't up long enough <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" />

Braiz
10-29-2014, 06:54 PM
from what i see we cant mimic blinding shock anymore, most of my AA abilities dont copy too. and it only seem to copy the initial hit on auto.

Kraeref
10-30-2014, 08:16 AM
That's sad. So neither PT nor AB will get mimiced. It means overall damage won't be that big. I need to test it too. I wonder if it will even be worth to cast.<br />Seriously? Are we chanters that much of OP that we need damage nerf instead of increase?

Ucala
10-30-2014, 08:25 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Braiz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Braiz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6121900#post-6121900" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">from what i see we cant mimic blinding shock anymore, most of my AA abilities dont copy too. and it only seem to copy the initial hit on auto.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>that could be just the 1s thing, I will wait until the duration is fixed to judge it

Braiz
10-31-2014, 10:52 PM
frozen stuff work 100%, fiery blast dont.<br />elemental blast work if you mimic the conjuror pet.<br />lifeburn still dont work.<br />anything on scout is garbage considering you cant mimic multi hits from auto.

Ucala
11-01-2014, 02:19 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Braiz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Braiz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6122820#post-6122820" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">frozen stuff work 100%, fiery blast dont.<br />elemental blast work if you mimic the conjuror pet.<br />lifeburn still dont work.<br />anything on scout is garbage considering you cant mimic multi hits from auto.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>it sounds basically the same as before, except that now it sucks if you mimic yourself since PT is messed up

Buffrat
11-01-2014, 03:08 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Braiz"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Braiz said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6122820#post-6122820" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">frozen stuff work 100%, fiery blast dont.<br />elemental blast work if you mimic the conjuror pet.<br />lifeburn still dont work.<br />anything on scout is garbage considering you cant mimic multi hits from auto.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />It copies combat arts with a 1.5x modifier compared to spells with a 1x modifier so since scouts will probably be gearing for potency this expansion anyway it won't be bad.

Braiz
11-01-2014, 08:30 AM
ok now the mimicry duration is fixed, it mimic any damaged included Bshock but unfortunately it wont mimic any multi hit, including auto sda or trauma extra hits. i need some guildies to log to see if the hit things **** up sorcerer AA spells.

Braiz
11-01-2014, 10:51 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Ucala"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Ucala said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6122887#post-6122887" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">it sounds basically the same as before, except that now it sucks if you mimic yourself since PT is messed up</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>the old never worked for EB or frozen rain, it's better to me now event if i'll miss the 4x shock.<br /> <br /><div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Buffrat"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Buffrat said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6122894#post-6122894" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">It copies combat arts with a 1.5x modifier compared to spells with a 1x modifier so since scouts will probably be gearing for potency this expansion anyway it won't be bad.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>i only tried some mecanical tests with beta buffed characters i didn't noticed the 1.5s mod. thanks for the tips brorat.<br /> <br />i read my log from yesterday and i have a 1x ratio on some ca and 1.5 on others, will have to run some tests with a sin to determinate what have 1.5 ratio on it.

Chronus
11-01-2014, 03:15 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Naneeje"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Naneeje said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6122944#post-6122944" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">Best thing is it's Raid or group friend, this is where it should be.<br />Multiple chanters can put it on one Wizard/Warlock/Necro/Conjie, and do really really well.<br />parses to prove it. Just ask your T1 Mage to give you a few second head start to get it in before they go through their rotation.</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>If Braiz is correct Conjie won't be great due to no elemental blast. Assuming all mages have everything up it looks like Warlock will be the best as their temps will be accounted in one way or another where as fiery last won't be counted.

Braiz
11-01-2014, 05:42 PM
i just tried with a sin friend, FFU and assasinate copy fine at 1 ratio.<br /> <br />yes chronus, to me the best bet will be a warlock, but from what i see now mimicry dont give a **** about sda except on EB where i mimic 20 hit anytime sda apply on pet. so it worth a try on single target.<br /> <br />oh and mimicry dont apply tic from dot, it only mimic initial hits.

Naneeje
11-01-2014, 08:15 PM
Best thing is it's Raid or group friend, this is where it should be.<br />Multiple chanters can put it on one Wizard/Warlock/Necro/Conjie, and do really really well.<br />parses to prove it. Just ask your T1 Mage to give you a few second head start to get it in before they go through their rotation.

Naneeje
11-01-2014, 09:30 PM
We tried Warlock and Wiz, and Wiz was by far greater than all other classes attempted.<br />Quickly recalling Eci's Frozen Wrath as the highest at 30m, (5 hits at 5-6mil in a row).

Ucala
11-01-2014, 09:35 PM
yea I would say wizzy is by far the best to do it on (as long as the wizzy knows his stuff).

Mogrim
11-01-2014, 10:45 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Ucala"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Ucala said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6123114#post-6123114" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">yea I would say <b>warlock</b> is by far the best to do it on (as long as the wizzy knows his stuff).</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>Fixed.<br />Why?<br />Assuming both the Wizard and Warlock are going into their WTFPWN temp rotation, there are two major downgrades for the wizard.<br />1) Fiery Blast will not count for you.<br />2) Wizard's stats will be much lower (Focused Casting)<br /> <br />Both classes will run their nukes. But a Warlock does more damage during their temp period, and... <span style="text-decoration: underline">more</span> of that damage will register for you.

arturos
11-02-2014, 05:54 AM
both classes were tested under raid conditions wizzy netted better numbers over the lock.

Mogrim
11-02-2014, 06:29 AM
Were the Warlock and Wizard equal skill? And equal gear? And both had a pulse?<br />Or was the Warlock a merc?

Naneeje
11-02-2014, 09:03 AM
I know you're a good Warlock Morgrim, and no it was not a merc.<br />Yes, they both had pulses,<br />but our Wiz and Warlock parse pretty close with the Wiz usually on top.<br />But... when you go back and check the parse?<br />Wiz numbers skyrocketed our Mimicry.<br />We had fights with it on the Warlock and it was not near as much.<br />30m on Wizard top hit,<br />18m on Warlock top hit. TIming? yes...<br />but hands down overall dps was much higher on the Wizard.

Braiz
11-02-2014, 09:39 AM
mimicry dont apply dots, that's probably why wiz > lock.

Mogrim
11-02-2014, 09:32 PM
Still shouldn't matter. In a hard spike Focused Casting/Fiery Blast rotation, the vast majority of the damage comes from the hits of the 180/150 increment nuke. Because a Warlock's nuke will hit massively harder, the only way a Wizard would beat them is if the Warlock's rotation was wrong, or gear was bad.

Naneeje
11-02-2014, 09:34 PM
Is it possible Morgrim that in Beta Wizards are possibly the better Sorcerer?

Buffrat
11-02-2014, 09:39 PM
If a Beastlord were in raid (lol) and they got their chain off (lol) a beastlord would probably be the best target. Otherwise, Warlocks on single targets, Wizards on aoe (which is, again, lol, given their original class roles).

Mogrim
11-02-2014, 11:35 PM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Buffrat"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Buffrat said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6123443#post-6123443" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">If a Beastlord were in raid (lol) and they got their chain off (lol) a beastlord would probably be the best target. Otherwise, Warlocks on single targets, Wizards on aoe (which is, again, lol, given their original class roles).</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div>You know somehow it wouldn't count the entire Beastlord chain. Cause every mechanic in the game is anti Beastlord.

arturos
11-03-2014, 05:22 PM
as for the lock having a pulse i am pretty sure she does. Although if you wanted to send her a tell and discuss her rotation and timing I would be willing to bet that she would welcome the chat. <br />I do know they fight like cats and dogs about the rotation lining up with tw and the like, other than that all i give two $%^#s about is riding them like a cheap mule on their big spells to push my dps up over the scouts.

Ucala
11-03-2014, 06:28 PM
It seems I will have 2 mimic's on my hotbar <br />first one would be to a wizzy/warlock (wizzy) that I will use to add Tws. but TW comes up faster then mimic I believe. so you would either hold TW off a bit or just add a mimic to yourself as well <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" /> from what I see mimic is still quite good on yourself in none TW cases

Bloodguts
11-04-2014, 03:32 AM
<div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeQuote" data-author="Ucala"> <aside> <div class="attribution type">Ucala said: <a href="index.php?goto/post&id=6123753#post-6123753" class="AttributionLink">↑</a> </div> <blockquote><span class="ae_quote_symbol">“</span><span class="ae_quote_content">It seems I will have 2 mimic's on my hotbar<br />first one would be to a wizzy/warlock (wizzy) that I will use to add Tws. but TW comes up faster then mimic I believe. so you would either hold TW off a bit or just add a mimic to yourself as well <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" /> from what I see mimic is still quite good on yourself in none TW cases</span><span class="ae_quote_symbol">”</span></blockquote> </aside></div> <br />or Mimic a scout!

Ucala
11-07-2014, 02:56 AM
a parse or so from a sub-par wizzy (he was dpsing literally like 10k more then me) with only like 15-30mil FBs.<br /><a href="http://s635.photobucket.com/user/CamToast/media/e.png.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu77/CamToast/e.png" class="bbCodeImage LbImage" alt="[IMG]" /></a><br /> <br />group dps was low no doubt. so all I can really draw is that temporal link is pretty dang nice in raid settings/raiders group that now how to dps (having to take off all my uplifting things sucked too since need the better resists on the crappy jewelry)

arturos
11-07-2014, 06:05 PM
Ya that was pretty dang weak to say the least. I think i get better results by mimicing myself..